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Pope resigns

No, it saw a loss of attendance when it performed various cover ups for child molestation.

No, those were also horrible, but the crisis precedes that.
 
Jesus also said that it matters not where one worships, or the manner in which one worships, so long as they do so in good faith. The very antithesis of organized, rigid, traditional catholicism.

Any evidence for such a statement?
 
It's doing remarkably well for a faith. I really have a hard time believing it will perish any time soon. I'm expecting many of the American variants of Christianity to expire long before Catholicism.

The Episcopalian Church is just about dead. They're either leaving the faith or becoming Catholic.
 
Anyone who's a Catholic or has followed the Catholic Church and its leadership knows that current social standards and mores have little impact on them - they are so buried in two millenia ago, not just one, and they are more concerned with bending people to their will than making even the slightest changes to their way of thinking.



It's their way or the highway.

Kind of like joining the USMC.
 
It's doing remarkably well for a faith. I really have a hard time believing it will perish any time soon. I'm expecting many of the American variants of Christianity to expire long before Catholicism.

Some of the cultish upstarts, sure. But as a creature, this idea that constantly re-inventing christianity...will live on long past Catholocism...I certain of it.
 
Some of the cultish upstarts, sure. But as a creature, this idea that constantly re-inventing christianity...will live on long past Catholocism...I certain of it.

But Catholicism has evolved since it started. It isn't a monolithic structure that has avoided change. Far from it. It's a matter of determining the right sort of change.
 
It's doing remarkably well for a faith. I really have a hard time believing it will perish any time soon. I'm expecting many of the American variants of Christianity to expire long before Catholicism.

Both Catholicism and Evangelicalism share the common trait that in the modern age most of their adherents are defacto atheists: They follow religious dogma when they can harm others and give themselves a free passgo card when said dogma gets in their own way...............
 
But Catholicism has evolved since it started. It isn't a monolithic structure that has avoided change. Far from it. It's a matter of determining the right sort of change.

The Mass has changed constantly and many extra-liturgical activities have developed in response to counter abuses and heresies.
 
No, those were also horrible, but the crisis precedes that.

It should be noted...if you took the total number of catholics, and the total number of alleged molestations, the percentage is low. It wasn't the acts, it was the NEWS coverage of the acts....that killed you guys. You think none of this happens within the other denominations? Absurd. Of course it does. It just doesn't get covered as heavily.


Tells you something right there, doesn't it?

As for the destruction of mass...i would argue that that has been going on since the very first one, when Jesus fed his followers with fish and bread.
 
It should be noted...if you took the total number of catholics, and the total number of alleged molestations, the percentage is low. It wasn't the acts, it was the NEWS coverage of the acts....that killed you guys. You think none of this happens within the other denominations? Absurd. Of course it does. It just doesn't get covered as heavily.

Tells you something right there, doesn't it?

Again, the crisis precedes the child abuse scandal.

As for the destruction of mass...i would argue that that has been going on since the very first one, when Jesus fed his followers with fish and bread.

What does this even mean?
 
I have great difficulty respecting much of anything about an organization that won't accept birth control, and will actively speak out against it's use in this day and age.

Then throw in the whole protect the pedophile priest thing and I'm completely out the door ....


"Id est quod est."



"Man has created God in his own image: intolerant, sexist, homophobic, and violent." ~ Marie
 
Both Catholicism and Evangelicalism share the common trait that in the modern age most of their adherents are defacto atheists: They follow religious dogma when they can harm others and give themselves a free passgo card when said dogma gets in their own way...............

That's a challenge for humanity. I don't know why you put that at the hands of either the Evangelical Protestants or the Catholics.
 
Any evidence for such a statement?

Read the book of Mathew. There are numerous verses I might quote, but really, it must be taken into account in it's entirety. One quote, though...

"I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.” Matthew 16:18

Out of context...like I said, you gotta take the entire thing, not little pieces....but the point is, Jesus thought of "his church" as being his people, followers...not a building, and CERTAINLY not a set of traditions. Only the belief, the faith, mattered. Again, the antithesis of Catholicism.
 
But Catholicism has evolved since it started. It isn't a monolithic structure that has avoided change. Far from it. It's a matter of determining the right sort of change.

That they are proving, more and more so, these days, to be incapable of doing.


Change is happening faster, and it's only going to get faster.
 
That they are proving, more and more so, these days, to be incapable of doing.


Change is happening faster, and it's only going to get faster.

20 years is a drop in the bucket.
 
Again, the crisis precedes the (recent) child abuse scandal.
Indeed.


What does this even mean?
The message has been lost, and it has been lost for QUITE some time now. Lost to dogma.
 
That's a challenge for humanity. I don't know why you put that at the hands of either the Evangelical Protestants or the Catholics.

If you want to widen the scope of who that applies to, more power to you. Outside of "motherhood", it's difficult to see any evidence of human life consisting of anything beyond just a raw struggle for existence............
 
While the current percentage of cardinals who are Italian is lower than it was in the past, there are still way too many Italian cardinals.

Italy, with about 53 million Catholics, has 50 cardinals - 22 are over 80 years old, so Italy has 28 votes. The USA, with about 74 million Catholics, has 19 cardinals, 8 are over 80 years old, so the USA has 11 votes. Italy has 2 1/2 times as many votes as the USA. How is that fair?

It looks to me like the Catholic church slows unreasonable favoritism towards Italy. Many other heavily Catholic countries also have a smaller number of cardinals than they should have, based on numbers of Catholics. Brazil, for example, has the largest number of Catholics of any country, 123 million, yet it has only 9 cardinals, 4 are over 80 years old.

I guess that the old men in dresses in Italy play the game the way that they want.

Not my problem since I am no longer a Catholic.



"Id est quod est."

Hm. Interesting. I wonder if something that might be considered is the Catholic influence in a country.
 
Read the book of Mathew. There are numerous verses I might quote, but really, it must be taken into account in it's entirety. One quote, though...

"I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.” Matthew 16:18

Out of context...like I said, you gotta take the entire thing, not little pieces....but the point is, Jesus thought of "his church" as being his people, followers...not a building, and CERTAINLY not a set of traditions. Only the belief, the faith, mattered. Again, the antithesis of Catholicism.

What Church can better claim to be following the lead of Peter than the Catholic Church who can actually trace her line of succession to Peter?
 
I refuse to call any man Dominus

Either you don't know the source of the phrase (translated means "the Lord is with you") which is a common phrase during the Mass or you're making some statement about Jesus. I can't tell which.
 
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My thoughts exactly. The investigative documentary recently released, Mea Maximus Culpa, has exposed that the pedophilia scandal cover-up leads right to his doorstep and pretty much stops there.

I wonder if this has anything to do with it.

I'm sad to admit that I think the same thing. Benedict has become something of a posterboy for the pedophile priest scandals of the 70's and 80's, and having a pope who is untainted by that legacy would be a good thing for the church.
 
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