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Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global [W:478]

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Boo Radley said:
Again, the evidence is there for you.
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I have not found it and you cannot present it.

What makes you think it's there?
 
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Boo Radley said:
I've done that already, many times.
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You have not, but I would greatly appreciate you doing so.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Didn't say they did. But we have to rely in the best science, and not the outliners. And as there has always been an answer from the consensus to the outliners, there's no logical reason to accept the out liners. Now, I know you're impressed with your own brilliance, but you must accept that others may not be. And they seek to learn, not teach, and to them the consensus matters.
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The word is "outliers".

Definition of OUTLIER

1
: a person whose residence and place of business are at a distance
2
: something (as a geological feature) that is situated away from or classed differently from a main or related body
3
: a statistical observation that is markedly different in value from the others of the sample
 
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douglas said:
Agenda 21 is a completely voluntary action plan, we can pull out at anytime and it's completely non-binding. It's a PR stunt, not a law. Even if it was binding, when was the last time we actually did what the UN told us to do? What would they do to us, send us a mean letter?
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If they did, we would have to buy them the stationary.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Feel free. But note they are backed up by peer reviewed articles.

As for the rest of your post: :lamo:lamo:lamo:lamo
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Well, I am glad you thought it was amusing....On the subject of so called Peer Review....It really means nothing as far as I understand it today.....

Let's use the AGW cult for example, we'll call the Scientists involved the "Priests", and the believers of AGW, "the flock", and the politicians involved in the AGW scam are "the Bishops" for the purposes of this exercise....

The priests want to get into a Journal with their paper espousing, and furthering the propaganda of the Bishop's pronouncements of AGW being real, and in need of catastrophic disaster if we the people don't let them have their way. So they write the propaganda, and submit it to other priests in the cult to look over and sign on to as being accurate so that the Journal will publish the article and give the Priest career prominence in their field....Some Journals actually charge a fee to do this...So, it can be a 'pay to play' system that has nothing to do with whether or not the actual topic is correct or not.

So, they write the article, get their friends to say 'oh yeah, they are correct', and in some cases pay the magazine to publish it, and in turn they do the same for their friends whom publish articles...



So, we have a flawed system that you are hanging your hat on here, known as "peer review", designed in a non political system to work, but as we know Climate Science has been politicized, and corrupted, making your academic exercise moot.

Despite its importance as the ultimate gatekeeper of scientific publication and funding, peer review is known to engender bias, incompetence, excessive expense, ineffectiveness, and corruption.

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Investigation of the peer-review system has failed to provide validation for its use.

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Peer review is broken. It needs to be overhauled, not just tinkered with.

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When Peer Review is politicized it isn't just broken, it is corrupt.
 
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Damn those scientists and their evidence and ejumacashun!
 
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boo radley said:
no, that's want the word means, in the area of seven.
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bwhaaaaaa! :laughat: Are you kidding here? You think that 'several' means seven? OMG! :lol: What the hell do you teach?

Ahem....UM, Joe? "Several" means either separate, and or distinct, or more than two, but less than many....hahhahahahahahaha! OMG this is funny....:lamo

1sev·er·al adjective \ˈsev-rəl, ˈse-və-\

Definition of SEVERAL

1
a : separate or distinct from one another <federal union of the several states>
b (1) : individually owned or controlled : exclusive <a several fishery> — compare common (2) : of or relating separately to each individual involved <a several judgment>
c : being separate and distinctive : respective <specialists in their several fields>
2
a : more than one <several pleas>
b : more than two but fewer than many <moved several inches>
c chiefly dialect : being a great many
See several defined for English-language learners »
See several defined for kids »

Several - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
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Manc Skipper said:
Damn those scientists and their evidence and ejumacashun!
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When this is all said and done, the term "scientists" may be in question.
 
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code1211 said:
I have no idea what this might mean. it looks like something from Star Wars. Is the big black spot a "cool" place on the Sun?
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I blame George Bush.
 
