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Lord of Planar said:

How in hell do you expect to debate a topic when you just parrot other people? Seems like the actions of a troll to me.

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Using proper support isn't parroting. You've created this convoluted view to hide that you merely want to ignore the best evidence. I've supported my claims. You have not.

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code1211 said:

If they are so knowledgable, why are they continuously and consistently wrong?

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They're not. Seriously. You merely do a poor job of interpreting events.

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Lord of Planar said:

How in hell do you expect to debate a topic when you just parrot other people? Seems like the actions of a troll to me.

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Are you a climate scientist?

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Boo Radley said:

Using proper support isn't parroting. You've created this convoluted view to hide that you merely want to ignore the best evidence. I've supported my claims. You have not.

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But you aren't using it as support. You are using it as your argument. I post papers for support and explain what is happening. You don't. Your methodology appears to be to go to Realclimate, Skeptical Science, or some other site that has prepackaged links for an argument.

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Verax said:

Are you a climate scientist?

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No.

Does it take a bonafide climate scientist to understand the sciences involved?

Is science somehow different than other disciplines when it comes to the climate? Does science somehow magically change?

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Lord of Planar said:

But you aren't using it as support. You are using it as your argument. I post papers for support and explain what is happening. You don't. Your methodology appears to be to go to Realclimate, Skeptical Science, or some other site that has prepackaged links for an argument.

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No, I stated my argument clearly. The links support what I have argued. I don't need to pretend I know more than actual experts. But you should go back and read my actual claims.

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Boo Radley said:

No, I stated my argument clearly. The links support what I have argued. I don't need to pretend I know more than actual experts. But you should go back and read my actual claims.

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Believe as you wish.

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Lord of Planar said:

That's what really pisses me off. Too many people cannot make arguments in their own words or educated thoughts on the topic. It amazes me that people are so trusting of what other people say, when they cannot understand the reasons of their beliefs, other than "majority rules."

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Yeah, but some people do take the time to learn.

What I do find interesting about this is when a group normally that is on the side that climate change is a hoax funds research by a scientist that normally agrees with them but comes the conclusion it's real. Richard Muller basically got paid to support a political agenda but found the opposite.

Richard Muller, Koch brothers-funded scientist, declares global warming is real  - NY Daily News

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obvious Child said:

Yeah, but some people do take the time to learn.

What I do find interesting about this is when a group normally that is on the side that climate change is a hoax funds research by a scientist that normally agrees with them but comes the conclusion it's real. Richard Muller basically got paid to support a political agenda but found the opposite.

Richard Muller, Koch brothers-funded scientist, declares global warming is real* - NY Daily News

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I don't understand what all this commotion is about. Is this some important news announcement nobody knew? It only verifies what is already known...

Very few people deny that global warming is real, or even was. Did you bother to read, near the end:

"Global warming is real," he wrote in an editorial in the Wall Street Journal earlier this month.

"Perhaps our results will help cool this portion of the climate debate. How much of the warming is due to humans and what will be the likely effects? We made no independent assessment of that."

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And...

Misrepresenting it as a "Koch brothers funded" implies they funded it by themselves. What about this quote?

Now the scientist, who received part of his funding from a foundation funded by David and Charles Koch

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Any idea how much? It must not have been significant enough to say "most."

OK, nothing that disagrees with what I say, or most skeptics. What is so important about this?

This will be a better link for you to use next time:

The Conversion of a Climate-Change Skeptic

Here's your money quote:

Moreover, it appears likely that essentially all of this increase results from the human emission of greenhouse gases.

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Just bear in mind, that he also claims to have made no independent assessment of how much is AGW.

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Lord of Planar said:

No.

Does it take a bonafide climate scientist to understand the sciences involved?

Is science somehow different than other disciplines when it comes to the climate? Does science somehow magically change?

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:lamo

There's a saying. Intelligent people are usually full of doubt but idiots are **** sure.

It takes a pretty arrogant, smug person to declare that they are so brilliant that they not only know their own field well, they actually know other fields better than the professionals that encompass it. You must be a really smart guy right? You've got this all figured out and the climate scientists just aren't good enough at what they do to be on the same level as an outsider from another field, wowza.

Back when I was a kid I learned that intelligent / wise people are actually the most ignorant. This is because they know more about what they don't know, they understand how massive their lack of knowledge is. They learn that they are very small, insignificant minds that have a very large, complicated world to try and understand. Children and fools on the other hand, think they know it all. They think they've got everything figured out and everyone is SO stupid but them...

Do you think its remotely possible that you don't know everything you need to know about climate science to say they're all wrong and you've got the real science in your pocket? Is it probable that you're missing some important things that would bring you to radically different conclusions?

