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Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global [W:478]

Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

You guys miss my point. Consensus does not prove a scientific view. Consensus cannot change scientific facts. Consensus is often wrong.
 
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Boo Radley said:
We're not talking that every single scientist s perfect. We're looking at a solid majority, which includes the best and the brightest.
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Judging them only by the results they produce, it is difficult to believe that the best and the brightest are devoting themselves to this field of study.

Have you found any scientific organization in the world that has raised AGW Science to being a Scientific Theory?
 
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code1211 said:
Judging them only by the results they produce, it is difficult to believe that the best and the brightest are devoting themselves to this field of study.

Have you found any scientific organization in the world that has raised AGW Science to being a Scientific Theory?
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Seems to me they would laughed out of the scientific community if they did.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
Seems to me they would laughed out of the scientific community if they did.
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It occurred to me in the long exchange with Boo that the Diehards like to crow that this is often derided as only being a Theory like Evolution.

In truth, this is not a Theory and will never be a Theory. It's without foundation and does not meet even one of the criteria to be a Scientific Theory.

There is something causing the warming if we abandon the idea that things happen by magic, but the notion that CO2 is the prime driver of warming is silly.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

code1211 said:
Judging them only by the results they produce, it is difficult to believe that the best and the brightest are devoting themselves to this field of study.

Have you found any scientific organization in the world that has raised AGW Science to being a Scientific Theory?
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I've linked a few for you. You'd be hard pressed to find one such organization, legitimate organization, that didn't believe in GW and that man is playing a role in what we see today.
 
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Boo Radley said:
I've linked a few for you. You'd be hard pressed to find one such organization, legitimate organization, that didn't believe in GW and that man is playing a role in what we see today.
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That's just it.

We agree with your statement.

We believe in global warming and we believe mankind contributes.

Why do you all have such a binary thinking? Either for or against AGW?

We only say that the warming is more natural than anthropogenic.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
That's just it.

We agree with your statement.

We believe in global warming and we believe mankind contributes.

Why do you all have such a binary thinking? Either for or against AGW?

We only say that the warming is more natural than anthropogenic.
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More? Less? So?
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Boo Radley said:
I've linked a few for you. You'd be hard pressed to find one such organization, legitimate organization, that didn't believe in GW and that man is playing a role in what we see today.
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You have not linked to any such organization. It would be laughed out of the field.

The "scientists" all seem to say it's happening according to you and the other Diehards and yet there is not one scientific organization ont he planet that will recognize this notion as a Scientific Theory.

What does this tell you about their agenda vs. their evidence?
 
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code1211 said:
You have not linked to any such organization. It would be laughed out of the field.

The "scientists" all seem to say it's happening according to you and the other Diehards and yet there is not one scientific organization ont he planet that will recognize this notion as a Scientific Theory.

What does this tell you about their agenda vs. their evidence?
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Science has an agenda? Yeah, the truth.

Here's an overview:

National and international science academies and scientific societies have assessed current scientific opinion on climate change. These assessments are generally consistent with the conclusions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), summarized below:

Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as evidenced by increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, the widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global average sea level.[5]
Most of the global warming since the mid-20th century is very likely due to human activities

Scientific opinion on climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Statement on climate change from 18 scientific associations

"Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver." (2009)2

Climate Change: Consensus

• Is there a lack of scientific consensus about global warming? The views of global warming critics have attracted a fair amount of attention from politicians and the media, but we found little dispute in the scientific community, especially among climate specialists, on whether climate change is primarily caused by natural or man-made forces. We found a significant scientific consensus that human beings are contributing to global warming. So we rated the suggestion that there’s no scientific consensus False.

PolitiFact | A look back at our climate-change fact-checks

So, whats your agenda? :coffepap
 
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Boo Radley said:
Science has an agenda? Yeah, the truth.
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Science doesn't. Those who control the data and write the material can, and often do.


Boo Radley said:
Here's an overview:

National and international science academies and scientific societies have assessed current scientific opinion on climate change. These assessments are generally consistent with the conclusions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), summarized below:

Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as evidenced by increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, the widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global average sea level.[5]
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Very few scientists disagree with this.


Boo Radley said:
Most of the global warming since the mid-20th century is very likely due to human activities
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OK, so these scientific bodies agree that at least 50% of these changes are very likely (90%) to be caused my mankind. Consider the "what if" the training received on the topic isn't completely correct?


Boo Radley said:
Scientific opinion on climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Statement on climate change from 18 scientific associations

"Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver." (2009)2
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Well, wiki isn't the best reference to use you know. Here is the whole letter for everyone to consider:

Open Letter to Members of the Senate


Boo Radley said:
Climate Change: Consensus

• Is there a lack of scientific consensus about global warming? The views of global warming critics have attracted a fair amount of attention from politicians and the media, but we found little dispute in the scientific community, especially among climate specialists, on whether climate change is primarily caused by natural or man-made forces. We found a significant scientific consensus that human beings are contributing to global warming. So we rated the suggestion that there’s no scientific consensus False.
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Funny how they change form saying the consensus is that global warming is real to consensus that humans are contributing...


