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Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

It is more questionable in the Kansas case where the sperm donor father has had no parental involvement for three years and none of the parties wanted him to and contracted that arrangement and now the Kansas state government is seeking support from him because the lesbian parents are seeking social assistance from the state.

That case was just facepalm worthy. The parties agree he is to have no involvement and even have a contract to support them, but for some reason the state forgot they are supposed to respect contracts and not just flat out ignore them. That case just proves once again donating sperm is just stupid. Some people like to say its different if you go through the proper channels, however, that hasn't proven itself to be true. The court can get people to pay child support that use such channels if they feel like doing it.
 
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That case was just facepalm worthy. The parties agree he is to have no involvement and even a contract to support them, but for some reason the state forgot they are supposed to respect contracts and not just flat out ignore them. That case just proves once again donating sperm is just stupid. Some people like to say its different if you go through the proper channels, however, that hasn't proven itself to be true. The court can get people to pay child support that use such channels if they feel like doing it.

I wonder what would happen if the sperm donor decided he wanted the child since he has to support it and the lesbian couple can't since they are seeking social assistance from the state? I'll bet the "father" would be screwed by the court in that scenario too.

Fathers have zero rights before the child pops out and all of the responsibilities once it does. There's something seriously wrong with that.
 
Fathers have zero rights before the child pops out and all of the responsibilities once it does. There's something seriously wrong with that.

Can't do anything about the former-- giving them rights before the kid's born means giving them control over the mother and that ain't right.

Where we need to be fixing things is the latter.
 
Of course the government made that choice and then people like yourself are deciding to use that as their argument. Don't be surprised if I don't respect it.

You know Henrin, there are all kinds of people in this world of ours, and in the end all we really have are those around us that love us, and are there to comfort us in our time of need. It is a sad state of affairs when a man decides that petty disagreements need extend to those whom have no part in the offenses that we hold grudges over. Each man makes his own choices in life, and to be blunt, what you respect, or don't respect is really in the end of no concern of mine, and neither would break my leg, nor pick my pocket, so I really have nothing to say other than I hope that your life is full. I can only speak to my situation on this earth, and what I do as a man, and I sleep well at night.
 
You know Henrin, there are all kinds of people in this world of ours, and in the end all we really have are those around us that love us, and are there to comfort us in our time of need. It is a sad state of affairs when a man decides that petty disagreements need extend to those whom have no part in the offenses that we hold grudges over.

Yes, some people are petty and sometimes they're actually standing for something you don't understand.

Each man makes his own choices in life, and to be blunt, what you respect, or don't respect is really in the end of no concern of mine, and neither would break my leg, nor pick my pocket, so I really have nothing to say other than I hope that your life is full. I can only speak to my situation on this earth, and what I do as a man, and I sleep well at night.

You see, telling me that the law is set up where the tax payers have to pick up the tab if guy doesn't is not an argument. Its just falling back on a system set up by the government and telling me I have to live with this because something else exists that the government also put in place. It doesn't defend anything nor it doesn't support anything, but it does do a whole lot of nothing.
 
Yes, some people are petty and sometimes they're actually standing for something you don't understand.


Sir, you don't know my life story. I actually have more understanding on the issue than you think. You really shouldn't make such declarative statements, it makes you look foolish.
 
Sir, you don't know my life story. I actually have more understanding on the issue than you think. You really shouldn't make such declarative statements, it makes you look foolish.

Sir, I don't need to know your life story to know you don't understand.
 
Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules | Canada | News | Toronto Sun

I have absolutely no sympathy for this man. Married for sixteen years, raising four children for over a decade-- and he demands a paternity test when he gets a divorce? I think about the message that sends his children and all I can think is "**** this guy". And I reject the notion that, again, after a decade of raising three children that he is anything but their real father.

Wow, the court is wrong in this case. Canada - you should hang your head in shame. Tsk tsk.

Force a man to pay child support for someone else's children? How on earth is that justifiable?
 
I agree with you, and with the court.

It's not the same thing, but my wife had three children with her first husband before I married her 18 years ago. I will always see them as my children, no matter what might happen in the future.

I can understand the guy being ticked off at his wife for cheating on him, but trying to punish her through the kids is certainly not fair to the kids.

Just because you do does not mean that he does. You can pay for whatever you want - why should the court force him to pay for someone else's kids??
 
Since he's raised the children as his I find it tacky that he'd try to get out of child support.

However the woman who allegedly admits to having slept around, and who believes the three girls all have different fathers....she's a piece of **** tramp. He'd likely have done differently if she'd been honest when the first child was born. Her lies created this situation, and I understand his reaction...even if I don't like it.

Why is it tacky? How many resources did he pour in to those kids that aren't even his to begin with? If anything, he should get that money back from that tramp. She should pay HIM.

