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Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global [W:478]

Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

No major scientific body in the world disagrees with the premise of AGW. Your antiscience paranoia is a regrettable side effect of your politics.



What makes this especially distressing is that not one of them can prove it and not one of them has raised it to the level of being a theory.

Do either of these points make you question your unflagging acceptance of this drivel?
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

False science was thrown up by both, often paid for by companies with an interest in clouding the issue.

BTW, one of my links covered this. :coffeepap



In this case though, the false science is provided by the AGW Diehards.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Well, I am glad you thought it was amusing....On the subject of so called Peer Review....It really means nothing as far as I understand it today.....

Let's use the AGW cult for example, we'll call the Scientists involved the "Priests", and the believers of AGW, "the flock", and the politicians involved in the AGW scam are "the Bishops" for the purposes of this exercise....

The priests want to get into a Journal with their paper espousing, and furthering the propaganda of the Bishop's pronouncements of AGW being real, and in need of catastrophic disaster if we the people don't let them have their way. So they write the propaganda, and submit it to other priests in the cult to look over and sign on to as being accurate so that the Journal will publish the article and give the Priest career prominence in their field....Some Journals actually charge a fee to do this...So, it can be a 'pay to play' system that has nothing to do with whether or not the actual topic is correct or not.

So, they write the article, get their friends to say 'oh yeah, they are correct', and in some cases pay the magazine to publish it, and in turn they do the same for their friends whom publish articles...



So, we have a flawed system that you are hanging your hat on here, known as "peer review", designed in a non political system to work, but as we know Climate Science has been politicized, and corrupted, making your academic exercise moot.



When Peer Review is politicized it isn't just broken, it is corrupt.

LOL...

I finally watched this. I love the end...

"I can just write for Scientific American."
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

What an asinine statement....There are to date some 31,487 Scientists against your supposed non skeptical consensus....Here are just the A's

Do I really have to show you again the list is BS. It's been debunked many times. Almost none of those scientist are actual signature. I've shown it, others have shown it, and despite those signatures saying, no we did not sign that, your side keeps posting it. And you wonder why I doubt you.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Well, this is exactly the same post again.

What can you offer as evidence of this particular claim?

Are you EVER going to make an assertion about AGW and support it with evidence?

I guess I didn't know that you and I have met and know each other, but, okay, what part of the description of myself is not accurate?

You saw none of the links I posted? Each supports my cliam.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

What an asinine statement....There are to date some 31,487 Scientists against your supposed non skeptical consensus....Here are just the A's

For you j: (one more time)

The 32,000 “leading” scientists — 9,000 saying they have Ph.D.s — come from a petition by the George C. Marshall Institute, an outfit funded by hundreds of thousands of dollars from Exxon-Mobil that has helped create uncertainty over scientific consensus on global warming. The petition came with a cover letter by Frederick Seitz, a scientist who received much money from the R.J. Reynolds cigarette company and helped to create uncertainty over medical consensus on the harms of tobacco smoke.

(Snip)

So what do actual climatologists think?

Kelly Redmond, regional climatologist at Reno’s Desert Research Institute, told Fact Checker, “There seems little doubt that the earth as a whole is warming, based on separate evidence from the surface, the lower atmosphere and from satellites.”

Asked if the main causes are human-related, he said, “Without invoking human-related influences, we are at a loss for mechanisms that can account for the observed warming.”

He is far from alone. Not a single scientific organization of national or international standing denies that global warming is taking place.

Peter T. Doran and Maggie Kendall Zimmerman from the University of Illinois-Chicago surveyed more than 3,000 world scientists, with more than 90 percent having Ph.D.s.
They found that the vast majority of scientists said the earth is warming and human activity is a significant factor in global temperature changes. Among scientists specializing in and publishing peer-reviewed research in the field of climatology, the rate of consensus was about 97 percent for both questions.

(Snip)
In another instance that came out in court documents, a fossil-fuel-industry group called the Global Climate Coalition asked its scientists about global warming caused by human activity and they reported back, “The scientific basis … is well established and cannot be denied.”

Not only that, its scientists concluded that those who were skeptical of global warming “do not offer convincing arguments.”

Despite this internal document — similar to actions by the tobacco industry — the fossil fuel industry continued to sow confusion about climate change, until the coalition disbanded in 2002.

http://www.rgj.com/article/20101228...bal-warming-Look-past-Fox-News?nclick_check=1

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kevin-grandia/the-30000-global-warming_b_243092.html
 
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Re: UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warming

Me too. Yeah, it really does.

I could for awhile, but this will be last. No, it really doesn't.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Do I really have to show you again the list is BS. It's been debunked many times. Almost none of those scientist are actual signature. I've shown it, others have shown it, and despite those signatures saying, no we did not sign that, your side keeps posting it. And you wonder why I doubt you.