Boo Radley said:
PolitiFact | A look back at our climate-change fact-checks

So, whats your agenda? :coffepap
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Is that how you get spoon fed your fact? By what other sites say? Do you understand the sciences?
 
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Lord of Planar said:
Science doesn't. Those who control the data and write the material can, and often do.



Very few scientists disagree with this.



OK, so these scientific bodies agree that at least 50% of these changes are very likely (90%) to be caused my mankind. Consider the "what if" the training received on the topic isn't completely correct?



Well, wiki isn't the best reference to use you know. Here is the whole letter for everyone to consider:

Open Letter to Members of the Senate



Funny how they change form saying the consensus is that global warming is real to consensus that humans are contributing...



Is that how you get spoon fed your fact? By what other sites say? Do you understand the sciences?
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Wiki is a proper source, when used as I used it, only to give an overview. The other sources are completely valid.

And no one is misstating or misrepresenting the science about. You're just dancing.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Wiki is a proper source, when used as I used it, only to give an overview. The other sources are completely valid.

And no one is misstating or misrepresenting the science about. You're just dancing.
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Oh please. Really now. Maybe I just get tired of people responding who rely on what the so-called experts say, rather than being able to comprehend it themselves. If you really wanted to be more than a troll, you wouldn't take a few statements that we all have seen over the years debating this. Instead, you would find the source material like I did for you, and explain it's merit.

You're welcome for me finding that link for you.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
Oh please. Really now. Maybe I just get tired of people responding who rely on what the so-called experts say, rather than being able to comprehend it themselves. If you really wanted to be more than a troll, you wouldn't take a few statements that we all have seen over the years debating this. Instead, you would find the source material like I did for you, and explain it's merit.

You're welcome for me finding that link for you.
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That assumes you actual know what you say you know. I doubt you. It's easy for the novice to delude him or herself into thinking they covered it all. The first step towards wisdom is admitting you don't know. We can all be experts in everything, so decisions have to be made on best evidence. You just don't like that those who actually know this field disagree with you. Buck up. There are plenty of others who want to believe you. They'll ignore evidence as well. :coffeepap
 
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Boo Radley said:
That assumes you actual know what you say you know. I doubt you.
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Can you tell,me why I'm wrong without referring to what your teacher says? Take anything I have said, and show me with scientific reasoning, why I am wrong.


Boo Radley said:
It's easy for the novice to delude him or herself into thinking they covered it all. The first step towards wisdom is admitting you don't know.
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Absolutely. So why do you keep regurgitating other people's work without understanding what it really says?

That's why I seek the knowledge I don't know, unlike you true believers who have faith in what the AGW priests say.


Boo Radley said:
We can['t] all be experts in everything, so decisions have to be made on best evidence.
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I will assume my correction to your statement is correct, in that you meant "can't" rather than "can."

This is very true that we can't be experts on everything. I have been studying this agenda of global warming for almost 10 years. How about you? I understand the sciences and when I find a part of it I don't know, I learn it.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
Can you tell,me why I'm wrong without referring to what your teacher says? Take anything I have said, and show me with scientific reasoning, why I am wrong.



Absolutely. So why do you keep regurgitating other people's work without understanding what it really says?

That's why I seek the knowledge I don't know, unlike you true believers who have faith in what the AGW priests say.



I will assume my correction to your statement is correct, in that you meant "can't" rather than "can."

This is very true that we can't be experts on everything. I have been studying this agenda of global warming for almost 10 years. How about you? I understand the sciences and when I find a part of it I don't know, I learn it.
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It doesn't matter how I tell you are wrong, its that I tell you and support it. You're trying to get around the fact that scientist have addressed this and disagree with you. This is enough to refute you.

And when you say something asinine like that you've been studying the agenda, you make clear your prejudice and how it likely clouds your reasoning. You need to convolute the issue in order to convince yourself that you're right. But, we have scientist explaining it. Why would any rationale, non biased person want a novice explanation? It's that agenda thing again.
 
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Boo Radley said:
It doesn't matter how I tell you are wrong, its that I tell you and support it. You're trying to get around the fact that scientist have addressed this and disagree with you. This is enough to refute you.
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Your links do not support it. You don't even understand why they don't support. That is what is so damn annoying about you and others.


Boo Radley said:
And when you say something asinine like that you've been studying the agenda, you make clear your prejudice and how it likely clouds your reasoning.
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If what I concluded was AGW rules, I would take that position. My agenda is the truth.


Boo Radley said:
You need to convolute the issue in order to convince yourself that you're right. But, we have scientist explaining it. Why would any rationale, non biased person want a novice explanation? It's that agenda thing again.
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You don't even know my qualifications. Do you?

I show material not out there in the public view like the total effect of CO2 forcing rather than just net changes, for scale. You are and other warmers are completely silent anytime I show some good information, yet you maintain I am wrong.