I would do the exact same thing in his case.

You know who needs to pay child support for those kids? THE REAL FATHER.
 
Just because you do does not mean that he does. You can pay for whatever you want - why should the court force him to pay for someone else's kids??



Whatever.

The Canadian court has decided. If you don't like its decision you could hire some lawyers and try to join the case.

Up to you. Me, I think that the court made the right decision so I'm done with this.
 
Whatever.

The Canadian court has decided. If you don't like its decision you could hire some lawyers and try to join the case.

Up to you. Me, I think that the court made the right decision so I'm done with this.

Lucky for me, I don't live in Canada. I do, however, snub my nose at them for this ridiculousness.
 
Just because you do does not mean that he does. You can pay for whatever you want - why should the court force him to pay for someone else's kids??

Up until the divorce from what I understand, he was told that they were his, and he raised them for their entire lives as his children. Now, because he has been severely wronged by the mother, the children have to pay for that?

Now, you can argue that the government doesn't have the right to enforce such things like support, and that is a valid argument, but as someone whom I have known to in the past have always looked at issues with a measured eye, and who has a religious avatar for his presence in here, I would think that the right thing to do would not to focus the hurt and anger he is feeling for the mothers indiscretions, at the innocent children.
 
Please don't confuse the "right thing to do" with what a court orders. Legally if the children aren't his he has no obligation to them. He spent time raising children who aren't his. I think that fulfilled the "right thing to do".
 
Please don't confuse the "right thing to do" with what a court orders. Legally if the children aren't his he has no obligation to them. He spent time raising children who aren't his. I think that fulfilled the "right thing to do".

Well, thank goodness he is the one who has to face those girls asking him "Daddy, why don't you want us anymore?"

Also, think of this. With the mother in the wrong here, he invites the anger, and hurt from the girls, and they will perceive their mother as being the wronged one....So, good job Dad, you just made yourself the villain, and justified the girls defending what their mother did.

What a mess.
 
Up until the divorce from what I understand, he was told that they were his, and he raised them for their entire lives as his children. Now, because he has been severely wronged by the mother, the children have to pay for that?

Now, you can argue that the government doesn't have the right to enforce such things like support, and that is a valid argument, but as someone whom I have known to in the past have always looked at issues with a measured eye, and who has a religious avatar for his presence in here, I would think that the right thing to do would not to focus the hurt and anger he is feeling for the mothers indiscretions, at the innocent children.

The children shouldn't be punished for anything. They should receive child support: from the biological father/s.

This man who is not the father should get compensation from the mother for all the money and time he poured in to raising children that aren't his.

At the end of the day, this man is no more responsible for these children than you or I. Why should he be continually burdened?
 
Lucky for me, I don't live in Canada. I do, however, snub my nose at them for this ridiculousness.

It appears ridiculous if you don't know the facts of the case - knowing the facts, it might appear less so.

The more ridiculous case is the Kansas case where a sperm donor to a lesbian couple is now being sued by the state for child support for the 3 year old child because the lesbian couple has applied for social assistance from the state.
 
It appears ridiculous if you don't know the facts of the case - knowing the facts, it might appear less so.

The more ridiculous case is the Kansas case where a sperm donor to a lesbian couple is now being sued by the state for child support for the 3 year old child because the lesbian couple has applied for social assistance from the state.

No, this case (in Canada) is far more ridiculous.

Plus, the Kansas case will be dismissed anyway.
 
Well, thank goodness he is the one who has to face those girls asking him "Daddy, why don't you want us anymore?"
And the answer would simply be "well, your mother is a whore, and you should do your best to avoid becoming anything like her."
 
And the answer would simply be "well, your mother is a whore, and you should do your best to avoid becoming anything like her."

Oh, that will no doubt help the girls grow up to be well adjusted adults.

If this man really loves his daughters, and they are his daughters regardless of the double helix in their cells, then he won't reject them regardless of what their mother has done.

As for the Kansas case, aren't sperm donors supposed to be anonymous?
 
As for the Kansas case, aren't sperm donors supposed to be anonymous?

Yes, but that doesn't apply to the case in question nor does the state have to respect it when it does.
 
well, that settles it
what the hell does the judge know
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What a foolish message. Even the US Supreme Court often comes out with 5-4 decisions and trial court decisions are often overturned. Nor is it a legal question to the forum, but an ethical one. Ethically, I do not believe he should have to pay anything.
 
Oh, that will no doubt help the girls grow up to be well adjusted adults.

If this man really loves his daughters, and they are his daughters regardless of the double helix in their cells, then he won't reject them regardless of what their mother has done.

As for the Kansas case, aren't sperm donors supposed to be anonymous?

They are not his daughters.
 
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