LOL...

Not true.

There were a few names that made it on the list, and were later removed. These names that made it were probably warmists, who purposely corrupted the list.

Again, the list was corrected. they verified the names.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

You saw none of the links I posted? Each supports my cliam.



What is the particular claim that you think is supported?

You didn't respond to my response to a previous post.

I said that Anthropogenic Global Warming is not even a theory and you presented a canned response from some kind a how to talk to a denier blog. Your canned response addressed the idea that a denier might say that AGW is not reliable because it is only a theory. What I said is that it is not even a theory. Huge difference.

What is the canned response for this?
 
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LOL...

Not true.

There were a few names that made it on the list, and were later removed. These names that made it were probably warmists, who purposely corrupted the list.

Again, the list was corrected. they verified the names.

It was just one of their deceptions. More is listed in the links I provided. You guys just want to believe. :lamo:lamo:lamo
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

For you j: (one more time)

The 32,000 “leading” scientists — 9,000 saying they have Ph.D.s — come from a petition by the George C. Marshall Institute, an outfit funded by hundreds of thousands of dollars from Exxon-Mobil that has helped create uncertainty over scientific consensus on global warming. The petition came with a cover letter by Frederick Seitz, a scientist who received much money from the R.J. Reynolds cigarette company and helped to create uncertainty over medical consensus on the harms of tobacco smoke.

(Snip)

So what do actual climatologists think?

Kelly Redmond, regional climatologist at Reno’s Desert Research Institute, told Fact Checker, “There seems little doubt that the earth as a whole is warming, based on separate evidence from the surface, the lower atmosphere and from satellites.”

Asked if the main causes are human-related, he said, “Without invoking human-related influences, we are at a loss for mechanisms that can account for the observed warming.”

He is far from alone. Not a single scientific organization of national or international standing denies that global warming is taking place.

Peter T. Doran and Maggie Kendall Zimmerman from the University of Illinois-Chicago surveyed more than 3,000 world scientists, with more than 90 percent having Ph.D.s.
They found that the vast majority of scientists said the earth is warming and human activity is a significant factor in global temperature changes. Among scientists specializing in and publishing peer-reviewed research in the field of climatology, the rate of consensus was about 97 percent for both questions.

(Snip)
In another instance that came out in court documents, a fossil-fuel-industry group called the Global Climate Coalition asked its scientists about global warming caused by human activity and they reported back, “The scientific basis … is well established and cannot be denied.”

Not only that, its scientists concluded that those who were skeptical of global warming “do not offer convincing arguments.”

Despite this internal document — similar to actions by the tobacco industry — the fossil fuel industry continued to sow confusion about climate change, until the coalition disbanded in 2002.

http://www.rgj.com/article/20101228...bal-warming-Look-past-Fox-News?nclick_check=1

Kevin Grandia: The 30,000 Global Warming Petition Is Easily-Debunked Propaganda



These relate to the political argument.

Do you have the proof that the warming is Anthropogenic? What is the exact contribution to warming provided by CO2 emitted by man?

You will need to remember that of the entire atmosphere, GHG's comprise about 5%. Of all of the GHG's, CO2 comprises about 4%. Of all of the CO2 emitted from all sources, the contribution by man is about 3% each year.

What is the total warming from that 6 1000's of a percent of the atmosphere?

Here's a link that might help for calculations:

4. Carbon dioxide is already absorbing almost all it can « JoNova
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

What is the particular claim that you think is supported?

You didn't respond to my response to a previous post.

I said that Anthropogenic Global Warming is not even a theory and you presented a canned response from some kind a how to talk to a denier blog. Your canned response addressed the idea that a denier might say that AGW is not reliable because it is only a theory. What I said is that it is not even a theory. Huge difference.

What is the canned response for this?

I supported two things:

1) my claim that there is a huge and overwhelming consensus.

2) for you, that there is evidence. Giving you all they present, including one that broke it down into different bricks of the same house.

I also gave you a look at yourself. I've been busy. :lamo ;)
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

I supported two things:

1) my claim that there is a huge and overwhelming consensus.

2) for you, that there is evidence. Giving you all they present, including one that broke it down into different bricks of the same house.

I also gave you a look at yourself. I've been busy. :lamo ;)



You are busy. Why are so certain of things you cannot know?

Any opinion on why the experts that are so certain of the science have not been able to make this thing into a theory yet?
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

These relate to the political argument.

Do you have the proof that the warming is Anthropogenic? What is the exact contribution to warming provided by CO2 emitted by man?

You will need to remember that of the entire atmosphere, GHG's comprise about 5%. Of all of the GHG's, CO2 comprises about 4%. Of all of the CO2 emitted from all sources, the contribution by man is about 3% each year.

