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EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americans

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justabubba said:
if someone is involved with the enemy of my nation - regardless of their place of birth - they have become an enemy target
whether by drone or other military weapon

surprised so many of the reich wing are opposed to our military's eradicating enemy forces
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You think that's what's being discussed here? And something else, don't think that the drone will know you were an Obama voter and let you off. If anything, it'll be a conservative at the joystick zeroing on you.

Be careful what you ask for, you might get it.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Obama is just continuing a policy that Bush started and the right supported when Bush was in office. Now that a Dem is in charge, people seem to think differently.

Don't get me wrong, I don't support it, but I didn't support it under Bush either while many on the right did.
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I never supported Bush's tyrannical nonsense. When Bush signed the Patriot Act I knew that it was going to be abused and that it was nothing more than precedence for more tyrannical "legislation."

No one can blame Bush for any of this, I don't believe Bush's intent was nefarious, however it certainly was misguided because he opened the doors for tyrants like Obama to abuse it - and that was my concern since day one. Obama just want's to eradicate his dissenters in the United States, and dissenters of the progressive agenda entirely. Obama is creating precedence for a Stalinist totalitarian government.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
I never supported Bush's tyrannical nonsense. When Bush signed the Patriot Act I knew that it was going to be abused and that it was nothing more than precedence for more tyrannical "legislation."

No one can blame Bush for any of this, I don't believe Bush's intent was nefarious, however it certainly was misguided because he opened the doors for tyrants like Obama to abuse it - and that was my concern since day one. Obama just want's to eradicate his dissenters in the United States, and dissenters of the progressive agenda entirely. Obama is creating precedence for a Stalinist totalitarian government.
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That's a copout saying Bush's intentions were not for this sort of thing. His comment in regards to terrorism "You are either with us or against us" suggests otherwise. YOU yourself may not have supported what Bush did, but many on the right did. Obama is just continuing Bush's polcies.

As for tyrant, puuuhhhlease, you are posting on the internet against OBama without sercret service knocking on your door. Yeah, some tyrant. Come back when you know what a REAL tyrant is. Save your hyperbole for some idiot conservative that doesn't know how to tei their shoes. You can start with the RNC.
 
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TheNextEra said:
I remember the support from the right that Bush had in dealing with terrorists. Some of the words by conservatives were along the lines of "collateral damage happens in war" and "War is hell, civilians die". Where is that same support from the right with Obama continuing the policies that many on the right supported Bush on?
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Probably because Barrack Obama has a history of failed policies and is an inexperienced and unworthy President.
 
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justabubba said:
if someone is involved with the enemy of my nation - regardless of their
place of birth - they have become an enemy target
whether by drone or other military weapon

surprised so many of the reich wing are opposed to our military's eradicating enemy forces
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Wow, did you have that much trust in the Bush administration ?

All of the BS "war crimes" nonsense you libs went on and on about, all of the Halliburton nonsense, "blood for oil etc...

The nonsense over enhanced interogation.

NOW a lib President has justified killing Americans without due process, and your all for it.

Fantastic. You folks wanted to give due process to the 9/11 conspirators. Give enemy combatants Miranda Rights.

Could you guys be any more hypocritical ?
 
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TheNextEra said:
I remember the support from the right that Bush had in dealing with terrorists. Some of the words by conservatives were along the lines of "collateral damage happens in war" and "War is hell, civilians die". Where is that same support from the right with Obama continuing the policies that many on the right supported Bush on?
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I don't at all disagree with the use of drones in "war" in "war zones" and against troops or those who are attacking your forces or allied forces - most on the right share that view, regardless of who is President.

I'm not aware that the US or its allies are at war with Pakistan, but perhaps it's a silent/secret war that only the administration is aware of. Yemen is an entirely different story - America is definitely not at war with Yemen and a drone strike was used to kill an American citizen and his American citizen son. Since Obama and his Attorney General were spewing platitudes about providing detainees in Guantanamo with due process and access to American courts, it seems odd that these American citizens in Yemen, one an innocent child, didn't get due process or access to the courts, they got Presidential execution. You're okay with that?
 
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TheNextEra said:
No, they didn't take him in with the claim he had caused the attack on Benghazi. The guy violated his parole by making the film in the first place.
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Right! Is that why six armed and uniformed police (along with the media) came to his home in the middle of the night to arrest him? For going on the Internet and thereby violating parole?

Is the US President and Sec. of State now going to get involved in every parole violation??? That should be something to watch!
 
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Actually I think that is usually what happens when you break parole. Well maybe not the media.
Grant said:
Right! Is that why six armed and uniformed police (along with the media) came to his home in the middle of the night to arrest him? For going on the Internet and thereby violating parole?

