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Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global [W:478]

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Boo Radley said:
Jr, your either one lying, or you can't read for comprehension. I don't know which, but :2wave:
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Projection?
 
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Boo Radley said:
Jr, your either one lying, or you can't read for comprehension. I don't know which, but :2wave:
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Joe, code is absolutely right. You first said it was science, then were asked to provide a link to a peer reviewed study or paper citing AGW as 'theory', so far you have provided,

your opinion
papers calling skeptics of the AGW religion, names
political rhetoric
and logical fallacies

none of which qualify as what you have been asked for day after day now for at least the last hundred pages. Your responses on this subject at this point are little more than worthless ad hom personal attacks, and you approach this subject like a true believer of a religion, and therefore go on with your beliefs, but don't expect to continue to be taken credibly on the issue anymore....You've blown it. :2wave:
 
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Boo Radley said:
Jr, your either one lying, or you can't read for comprehension. I don't know which, but :2wave:
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By the by, here's what one of your scientists has to say about AGW. Sounds a great deal like the folks on this board who are saying that there may be some impact by man, it's not much, the effort to change it is not worth while and it indicates a degree of arrogance beyond any reckoning by the non-agenda driven:

"I have no doubt that ... a trend of global warming exists. I am not sure that it is fair to say that it is a problem we must wrestle with. To assume that it is a problem is to assume that the state of Earth's climate today is the optimal climate, the best climate that we could have or ever have had and that we need to take steps to make sure that it doesn't change.

First of all, I don't think it's within the power of human beings to assure that the climate does not change, as millions of years of history have shown.

And second of all, I guess I would ask which human beings — where and when — are to be accorded the privilege of deciding that this particular climate that we have right here today, right now is the best climate for all other human beings. I think that's a rather arrogant position for people to take."

Michael Griffin, head of NASA as quoted by NPR.



NASA Chief Questions Urgency of Global Warming : NPR
 
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Really? You guys think peer reviewed papers don't cite AGW as a theory?

Try www.ipcc.ch There's one real long one referencing hundreds of others that say its a theory.

You're all embarrassing yourselves.
 
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code1211 said:
By the by, here's what one of your scientists has to say about AGW. Sounds a great deal like the folks on this board who are saying that there may be some impact by man, it's not much, the effort to change it is not worth while and it indicates a degree of arrogance beyond any reckoning by the non-agenda driven:

"I have no doubt that ... a trend of global warming exists. I am not sure that it is fair to say that it is a problem we must wrestle with. To assume that it is a problem is to assume that the state of Earth's climate today is the optimal climate, the best climate that we could have or ever have had and that we need to take steps to make sure that it doesn't change.

First of all, I don't think it's within the power of human beings to assure that the climate does not change, as millions of years of history have shown.

And second of all, I guess I would ask which human beings — where and when — are to be accorded the privilege of deciding that this particular climate that we have right here today, right now is the best climate for all other human beings. I think that's a rather arrogant position for people to take."

Michael Griffin, head of NASA as quoted by NPR.



NASA Chief Questions Urgency of Global Warming : NPR
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But, but, but....All the scientists have a consensus.....:lol:
 
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j-mac said:
But, but, but....All the scientists have a consensus.....:lol:
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Nobody ever said it was 100%, but you knew that already. And you said "all the scientists" anyway.

Isn't that dishonest? It seems dishonest.
 
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j-mac said:
Joe, code is absolutely right. You first said it was science, then were asked to provide a link to a peer reviewed study or paper citing AGW as 'theory', so far you have provided,

your opinion
papers calling skeptics of the AGW religion, names
political rhetoric
and logical fallacies

none of which qualify as what you have been asked for day after day now for at least the last hundred pages. Your responses on this subject at this point are little more than worthless ad hom personal attacks, and you approach this subject like a true believer of a religion, and therefore go on with your beliefs, but don't expect to continue to be taken credibly on the issue anymore....You've blown it. :2wave:
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That is so inaccurate that I can only assume you haven't read anything posted. I've given peer reviewed journals and a list of scientific (not political) organizations that accept that man plays a role in GW.

You continued to be factually challenged.
 
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j-mac said:
But, but, but....All the scientists have a consensus.....:lol:
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Somebody doesn't know the difference between facts and policies. But then that's generally true of conservatives. Tone deaf.
 
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I wasn't aware this was an American Idol thread...
 
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So the sun could affect the temperature of the Earth, huh?


Well, dayum, who'd a thunk it, Sherlock? :lamo



the UN apparently now has a stupefyingly firm grasp of the ****ing obvious.... but still wants to ignore it. :roll:
 
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j-mac said:
But, but, but....All the scientists have a consensus.....:lol:
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So, he says it exists. That same organization reported man plays a role. He says he's not sure we can get optimal temperatures. And you leap all the way to no consensus?

Still factually challenged. :lamo
 
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j-mac said:
But, but, but....All the scientists have a consensus.....:lol:
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From NASA:

A new paper has revisited the question of whether there’s a consensus among climate scientists about the reality of anthropogenic (human-caused) global warming (AGW). The study, by John Cook, of the University of Queensland’s Global Change Institute in Australia and the Skeptical Science site, and several co-authors, confirms that climate scientists have not only accepted the existence of global warming, but also its human causation, as a matter of fact for the last two decades.

