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I'm sure some were...........

Greeks and Romans mostly, but nice try. St. Paul is known for preaching to the Gentiles. St. Thomas is known for preaching to Indians.
 
Right. But who tries to "convert" from their race ?...............That's heavy duty weirdness, like wiggerism...........................

What does this mean? These people converted before the definitive split from Judaism had occurred.
 
Greeks and Romans mostly, but nice try. St. Paul is known for preaching to the Gentiles. St. Thomas is known for preaching to Indians.

Right. And what kind of people abandon their own people's beliefs for that of another ?........................
 
Indulgences were NEVER as you described them in the history of the Catholic church.

Sorry to pop your bubble, but it happened. Try reading a history book, instead of replying on what your priest tells you.
 
Right. And what kind of people abandon their own people's beliefs for that of another ?........................

Those who converted to the truth of Jesus Christ. And apparently it was pretty attractive since nearly all of Europe was eventually converted.
 
Those who converted to the truth of Jesus Christ. And apparently it was pretty attractive since nearly all of Europe was eventually converted.

Ok. So you admit they were basically "racetraitors", but that doesn't matter to you because their new "leader" was the embodiment of truth----------------Do you know how hallucinogenic that appears ?...................
 
There's no verbiage that's going to satisfy those predisposed to hate the church. No amount of mea culpa, no dollar figure will be enough. Good thing that God is the one from whom forgiveness flows.

I have interacted with Shrub (on Politico) for a very long time, and while we disagree on too many things to count, I am pretty sure he is not "predisposed to hate" anyone.

I am an atheist, but I had been a Catholic during my formative years. I still have great respect for the institution, and outright admiration for some of its luminaries. I have a photo of John Paul II over my desk - and not just for the "shouvinistic", Polish reasons.

But we (Catholics and ex-Catholics) have to make an effort to understand the critics (and to ignore the shrillness).

Yes, the Church is nothing close to the venomous caricature some people are so eager to draw. But it is still a human organization.

I know, this topic is about as uncomfortable as it gets, for everyone - but:

Are most Catholic societies socially conservative, prone to pressure "sexual deviants" to hide themsleves? Yes, they are. The intellectual greenhouses like Krakow or Barcelona are not "typical", statistically speaking.

Does it mean that not just homosexuals, but all kinds of "deviants" - both morally sound and predatory - would be more likely to join the ranks of the officially celibate priesthood? Yes, it does.

Did the Church make every reasonable effort to protect the most innocent of the flock? No, it did not.

It does not invalidate, by any means, what St.Thomas Aquinas had to say, or what St. Francis of Assisi had to show. It really has very little to do with the intellectual body of Catholicism.

But it does pose some serious questions about the Institution that cannot be just shrugged off.
 
Oddly, the church decided hundreds of years earlier what was scriptural and nonheretical and what would be included and what would be excluded from the "Bible"....................

And the Catholic church decided to interpret those books in their own way.
 
And the Catholic church decided to interpret those books in their own way.

Correct. But if you've read the Bible, you're "hearing" alot about "love", but what you're seeing is pure, unadulaterated hatred.....................
 
Except for his views on papal authority and the Eucharist. Other than those two apparently teeny tiny issues, he was a conservative.

The Vatican did stray too far from what Luther interpreted from scripture and they basically declared war on Luther. And with the interpretation of the Eucharist was slightly different about the same difference as a Big Endian and a Little Endian that Johnathan Swift wrote about in Gulliver's Travels which was the parodying of the interpretation of the Eucharist between the Church of England and The Catholic Church.
 
You're ignorant of the Church if you think nothing has changed. Massive reforms have been instituted to prevent this from ever happening again.

As for AIDS and Africa, it would seem the best solution is monogamy rather than indiscriminate sex. Condoms aren't foolproof.



Don't bet your life on a condom.




"Condoms aren't completely safe. A friend of mine was wearing one and got hit by a bus.
" ~ Bob Rubin
 
Tradition that is not scripturally correct IS heretical.

I always got the impression from reading the Bible that it was written by human beings and not very physically attractive human beings ........................
 
I always got the impression from reading the Bible that it was written by human beings and not very physically attractive human beings ........................

I'm asking this question in all seriousness.... are you on drugs or drunk? I only ask this because your posts are only barely related to the actual discourse of the thread and sometimes... your replies just sound you aren't really on the same level as us. You know... like you're on a 'higher' level.
 
I'm guessing you tried to receive the Eucharist.