Is the US President and Sec. of State now going to get involved in every parole violation??? That should be something to watch!
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CanadaJohn said:
I don't at all disagree with the use of drones in "war" in "war zones" and against troops or those who are attacking your forces or allied forces - most on the right share that view, regardless of who is President.

I'm not aware that the US or its allies are at war with Pakistan, but perhaps it's a silent/secret war that only the administration is aware of. Yemen is an entirely different story - America is definitely not at war with Yemen and a drone strike was used to kill an American citizen and his American citizen son. Since Obama and his Attorney General were spewing platitudes about providing detainees in Guantanamo with due process and access to American courts, it seems odd that these American citizens in Yemen, one an innocent child, didn't get due process or access to the courts, they got Presidential execution. You're okay with that?
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Nope, I'm not ok with that, but that is where Bush established his policies that have allowed this.

And actually Afghanistan wasn't a war zone until we made it one. You remember why we went there right? Because the Taliban were harboring Al-Qaeda. Pakistan basically did the same thing. So if you liked what Bush did, you are hypocritical if you are now complaining about what OBama is doing.
 
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Grant said:
Probably because Barrack Obama has a history of failed policies and is an inexperienced and unworthy President.
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So you are against anything Obama regardless of whether Bush did it and most righties supported it as well. Got it.
 
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TheNextEra said:
That's a copout saying Bush's intentions were not for this sort of thing. His comment in regards to terrorism "You are either with us or against us" suggests otherwise. YOU yourself may not have supported what Bush did, but many on the right did. Obama is just continuing Bush's polcies.
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What Bush actually said was ""Over time it's going to be important for nations to know they will be held accountable for inactivity," he said. "You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror."

Have you made up your mind yet?

As for tyrant, puuuhhhlease, you are posting on the internet against OBama without sercret service knocking on your door. Yeah, some tyrant. Come back when you know what a REAL tyrant is. Save your hyperbole for some idiot conservative that doesn't know how to tei their shoes. You can start with the RNC.
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It was certainly a tyrannical move by a government to send the police to someones home in the middle of the night and accuse him of causing the riot that killed four Americans. And if we look back on the threads concerning this matter we can see thew number of people who supported this action, and how the President and the Secretary of State openly lied.

Those who support this political party now in power will support anything, it seems, no matter how badly it effects the future of their country.
 
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TheNextEra said:
So you are against anything Obama regardless of whether your messiah Bush did it. Thank you for the clariifcation.
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In fact I never mentioned Bush.

I only pointed out what every fair minded and reasonable person knows. Barrack Obama is an incompetent president. If you can demonstrate otherwise, without mentioning any of his predecessors, I'd be pleased to read your response.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Nope, I'm not ok with that, but that is where Bush established his policies that have allowed this.

And actually Afghanistan wasn't a war zone until we made it one. You remember why we went there right? Because the Taliban were harboring Al-Qaeda. Pakistan basically did the same thing. So if you liked what Bush did, you are hypocritical if you are now complaining about what OBama is doing.
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Obama is attacking Afghanistan? Pakistan? Where is the connection?
 
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mak2 said:
Actually I think that is usually what happens when you break parole. Well maybe not the media.
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That is not what usually happens. And why were the media there?
 
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Grant said:
Obama is attacking Afghanistan? Pakistan? Where is the connection?
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Here I can't write it in crayon, so I'll just ask you. In what country was OBL found in?
 
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If you break parole the police show up in the middle of the night and arrest you. Ask my formerly drunken buddy.
Grant said:
That is not what usually happens. And why were the media there?
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Grant said:
That is not what usually happens. And why were the media there?
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Actually, yes, police DO come and arrest you for parole violation when they find out you violated your parole.

And the media is there, because people like you watch the news and secretly like that **** or you wouldn't watch it or support it.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Nope, I'm not ok with that, but that is where Bush established his policies that have allowed this.

And actually Afghanistan wasn't a war zone until we made it one. You remember why we went there right? Because the Taliban were harboring Al-Qaeda. Pakistan basically did the same thing. So if you liked what Bush did, you are hypocritical if you are now complaining about what OBama is doing.
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Sorry - that's just nonsense and I have no obligation to be judged by you're scewed view of reality.

Just as a bit of a history lesson for you - the Taliban were the quasi-government of Afghanistan at the time bin Laden launched the 9/11 attacks - the US, its allies, and the UN all told the Taliban to give up harbouring bin Laden or suffer the consequences of a UN sanctioned invasion of Afghanistan. Afghanistan chose to make their country a war zone and at worst the UN, led by the US, made it so.

Whether you agree with the effort or not, the US position vis-a-vis Pakistan as well as Yemen is that they are both countries who are working to eradicate terrorist factions from within their borders, unlike Afghanistan. If you don't understand the difference, I can't help you.