I mean really because if not, if you are teh superior scientist... we need to get you a website. I'll set it up for you. You can enlighten the world with your brilliant theorems and destroy the status quo. The energy industry will hire you as a multimillion dollar top pit bull that destroys teh greeny weenies.

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Verax said:

:lamo

There's a saying. Intelligent people are usually full of doubt but idiots are **** sure.

It takes a pretty arrogant, smug person to declare that they are so brilliant that they not only know their own field well, they actually know other fields better than the professionals that encompass it. You must be a really smart guy right? You've got this all figured out and the climate scientists just aren't good enough at what they do to be on the same level as an outsider from another field, wowza.

Back when I was a kid I learned that intelligent / wise people are actually the most ignorant. This is because they know more about what they don't know, they understand how massive their lack of knowledge is. They learn that they are very small, insignificant minds that have a very large, complicated world to try and understand. Children and fools on the other hand, think they know it all. They think they've got everything figured out and everyone is SO stupid but them...

Do you think its remotely possible that you don't know everything you need to know about climate science to say they're all wrong and you've got the real science in your pocket? Is it probable that you're missing some important things that would bring you to radically different conclusions?

I mean really because if not, if you are teh superior scientist... we need to get you a website. I'll set it up for you. You can enlighten the world with your brilliant theorems and destroy the status quo. The energy industry will hire you as a multimillion dollar top pit bull that destroys teh greeny weenies.

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yawn...

Rationalizing now...

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Lord of Planar said:

yawn...

Rationalizing now...

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But... but... but... you told Boo that he should shut up because he doesn't know science as well as you... I was going to say you should shut up because climate scientists know it better than you do... but you know better than them, I forgot.

I'm curious though... for somebody so brilliant. How is it that a computer guy with a basic college science education... was able to slay the mighty Lord of Planar? I mean if you're so brilliant... why was he able to corner you into a ridiculous position where you just pull ideas out of your ass as though its a viable scenario? Why is that? Why would you say the ocean decided to just spontaneously blow its load of Co2 for no good reason? When confronted with the harsh reality that there is not one iota of evidence of this happening you quipped "it happened so fast it went undetected". WOWZA. I must say this is top science. The fact that you came up with PURELY hypothetical reasoning based on NOTHING is certainly top dog science right? Or wait... that ISN'T science is it? Isn't the basic ideas of science that you draw conclusions from observations? You know, evidence? That you observe the natural world and look for clues? But nooo.... the brilliant Lord of Planar doesn't need to play by the rules of middle school science 101. He is far too brilliant to be restricted by such nonsense.

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Verax said:

But... but... but... you told Boo that he should shut up because he doesn't know science as well as you... I was going to say you should shut up because climate scientists know it better than you do... but you know better than them, I forgot.

I'm curious though... for somebody so brilliant. How is it that a computer guy with a basic college science education... was able to slay the mighty Lord of Planar? I mean if you're so brilliant... why was he able to corner you into a ridiculous position where you just pull ideas out of your ass as though its a viable scenario? Why is that? Why would you say the ocean decided to just spontaneously blow its load of Co2 for no good reason? When confronted with the harsh reality that there is not one iota of evidence of this happening you quipped "it happened so fast it went undetected". WOWZA. I must say this is top science. The fact that you came up with PURELY hypothetical reasoning based on NOTHING is certainly top dog science right? Or wait... that ISN'T science is it? Isn't the basic ideas of science that you draw conclusions from observations? You know, evidence? That you observe the natural world and look for clues? But nooo.... the brilliant Lord of Planar doesn't need to play by the rules of middle school science 101. He is far too brilliant to be restricted by such nonsense.

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Wow...

You still don't get it.

You haven't slayed a single thing I said.

Blowing it's load of CO2? How do you get that from my words?

Yes, hypothesis is based on observed changes.The challenge is showing proof of cause and effect, which has not yet been properly done to make the claim CO2 has as much warming as it is claimed to.

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Lord of Planar said:

You guys miss my point. Consensus does not prove a scientific view. Consensus cannot change scientific facts. Consensus is often wrong.

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Please let us know ONE other current scientific issue where the overwhelming consensus of science is wrong.

Just one. We can wait.

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Lord of Planar said:

Wow...

You still don't get it.

You haven't slayed a single thing I said.

Blowing it's load of CO2? How do you get that from my words?

Yes, hypothesis is based on observed changes.The challenge is showing proof of cause and effect, which has not yet been properly done to make the claim CO2 has as much warming as it is claimed to.

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Lord of Planar said:

Yes, and no.

If the temperature of the ocean/earth system was stable, the ocean would be absorbing 98% of the extra gasses put in the atmosphere. This means our contribution would be very small compared to what we see.