Climate Change: Blog
 
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Threegoofs said:
Really? You guys think peer reviewed papers don't cite AGW as a theory?

Try IPCC - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change There's one real long one referencing hundreds of others that say its a theory.

You're all embarrassing yourselves.
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You're the one embarrassing yourself.

The IPCC is purely agenda driven, and pal reviewed. Not peer reviewed.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
You're the one embarrassing yourself.

The IPCC is purely agenda driven, and pal reviewed. Not peer reviewed.
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Actually, it is peer reviewed.

But thanks for playing.
 
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But why do you want to confuse things with the facts? Shame on you! (sarcasm)
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Ok, let me approach this from a different way....The UN report at the beginning of the thread said this....

"A leaked report by a United Nations’ group dedicated to climate studies says that heat from the sun may play a larger role than previously thought.“[Results] do suggest the possibility of a much larger impact of solar variations on the stratosphere than previously thought, and some studies have suggested that this may lead to significant regional impacts on climate.”

So it would seem that the UN, although not in total, is backing off their usual hyperbolic panic, at least within the group mentioned. So, I have a question for the proponents of AGW in here, and let's see if I can get a real answer rather than more personal attack.

To the believers that man plays a role in GW, what do you think will be done about it in the next 5, 10, 15 years respectively, and how will this effect the average persons life in terms of quality, cost, choice?
 
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Lord of Planar said:
Yep.

Stick people....
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Visual aid. Try to remember the point, NASA accepted and put this out. The same Group Code used and J salivated over.
 
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j-mac said:
Ok, let me approach this from a different way....The UN report at the beginning of the thread said this....

"A leaked report by a United Nations’ group dedicated to climate studies says that heat from the sun may play a larger role than previously thought.“[Results] do suggest the possibility of a much larger impact of solar variations on the stratosphere than previously thought, and some studies have suggested that this may lead to significant regional impacts on climate.”

So it would seem that the UN, although not in total, is backing off their usual hyperbolic panic, at least within the group mentioned. So, I have a question for the proponents of AGW in here, and let's see if I can get a real answer rather than more personal attack.

To the believers that man plays a role in GW, what do you think will be done about it in the next 5, 10, 15 years respectively, and how will this effect the average persons life in terms of quality, cost, choice?
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That would likely be a poor a reading on your part. But the point is, science will lead the way and just that you don't want it to be true.

As for what can be done, we could do nothing. We could lower our contribution. And all to lesser or greater degrees. But that is up to us. Regardless of what we decide to do or not do, the science is the science is still the science. That's the point.

Now it's fair to ask, do we act on BEST evidence or on our political position?
 
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Boo Radley said:
That would likely be a poor a reading on your part. But the point is, science will lead the way and just that you don't want it to be true.

As for what can be done, we could do nothing. We could lower our contribution. And all to lesser or greater degrees. But that is up to us. Regardless of what we decide to do or not do, the science is the science is still the science. That's the point.

Now it's fair to ask, do we act on BEST evidence or on our political position?
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This is a typical non answer...Can you even stick to what is written?
 
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Threegoofs said:
Actually, it is peer reviewed.

But thanks for playing.
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They use peer reviewed papers and grey material, then pal review their report.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

j-mac said:
This is a typical non answer...Can you even stick to what is written?
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J, I'm not sure you know what an answer is. Its a straightforward answer. I suspect you get in your head what you want to hear and assume anything that doesn't fit it isn't an answer. I'm often left wondering what the hell the problem is. Read it again and try to see the answer. Ask a follow up question if it's still unclear. But stop being silly.
 
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Boo Radley said:
J, I'm not sure you know what an answer is. Its a straightforward answer. I suspect you get in your head what you want to hear and assume anything that doesn't fit it isn't an answer. I'm often left wondering what the hell the problem is. Read it again and try to see the answer. Ask a follow up question if it's still unclear. But stop being silly.
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Either answer the questions I posed, or stop wasting my time with your childish crap....

Here, I'll repost the questions so you can read them slowly and maybe answer them.

...."what do you think will be done about it in the next 5, 10, 15 years respectively, and how will this effect the average persons life in terms of quality, cost, choice?"
 
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j-mac said:
Either answer the questions I posed, or stop wasting my time with your childish crap....

Here, I'll repost the questions so you can read them slowly and maybe answer them.

...."what do you think will be done about it in the next 5, 10, 15 years respectively, and how will this effect the average persons life in terms of quality, cost, choice?"
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I did answer that.

1) It has nothing to do with the science.

2) we can do nothing.

3) we can lessen out contribution.

And we can decide based on best evidence or political beliefs.

It's not really a 5, 10, or 15 year problem. It's long term, hundreds of years. No serious person expects any turn on a dime type approach, but just a commitment to plan based on BEST evidence.

So there is a clear answer there. Likely not the one you want. I suggest you stop anticipating what you want to here, and address the answer you get. Novel approach, granted, but give it a shot.
 
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