Produce or shut up.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Lord of Planar said:
Your links do not support it. You don't even understand why they don't support. That is what is so damn annoying about you and others.



If what I concluded was AGW rules, I would take that position. My agenda is the truth.



You don't even know my qualifications. Do you?

I show material not out there in the public view like the total effect of CO2 forcing rather than just net changes, for scale. You are and other warmers are completely silent anytime I show some good information, yet you maintain I am wrong.

Produce or shut up.
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That's what you tell yourself so you can continue the illusion. Scientist don't know anything; only you know. I understand.

But, I'll go with the best evidence, and the best evidence comes from those who know. Not some internet self proclaimed genius. ;)
 
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Boo Radley said:
That's what you tell yourself so you can continue the illusion. Scientist don't know anything; only you know. I understand.

But, I'll go with the best evidence, and the best evidence comes from those who know. Not some internet self proclaimed genius. ;)
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How in hell do you expect to debate a topic when you just parrot other people? Seems like the actions of a troll to me.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Boo Radley said:
Science has an agenda? Yeah, the truth.

Here's an overview:

National and international science academies and scientific societies have assessed current scientific opinion on climate change. These assessments are generally consistent with the conclusions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), summarized below:

Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as evidenced by increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, the widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global average sea level.[5]
Most of the global warming since the mid-20th century is very likely due to human activities

Scientific opinion on climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Statement on climate change from 18 scientific associations

"Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver." (2009)2

Climate Change: Consensus

• Is there a lack of scientific consensus about global warming? The views of global warming critics have attracted a fair amount of attention from politicians and the media, but we found little dispute in the scientific community, especially among climate specialists, on whether climate change is primarily caused by natural or man-made forces. We found a significant scientific consensus that human beings are contributing to global warming. So we rated the suggestion that there’s no scientific consensus False.

PolitiFact | A look back at our climate-change fact-checks

So, whats your agenda? :coffepap
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What I'm looking for and what doesn't exist is the reclassification of the this imaginary thing as a Scientific Theory.

If that does not exist, then there must be some reason that has nothing to do with science or evidence that makes all of these folks agree so strongly.

Of course, the widespread agreement is also pretty much an illusion of the agenda driven political effort that is AGW Science.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Boo Radley said:
Wiki is a proper source, when used as I used it, only to give an overview. The other sources are completely valid.

And no one is misstating or misrepresenting the science about. You're just dancing.
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Not to be a nit picker here, but I asked for the scientific organizations that have reclassified this as a scientific theory and you replied with various off topic references that did not apply to the stated request.

With respect, you are the one who is dancing.

Have you located a scientific organization that has classified AGW as a scientific theory?
 
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Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Boo Radley said:
That assumes you actual know what you say you know. I doubt you. It's easy for the novice to delude him or herself into thinking they covered it all. The first step towards wisdom is admitting you don't know. We can all be experts in everything, so decisions have to be made on best evidence. You just don't like that those who actually know this field disagree with you. Buck up. There are plenty of others who want to believe you. They'll ignore evidence as well. :coffeepap
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It's nice to read that you are capable of doubt.

Why do you doubt Planar when he has shown you the basis for his thinking while you then mindlessly buy the baseless tripe of the AGW Diehards who are continuously wrong in everything they say?
 
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Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Boo Radley said:
It doesn't matter how I tell you are wrong, its that I tell you and support it. You're trying to get around the fact that scientist have addressed this and disagree with you. This is enough to refute you.

And when you say something asinine like that you've been studying the agenda, you make clear your prejudice and how it likely clouds your reasoning. You need to convolute the issue in order to convince yourself that you're right. But, we have scientist explaining it. Why would any rationale, non biased person want a novice explanation? It's that agenda thing again.
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If they are so knowledgable, why are they continuously and consistently wrong?
 
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Lord of Planar said:
How in hell do you expect to debate a topic when you just parrot other people? Seems like the actions of a troll to me.
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An Arabian Proverb:

"He who knows not and knows not he knows not is a fool. Shun Him.

He who knows not and knows he knows not is ignorant. Teach him.

He who knows and knows not he knows is asleep. Wake him.

He who knows and knows he knows is a leader. Follow him."
 
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Lord of Planar said:
How in hell do you expect to debate a topic when you just parrot other people? Seems like the actions of a troll to me.
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This would remove the vast majority of people from any debate on global climate change.

The number of actual scientists here is pretty low.

I do think however, that people shouldn't be expected to be taken seriously on this topic if they don't have a basic grasp of chemistry. Thus, I don't take most people seriously on this topic.
 
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obvious Child said:
This would remove the vast majority of people from any debate on global climate change.

The number of actual scientists here is pretty low.

I do think however, that people shouldn't be expected to be taken seriously on this topic if they don't have a basic grasp of chemistry. Thus, I don't take most people seriously on this topic.
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That's what really pisses me off. Too many people cannot make arguments in their own words or educated thoughts on the topic. It amazes me that people are so trusting of what other people say, when they cannot understand the reasons of their beliefs, other than "majority rules."
 
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