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Pope resigns

Rainman05 said:
Somebody's been watching The Borgias. Relax, real life is not like that. Besides, Borgia was a special case, after all, he was jewish and infiltrated his way into the vatican using jewish support from italy and spain, and not a devout christian.
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I am not mentioning rodrigo Borgia for his religion, I am saying he was corrupt, he bribed his to becoming pope. Who is to say that still happens?

And it was not just rodrigo Borgia that was corrupt pontiff, there were also the two Medici popes.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
I am not mentioning rodrigo Borgia for his religion, I am saying he was corrupt, he bribed his to becoming pope. Who is to say that still happens?

And it was not just rodrigo Borgia that was corrupt pontiff, there were also the two Medici popes.
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Power always corrupts. Invariably, it has however done so less as technology progresses and people start embracing their civic duties more.
 
What I found most interesting was the claim that it is because of his writings, largely unnoticed by the wider world, that would be a key reason for his future impact.
 
Hopefully the next pope will have a less "raping kids is okay" position with regard to his priests.
 
Rainman05 said:
Power always corrupts. Invariably, it has however done so less as technology progresses and people start embracing their civic duties more.
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The laity aren't that important.
 
mak2 said:
Back when SNL was funny.
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I've never really watched SNL. I like Colbert, I'll watch his show every once in a while but that's pretty much it as far as comedy goes.
 
I think some people have picked up on an alternate reason for his resignation, which is having difficulty accepting rapidly changing social values. Many things that were taboo and unacceptable to Catholics and people in general are changing and I think it is a strain for older people, set in their ways to emotionally deal with. I believe his age and health could be factors but not the sole reason for his stepping down.
 
The other shoe I am waiting to drop is his involvement in the sex abuse stuff under his predecessor. I had the distinct impression he was John Paul II's cleaner which was why he got the job.
 
Dragonfly said:
Good.

Now let's see if the CC can get somebody in power who thinks more like a 21st century realist.

These ancient relics that are trying to hold on to centuries old tradition need to step aside and enjoy their old age.
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Don't count on it. The College of Cardinals are not exactly young turks, itching to change. American "liberalism", doesn't hold much sway in the scheme of things.
 
Gina said:
Don't count on it. The College of Cardinals are not exactly young turks, itching to change. American "liberalism", doesn't hold much sway in the scheme of things.
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I have little faith (pun intended) but I can always hope.

I won't be holding my breath though.
 
Dragonfly said:
Now let's see if the CC can get somebody in power who thinks more like a 21st century realist.
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Unlikely. Most of the current Cardinals were created by either John Paul II or Ratzinger (Benny the 16th).

I've never understood why popes always change their name. Benedict's name was Joseph. What would be so wrong with Pope Joseph?
 
I am not a Catholic but I am not under the impression the Pope yields much to political pressure of Catholics. He does, I beleive get his diretions from The Big Guy, so I am not sure how outside pressure would sway him.
grip said:
I think some people have picked up on an alternate reason for his resignation, which is having difficulty accepting rapidly changing social values. Many things that were taboo and unacceptable to Catholics and people in general are changing and I think it is a strain for older people, set in their ways to emotionally deal with. I believe his age and health could be factors but not the sole reason for his stepping down.
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grip said:
I think some people have picked up on an alternate reason for his resignation, which is having difficulty accepting rapidly changing social values. Many things that were taboo and unacceptable to Catholics and people in general are changing and I think it is a strain for older people, set in their ways to emotionally deal with. I believe his age and health could be factors but not the sole reason for his stepping down.
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Every serious person who takes up Tweeting is doomed.
 
mak2 said:
I am not a Catholic but I am not under the impression the Pope yields much to political pressure of Catholics. He does, I beleive get his diretions from The Big Guy, so I am not sure how outside pressure would sway him.
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He's human, regardless of where he gets his directions and so trying to keep a religion that's ways are becoming dated in the popular scheme of things creates a lot of pressure. I could be wrong but from some of his public announcements to the world and it's leaders to be more Christian sounded to me like someone losing their faith in the church a little.
 
Seems a little odd to me that a job description that involves being the Vicar of Christ on Earth has a resignation clause.
 
CanadaJohn said:
My apologies - I was only picking up on your humorous post.
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No prob, but I was really being serious. I think there have been more social standards changed in the past 10-20 yrs than the previous 50. It's part of the rapid growth, modernization and education of civilization and partially the loss of some old values from a lack of understanding.
 
grip said:
No prob, but I was really being serious. I think there have been more social standards changed in the past 10-20 yrs than the previous 50. It's part of the rapid growth, modernization and education of civilization and partially the loss of some old values from a lack of understanding.
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Anyone who's a Catholic or has followed the Catholic Church and its leadership knows that current social standards and mores have little impact on them - they are so buried in two millenia ago, not just one, and they are more concerned with bending people to their will than making even the slightest changes to their way of thinking.
 
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