What is the total warming from that 6 1000's of a percent of the atmosphere?

Here's a link that might help for calculations:

4. Carbon dioxide is already absorbing almost all it can « JoNova

I've covered this before, and I really don't care to keep repeating links for you:

Causes of Climate Change | Climate Change | US EPA

http://www.livescience.com/37743-greenhouse-effect.html

http://www.columbia.edu/~vjd1/greenhouse.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect. (Over view link)
 
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You are busy. Why are so certain of things you cannot know?

Any opinion on why the experts that are so certain of the science have not been able to make this thing into a theory yet?

I use best evidence. It's really the way it should be when you're not an expert. Too many novices jump in and hook onto something they think sounds good, ignore all other evidence. I find that arrogant and foolhardy at best. And each time your side gets evidence to the contrary, you repeat the same silliness as if no one had seen it before or rebutted it. J will post that same error filled 32,000 claim again. Others will to. And it's a lie.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

I've covered this before, and I really don't care to keep repeating links for you:

Causes of Climate Change | Climate Change | US EPA




I scanned it quickly and did not see the staement on the diminishing effect of CO2 as the concentration of CO2 increases. Could you please cut and paste that for me.

I also missed the part where they cite the exact contribution made by CO2 to the overall warming.

Could you please cut and paste that also?

If you think you addressed the paper by Ms. Nova, you have fallen short of the mark. You are free to try again.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm




From your Wikipedia link:

"Greenhouse gases

Main article: Greenhouse gas
By their percentage contribution to the greenhouse effect on Earth the four major gases are:[21][22]
water vapor, 36–70%
carbon dioxide, 9–26%
methane, 4–9%
ozone, 3–7%
The major non-gas contributor to the Earth's greenhouse effect, clouds, also absorb and emit infrared radiation and thus have an effect on radiative properties of the atmosphere.[22]"

This says that CO2 may be as much as 26% of the total Green house gases.

All Greenhouse gases comprise about 5% of the atmosphere.

26% of 5% is 1.3% of the total atmosphere.

That is 13,000 ppm. This is higher than CO2 has been in about a billion years.

The actual concentration of CO2 is about 400 ppm; .0004% of the atmosphere.

Also, in the real world, water vapor comprises about 95% of all green house gases.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

I scanned it quickly and did not see the staement on the diminishing effect of CO2 as the concentration of CO2 increases. Could you please cut and paste that for me.

I also missed the part where they cite the exact contribution made by CO2 to the overall warming.

Could you please cut and paste that also?

If you think you addressed the paper by Ms. Nova, you have fallen short of the mark. You are free to try again.

Your question doesn't matter. What matters is how it works. If this was as flawed as you think, it would easily convince most scientist. It doesn't at all. So the flaw is likely in your understanding (this is why I included earlier the part about cherry picking parts for you).
 
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I use best evidence. It's really the way it should be when you're not an expert. Too many novices jump in and hook onto something they think sounds good, ignore all other evidence. I find that arrogant and foolhardy at best. And each time your side gets evidence to the contrary, you repeat the same silliness as if no one had seen it before or rebutted it. J will post that same error filled 32,000 claim again. Others will to. And it's a lie.



I'm not that interested in the popularity polls. I'm interested in what makes sense.

Any clues yet on why the vast certainty has not produced a ration of "Theory" for this notion?

Could it be that it does not meet even one of the criteria to be a Scientific Theory?
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

From your Wikipedia link:

"Greenhouse gases

Main article: Greenhouse gas
By their percentage contribution to the greenhouse effect on Earth the four major gases are:[21][22]
water vapor, 36–70%
carbon dioxide, 9–26%
methane, 4–9%
ozone, 3–7%
The major non-gas contributor to the Earth's greenhouse effect, clouds, also absorb and emit infrared radiation and thus have an effect on radiative properties of the atmosphere.[22]"

This says that CO2 may be as much as 26% of the total Green house gases.

All Greenhouse gases comprise about 5% of the atmosphere.

26% of 5% is 1.3% of the total atmosphere.

That is 13,000 ppm. This is higher than CO2 has been in about a billion years.

The actual concentration of CO2 is about 400 ppm; .0004% of the atmosphere.

Also, in the real world, water vapor comprises about 95% of all green house gases.

Again, that doesn't matter. Everyone knows that, but conclude that is enough to contribute to the increase. The flaw in thinking is with you.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

I'm not that interested in the popularity polls. I'm interested in what makes sense.

Any clues yet on why the vast certainty has not produced a ration of "Theory" for this notion?

Could it be that it does not meet even one of the criteria to be a Scientific Theory?

It's not popularity. That would be if we polled you. Its scientist who do the science. Not popularity. This too is a flaw in your thinking.
 
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