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code1211 said:
I have no idea what this might mean. it looks like something from Star Wars. Is the big black spot a "cool" place on the Sun?
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It's a cool spot in the extreme UV range. The filter used for that is the EIT 284 filter. The EIT 284 filter sees the 28.4 nanometer spectral lines. Naturally, the yellow is a false color.
 
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j-mac said:
When this is all said and done, the term "scientists" may be in question.
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Did your preacher tell you that?
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Did your preacher tell you that?
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Funny religion comes in to play from one whose belief on this subject is totally religious.
 
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j-mac said:
Well, I am glad you thought it was amusing....On the subject of so called Peer Review....It really means nothing as far as I understand it today.....

Let's use the AGW cult for example, we'll call the Scientists involved the "Priests", and the believers of AGW, "the flock", and the politicians involved in the AGW scam are "the Bishops" for the purposes of this exercise....

The priests want to get into a Journal with their paper espousing, and furthering the propaganda of the Bishop's pronouncements of AGW being real, and in need of catastrophic disaster if we the people don't let them have their way. So they write the propaganda, and submit it to other priests in the cult to look over and sign on to as being accurate so that the Journal will publish the article and give the Priest career prominence in their field....Some Journals actually charge a fee to do this...So, it can be a 'pay to play' system that has nothing to do with whether or not the actual topic is correct or not.

So, they write the article, get their friends to say 'oh yeah, they are correct', and in some cases pay the magazine to publish it, and in turn they do the same for their friends whom publish articles...



So, we have a flawed system that you are hanging your hat on here, known as "peer review", designed in a non political system to work, but as we know Climate Science has been politicized, and corrupted, making your academic exercise moot.



When Peer Review is politicized it isn't just broken, it is corrupt.
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What is politicized is the denial effort. It's grounded in politics and not science. The science is just the science. Those not wanting to adhere to any consequences of the science prefer to muddy the water (remember the tobacco industry?).
 
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j-mac said:
bwhaaaaaa! :laughat: Are you kidding here? You think that 'several' means seven? OMG! :lol: What the hell do you teach?

Ahem....UM, Joe? "Several" means either separate, and or distinct, or more than two, but less than many....hahhahahahahahaha! OMG this is funny....:lamo
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Yep, read your definition. I didn't say seven. I said in that neighborhood, which would be "more than two but fewer than many."

Try to respond without being too snarky. ;)
 
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code1211 said:
If the models produce accurate predictions, they would be a good proof that the science was a good science.

The models are junk.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/CMIP5-73-models-vs-obs-20N-20S-MT-5-yr-means1.png
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You went kind of nuts since last I was on. You're sources, however, are seriously suspect. And you really don't dispute my claim. Understand, the area we can best effect is our role, so it makes sense to address it. And it is also true that there is really no draw back to the plant if we harm her less. The fact that you seem to be pro pollution is something I've always found odd. But the fact remains, those who know the field, those who study it, those who are best able to answer the question disagree with you. The best you can do is pull from outliners.
 
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Boo Radley said:
You went kind of nuts since last I was on. You're sources, however, are seriously suspect. And you really don't dispute my claim. Understand, the area we can best effect is our role, so it makes sense to address it. And it is also true that there is really no draw back to the plant if we harm her less. The fact that you seem to be pro pollution is something I've always found odd. But the fact remains, those who know the field, those who study it, those who are best able to answer the question disagree with you. The best you can do is pull from outliners.
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You may suspect them, but at least I make a statement and then produce the link to back that statement up. This is something I have yet to see you do. Why not pick out any of the predictions from any of the sources listed and then demonstrate that in truth that listed projection is not an accurate representation of what they actually predicted?

I am not pro pollution. In fact, just the opposite. Wherever possible, I conserve with the best of them for the reasons that are proven and can be demonstrated in the real world. It only makes sense to not crap where you eat.