Finally, there is no equivalency between Bush using enhanced torture tactics against individuals captured during this war and Obama's murder of an American citizen and more importantly, the innocent American child of that American citizen.

You lessen the greatness of your country by trying to justify this in any way.
 
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The good news is that the memo at least restricts murdering American citizens to outside the United States. The bad news is that any "high level government official" can theoretically justify such an attack. Hopefully agricultural under-secretaries don't let the power get to their heads and go on a murder spree.

I just hope that someone in our political establishment stands up to this absurdity. The power to kill without oversight is the tool of tyrants and even the most partisan idiot should understand that sooner or later some guy you don't agree with will be sitting in the oval office with a flock of drones at his command.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Sorry - that's just nonsense and I have no obligation to be judged by you're scewed view of reality.

Just as a bit of a history lesson for you - the Taliban were the quasi-government of Afghanistan at the time bin Laden launched the 9/11 attacks - the US, its allies, and the UN all told the Taliban to give up harbouring bin Laden or suffer the consequences of a UN sanctioned invasion of Afghanistan. Afghanistan chose to make their country a war zone and at worst the UN, led by the US, made it so.

Whether you agree with the effort or not, the US position vis-a-vis Pakistan as well as Yemen is that they are both countries who are working to eradicate terrorist factions from within their borders, unlike Afghanistan. If you don't understand the difference, I can't help you.

Finally, there is no equivalency between Bush using enhanced torture tactics against individuals captured during this war and Obama's murder of an American citizen and more importantly, the innocent American child of that American citizen.

You lessen the greatness of your country by trying to justify this in any way.
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Sorry you don't like the facts. The fact that you are supportive of Bush, but not Obama when they are using the same tactic is dishonesring those that have died. The fact is the RIGHTIES were the ones telling us for YEARS during the Bush wars that casualties happen in war. Now all of a sudden they CARE about terrorists. Amazing.

The dishonor is yours and the intellectual dishonesty is yours. It's funny how a Republican president can do no wrong to some righties yet, they cry and whine about a Dem president that is doing the same thing. Sad, really pathetically sad.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Here I can't write it in crayon, so I'll just ask you. In what country was OBL found in?
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Oh okay. The intelligence community began the hunt for bin Laden and, following some judicious waterboarding, the intelligence community under Barrack Obama caught him. How does that relate to your earlier post?
 
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Grant said:
Oh okay. The intelligence community began the hunt for bin Laden and, following some judicious waterboarding, the intelligence community under Barrack Obama caught him. How does that relate to your earlier post?
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We go after terrorists REGARDLESS of what country they are in. Afghanistan wasn't a war torn country until we invaded them to get OBL. The only difference between Pakistan and Afhganistan is Pakistan didn't announce they were harboring him because they were smarter.

Its hilarious watching you righties complain about Obama doing what the majority of righties spent 6 years under Bush defending. Oh the hypocrisy.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Actually, yes, police DO come and arrest you for parole violation when they find out you violated your parole.

And the media is there, because people like you watch the news and secretly like that **** or you wouldn't watch it or support it.
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It's curious how the police discovered he was on the Internet and violating his parole. Do the police usually check the Internet, trace back user names, check to see if they have any criminal records, are on parole, etc. This was all normal procedure? Or is it possible that big government needed a patsy. I hope he gets some very good lawyers.

Why haven't we even heard more from this guy? He disappeared as quickly as the Benghazi survivors.
 
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Grant said:
It's curious how the police discovered he was on the Internet and violating his parole. Do the police usually check the Internet, trace back user names, check to see if they have any criminal records, are on parole, etc. This was all normal procedure? Or is it possible that big government needed a patsy. I hope he gets some very good lawyers.

Why haven't we even heard more from this guy? He disappeared as quickly as the Benghazi survivors.
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Does any of what you said justify the guy violating his parole? No, it doesn't. The simple fact is if he didn't violate his parole, he wouldn't have gone to jail.
 
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TheNextEra said:
We go after terrorists REGARDLESS of what country they are in.
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Right. That follows from what George Bush said shortly after 9/11.

Afghanistan wasn't a war torn country until we invaded them to get OBL.
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And remove the Taleban from power when they refused to give him up. Again this goes back to the George Bush speech, a small part of which you quoted.
The only difference between Pakistan and Afhganistan is Pakistan didn't announce they were harboring him because they were smarter.
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Or the intelligence was slower. But we can be grateful that water-boarding provided the breakthrough.

Its hilarious watching you righties complain about Obama doing what the majority of righties spent 6 years under Bush defending. Oh the hypocrisy.
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It might be even more hilarious if you pointed out a few of these defenses. Why not do it and share your hilarity?
 
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