Since the ocean is warming, is all else were equal, it would be putting CO2 in the atmosphere if our emissions were zero. For all we know, we might see 400 pom without our contribution. The ocean might be maintaining the ratio it wants.

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from http://www.debatepolitics.com/environment-and-climate-issues/163112-co2-ppm-and-temperature-correlation-6.html

You just pulled it out of your ass for no reason other than "coulda". There is no coulda in science, you have to have reason and evidence or else its just a stoned teenager making animals out of the clouds, it means nothing. There is no maybe cuz why? You just make **** up as you go.

This is why I won't "debate" you. You're a bull****ter.

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Verax said:

from http://www.debatepolitics.com/environment-and-climate-issues/163112-co2-ppm-and-temperature-correlation-6.html

You just pulled it out of your ass for no reason other than "coulda". There is no coulda in science, you have to have reason and evidence or else its just a stoned teenager making animals out of the clouds, it means nothing. There is no maybe cuz why? You just make **** up as you go.

This is why I won't "debate" you. You're a bull****ter.

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Wow.

First off, that assessment was with the qualifier "if all else was equal."

How about telling the alarmist climate scientists there is no "could."

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Lord of Planar said:

Wow.

First off, that assessment was with the qualifier "if all else was equal."

How about telling the alarmist climate scientists there is no "could."

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I'm making a really big frowning face right now.

The qualifier doesn't matter, still you give ZERO reason for it to happen other than to prop up your argument that all the extra Co2 in the atmosphere is coming from the ocean... but again we come full circle as to WHY? Still you have never said a single thing about this.

What do you mean no "could" with climate scientists. I got to hand it to you, you have to be the most dishonest person on this site. There have been thousands of experiments, papers, works done by thousands of scientists all around the world but you chalk it up to "could" no different than your unfalsifiable "hypothesilly" you came up with. Its not even a ****ing hypothesis.

Its utterly ridiculous. All you do is prey upon people's ignorance while you trot out your bull****.

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Verax said:

I'm making a really big frowning face right now.

The qualifier doesn't matter, still you give ZERO reason for it to happen other than to prop up your argument that all the extra Co2 in the atmosphere is coming from the ocean... but again we come full circle as to WHY? Still you have never said a single thing about this.

What do you mean no "could" with climate scientists. I got to hand it to you, you have to be the most dishonest person on this site. There have been thousands of experiments, papers, works done by thousands of scientists all around the world but you chalk it up to "could" no different than your unfalsifiable "hypothesilly" you came up with. Its not even a ****ing hypothesis.

Its utterly ridiculous. All you do is prey upon people's ignorance while you trot out your bull****.

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It's pointless debating this with you since you fail to understand that temperature affects solubility of a gas in a liquid.

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Do you comprehend this graph:



A 0.5C change at water surface temperatures will make an approximate 2% change in how much CO2 the water can hold. Mixing with the volume of the ocean, minor temperature changes will make a large change in atmospheric CO2 since the ocean holds about 50 times more.

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Lord of Planar said:

I don't understand what all this commotion is about. Is this some important news announcement nobody knew? It only verifies what is already known...

Very few people deny that global warming is real, or even was. Did you bother to read, near the end:

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Uh, have you been paying attention to the GOP on climate change? They're denying anything is happening whatsoever.

Muller clearly makes a statement where he hedges his bets on what is the major cause, some natural occurrence on Earth or mankind, but that is a radical shift from his position that the Earth's climate isn't changing much quicker than before.

Misrepresenting it as a "Koch brothers funded" implies they funded it by themselves. What about this quote?

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$150,000 isn't something to sneeze at.

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obvious Child said:

Uh, have you been paying attention to the GOP on climate change? They're denying anything is happening whatsoever.

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Why should I pay attention to those fools?

obvious Child said:

Muller clearly makes a statement where he hedges his bets on what is the major cause, some natural occurrence on Earth or mankind, but that is a radical shift from his position that the Earth's climate isn't changing much quicker than before.

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So he learned he was wrong. So?

obvious Child said:

$150,000 isn't something to sneeze at.

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Is that the total or the Koch contribution? What percentage of the total was their contribution?

$150k is peanuts to them.

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Lord of Planar said:

It's pointless debating this with you since you fail to understand that temperature affects solubility of a gas in a liquid.

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LoL, yes Lordy just like in the other thread I'm well aware of this. Still does not explain your nonsense.

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Lord of Planar said:

Believe as you wish.

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Oh I do. The difference is I have actual support.

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Boo Radley said:

Oh I do. The difference is I have actual support.

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Ain't that the truth!

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Boo Radley said:

Oh I do. The difference is I have actual support.

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No, you have a narrative, cooked up by people with an agenda that you buy into without question. In other words, you have a religion in which you believe in.