However, ascribing to fantasies like AGW does nothing for the effort to conserve. Did you know that the Catalytic Converter converts more exhaust into CO2 than was emitted prior to the CC? CO2 is bad and will destroy the planet. Catalytic Converters are good and will save the planet. Catalytic Converters create more CO2. What's wrong with this picture? Why does the government mandate the use of the converters which increase CO2 and the government also demands the reduction of CO2?

The question of whether or not rising CO2 causes warming right now when it probably never has in the past few billion years around here is ludicrous and needs very specific and very definitive proof. In every example in the past, when the two are directly linked, CO2 rising has always been the effect of rising temperature, not the cause. There may have been three times in the geological record when it is likely that CO2 rose before Temperature rose, but, given the ongoing proven causality, those three or fewer examples may just have been a coincidence. In all cases, the CO2 reduced again fairly quickly and naturally.

Again, when the exceptions are this rare, ample proof is required to demonstrate the reverse causation.

I'm still waiting to see this presented. Whatcha got?
 
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Boo Radley said:
Yep, read your definition.
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Um, that would be Merriam-Webster who's definition it is....Just so we are accurate....

I didn't say seven.
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You most certainly did, or accurately, "in the neighborhood of" meaning up to, and including....

which would be "more than two but fewer than many."
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True, but it looked foolish....Most people consider "several" to be 3 as a general meaning...but this illustrates perfectly how you try so hard to use semantics to cover yourself. It really is a silly game you play often.

Try to respond without being too snarky.
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Implying that you know that it was funny for you to say that so you expect to be mocked somewhat...But that aside, you really need to lighten up Joe, if the roles were reversed, as they have been in the past when I have said foolish things without thinking, you have no problem being "snarky" with me, so why should it be any different coming your way?
 
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Boo Radley said:
What is politicized is the denial effort. It's grounded in politics and not science. The science is just the science. Those not wanting to adhere to any consequences of the science prefer to muddy the water (remember the tobacco industry?).
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What is this? the "I know you are, but what am I?" gambit? No Joe, AGW/Climate change cultists like Al Gore politicized this from the jump. It is the only way you are going to force people to comply.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

j-mac said:
Well, I am glad you thought it was amusing....On the subject of so called Peer Review....It really means nothing as far as I understand it today.....

Let's use the AGW cult for example, we'll call the Scientists involved the "Priests", and the believers of AGW, "the flock", and the politicians involved in the AGW scam are "the Bishops" for the purposes of this exercise....

The priests want to get into a Journal with their paper espousing, and furthering the propaganda of the Bishop's pronouncements of AGW being real, and in need of catastrophic disaster if we the people don't let them have their way. So they write the propaganda, and submit it to other priests in the cult to look over and sign on to as being accurate so that the Journal will publish the article and give the Priest career prominence in their field....Some Journals actually charge a fee to do this...So, it can be a 'pay to play' system that has nothing to do with whether or not the actual topic is correct or not.

So, they write the article, get their friends to say 'oh yeah, they are correct', and in some cases pay the magazine to publish it, and in turn they do the same for their friends whom publish articles...



So, we have a flawed system that you are hanging your hat on here, known as "peer review", designed in a non political system to work, but as we know Climate Science has been politicized, and corrupted, making your academic exercise moot.



When Peer Review is politicized it isn't just broken, it is corrupt.
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I love those "Hitler in the Bunker" send ups.
 
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Misterveritis said:
I blame George Bush.
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I'm not 100% sure that I understand the blaming roles in the Blame Game, but throughout his first term, the Big 0 blamed Bush who was in office during the previous term. In that way, the first term Obama was always off the hook.

I think you are supposed to blame the occupant of the White House in the previous term. Could be wrong, I suppose. I was just observing what was actually happening.

I think you're supposed to blame the first term Obama and let the second term Obama off the hook.
 
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Boo Radley said:
What is politicized is the denial effort. It's grounded in politics and not science. The science is just the science. Those not wanting to adhere to any consequences of the science prefer to muddy the water (remember the tobacco industry?).
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What are the parallels between the debate on Anthropogenic causation of Global Warming and the tobacco industry?
 
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