No... It was when I joined the military. Every one had to attend church. Since I didn't know if there was an Orthodox church on the base, I attended the Catholic Church. They locked the doors and made everyone confess. I had never confessed in my life. We were escorted to a room with multiple chairs and tables where multiple priest were taking confessions with only a screen divider on the table separating the priests from the soldiers.

A gray haired, bearded priest welcomed me, and in so many words said I could start confessing. I told him that I didn't have anything to confess. He looked at me through the screen, and said, "oh yes you do"... I knew that I wasn't getting out of there until I confessed something so, I said," well I do have one thing to confess ". He smiled, put his ear back to the screen, and I said," I'm Greek Orthodox, and I don't think I'm supposed to be here ". All of a sudden, his fist slammed on the table, he jumped to his feet, and yelled..." YOU'RE WHAT!!! ". As I tried to melt into the floor, he caught himself, and in a calmer voice said in so many words, that there was an Orthodox church 10 miles away, (mind you, it was over 100 degrees Texas heat. I thanked him, and crawled out the door. I've always wondered what the other soldiers thought... What in the world kind of heinous crime I could have done... But I'll never know.

There was a time, (and its still the case), that the Eastern Orthodox Church, and the Western Catholic Church didn't, and doesn't, get along. If you want to know the history of the conflict, it will take research, of not only church history, but history books as well. Even then, as with all conflicts, I doubt the causes could ever explain the reasons for the schism.

The main reason that I've been told was the demand of the Roman Catholic Churches demand that the Orthodox East agree to the Pope's Claim of infallibility.

When the demand was vehemently denied by Constantinople... All help against the Turkish Muslim's was denied by the Pope, and Constantinople fell. Without theological competition... The Vatican Cities power went unchallenged, until Martin Luther.
 
I'm asking this question in all seriousness.... are you on drugs or drunk? I only ask this because your posts are only barely related to the actual discourse of the thread and sometimes... your replies just sound you aren't really on the same level as us. You know... like you're on a 'higher' level.



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There's no verbiage that's going to satisfy those predisposed to hate the church. No amount of mea culpa, no dollar figure will be enough. Good thing that God is the one from whom forgiveness flows.



The men in dresses who rule the Catholic Church and covered up and let abuse happen need a lot of forgiveness for their many sins.

I vote that they don't get it.
 
I'm asking this question in all seriousness.... are you on drugs or drunk? I only ask this because your posts are only barely related to the actual discourse of the thread and sometimes... your replies just sound you aren't really on the same level as us. You know... like you're on a 'higher' level.

Trying to figure out who wrote the Babble, I mean, Bibble, I mean , Bible, is not being on a "higher" level. It's just natural curiousity about who wrote such absolute garbage........................
 
Correct. But if you've read the Bible, you're "hearing" alot about "love", but what you're seeing is pure, unadulaterated hatred.....................

I do not know what you are talking about, but KevinKohler did this post:


Listen, fact of the matter is, Catholics are "less catholic" because....Catholicism is failing to change with the times. That's reality. Leviticus? Gonna have to change, I'm sorry to say. Or be interpreted differently than it has been for the past thousand years or so. Job? Not jiving too well with today's parents. Noah's Ark? Peta has issues with any god that would kill so many animals, regardless of the issue. The old testament is just that...old and out dated. But it's the word of god, and therefor, infalible, which is the stance the Catholic church has taken, more so than the other judeo christian denominations. It's why Martin Luther left in the first place.

Notice the part that I bolded and then made red. KevinKohler implied that Martin Luther left the Catholic Church because it was too conservative; I pointed out that if anything Martin Luther was more conservative and accepted scripture as the basis of Christianity not Tradition or Papal assemblies or what not.
 
I always got the impression from reading the Bible that it was written by human beings and not very physically attractive human beings ........................

I suppose if you are a Jock you might think that way. Does it really matter what they looked like?
 
Most people are not aware of the Nicean Council stripping the Book of Gnostic writings, and of the Gospel of Mary, (thus women), which was also Gnostic.

As the Gnostic beliefs survived and prospered, the final solution of the Church was to massacre over 30,000 French Gnostics known as "Cathars", from the Greek word... Katharsis. At the same time, a slaughter of Templars throughout Europe, ensured that the Gnostics would have no protection against the Church.
 
I do not know what you are talking about, but KevinKohler did this post:




Notice the part that I bolded and then made red. KevinKohler implied that Martin Luther left the Catholic Church because it was too conservative; I pointed out that if anything Martin Luther was more conservative and accepted scripture as the basis of Christianity not Tradition or Papal assemblies or what not.

And I totally agree with you about Martin Luther. My "point" is why does anyone care about "God" ?...................
 
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