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Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global [W:478]

Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

j-mac said:
Well, surprise, surprise....Warming is caused by the sun.....Who'd have thunk it?.....:mrgreen:

So the question is, why would an international body like the UN be pushing so hard for man made climate change? The answer is in what few know about, called agenda 21.



So you all tell me. I know that those willing, or wanting to mask the "ends" that they are for will attack me for using the Blaze as a source for the secondary piece, but agenda 21 is there for all to read...

Agenda 21 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Read it, and do your own research, but this is probably the clearest sign that the UN is a dangerous to freedom, and needs to be dismantled.
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It would appear that your bus and your luggage have left the station. Who'd a thunk it? Go back and re-read the report. Sell your snowmobile!
 
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ocean515 said:
Sorry joke, I don't do trolls.

Keep fishing though, I'm sure you'll find something.
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Something tells me I won't have to wait long before you'll post another freaky conspiracy theory about scientists and Al Gore. I mean, what else do you got but that.

I'm still waiting for you to reveal that "evolution is only a theory" or something with powerful knownothing roots like that. You need to bump up your denialist game.
 
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DaveFagan said:
It would appear that your bus and your luggage have left the station. Who'd a thunk it? Go back and re-read the report. Sell your snowmobile!
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Appearances can be quite deceiving. :lol:
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

humbolt said:
obvious Child : "But we know that Co2 is correlated with increased temperatures through out many periods in Earth's history. Increasing Co2 isn't going to help.

Since the Industrial Revolution, mankind has added roughly a trillion cubic tons of Co2 to the atmosphere. I'd love to see an argument how that doesn't raise temperatures at all."................................But you don't know whether the increased Co2 is a result of something else or an original causal agent. The data on which you base your claim that increasing Co2 levels in the atmosphere is causing rising temperatures is very unreliable, and has been grossly manipulated as we have seen from the East Anglia debacle. What you are asking is that the entire planet significantly alter a way of life to address your unproven fears, because unless the entire planet reduces Co2 output, your solution will have no effect on the problem you claim exists. Prove your claim first. It's a simple, completely rational request.
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CO2 has different "signatures" according to scientists so the CO2 from buning fossil fuels is a bit different than the the CO2 emitted from the Thawing permafrost of Siberia. The resulting Greenhouse effect is the same from all flavors, though.

Think of it like smoke. You can smell the difference between burning weed, cigarettes, pipes, cigars, a bonfire or burning leaves. All of them make your clothes smell funny, but all of them are a little different.
 
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ocean515 said:
I'm assuming there can be only one "humbolt".

You, of course, are right on target. Humanity is being asked to fundementally change, based on findings that are proving highly controversial. In addition, developed nations, primarily the United States, are being asked to initiate the largest transfer of wealth in the history of mankind, to help mitigate the possible fallout from the "theory".

It should not be asking too much to provide non-controversial data before embarking on these actions.

Climate Change promoters do themselves a disservice when they refuse to acknowledge the massive conflicts of interest coming from the core groups promoting Climate Change. From Al Gore and his Generation Investment Management, poised to reap billions in profit from "Climate Change" initiatives, to so many other hypocrits in the "business", it seems there is much more to the "Change" agenda than people should be willing to tollerate. When otherwise starving scientists are richly rewarded to provide results that keep the grant dollars coming, the results can become highly poisoned.

Until these issues are addressed, the World's population should refuse to go along for their ride.
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The world's population has discovered that it can tax the rich.

The USA population has discovered the same thing.

The result is the same.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Lke creationism, the denier cultists kick up a spurious fuss, then "debate the controversy" NO Scientific body since 2007 has denied the fact of AGW.
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As with all of the notions proposed by the AGW supporters, they assert with statements of absolute certainty stated as sweeping generalizations, offer no supporting evidence and expect to be believed.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Manc Skipper said:
More hyperbole and science denial.
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Here's what some real, live scientists say about climate change during the holocene. They seem to think there have been dramatic climate changes relatively often during our little interglacial. When you rely on only the information available from the UN or the DNC, you get a warped picture of the state of the Science.

Examining the relationships between Holocene climate change, hydrology and human society in Ireland | Philip Stastney - Academia.edu
 
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head of joaquin said:
So now peer reviewed research is an interest group in which scientists all over the world are conspiring to promote, in order to get grants or socialism or something. Damn those scientists and their wiles.

If you only knew how lunatic you deniers sounded to normal people.
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The research refuting the assertion that the prime driver of Climate is CO2 is all around you. It's like cow poop in a pasture. If you haven't stepped in it yet, your being a little too careful. Maybe you should get out of the car and smell the Dairy Air.

Examining the relationships between Holocene climate change, hydrology and human society in Ireland | Philip Stastney - Academia.edu

Mid-Holocene climate variations revealed by high-resolution speleothem records from Soreq Cave, Israel and their correlation with cultural changes

climate change : Millennial and multimillennial variation -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

Holocene climatic optimum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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head of joaquin said:
I will as soon as you post some more conspiracy theory dreck. I love this stuff. It's why nobody but illiterate trailer trash takes deniers seriously.

Hey, did you hear that trees pollute? It's true!
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Wow! The Paula Jones defense. It's an oldie, but a goodie!
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

head of joaquin said:
Something tells me I won't have to wait long before you'll post another freaky conspiracy theory about scientists and Al Gore. I mean, what else do you got but that.

I'm still waiting for you to reveal that "evolution is only a theory" or something with powerful knownothing roots like that. You need to bump up your denialist game.
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Now I realize I should allow for lack of age and wisdom in your case, joke. I guess I should also allow for the fact that you can't read, and all you have is drool and invective spittle. But I do have a question.

Since you're on a debate wedsite, do you ever debate? Or is your constant Junior High Rub Out all you got?

Want to debate? Let's rock. Do you want to prove how immature you are? Sorry, not interested, go troll for someone else.
 
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code1211 said:
CO2 has different "signatures" according to scientists so the CO2 from buning fossil fuels is a bit different than the the CO2 emitted from the Thawing permafrost of Siberia. The resulting Greenhouse effect is the same from all flavors, though.

Think of it like smoke. You can smell the difference between burning weed, cigarettes, pipes, cigars, a bonfire or burning leaves. All of them make your clothes smell funny, but all of them are a little different.
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Thanks for the information. The result is the same regardless of the source. It would be helpful if scientists could offer unequivocal evidence that supports the theory they espouse. I understand that sets the bar pretty high for a theory, but considering the consequences of a full throated embrace of their theory, I think it's reasonable. If there wasn't this large element of skepticism from within the scientific community, those of us with limited understanding of such subjects might be a little more accommodating. Besides, I have an entire lifetime of "crisis events" looming as reported by our media and scientific community I can point to that have evaporated over a relatively short time.
 
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Bronson said:
Global Warming is a scam

Al Gore is laughing all the way to the bank
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I agree.

The fact that more scientists agree on global warming, than agree on the dangers of cigerette tells us one thing.

We should be attacking the old 'smoking is bad for your health' scam, too.
 
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rjay said:
I agree.

The fact that more scientists agree on global warming, than agree on the dangers of cigerette tells us one thing.

We should be attacking the old 'smoking is bad for your health' scam, too.
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Oh absolutely. I would not let the fact that 40 years ago scientists were in general agreement that we could be facing an immanent ice age deter my enthusiasm for their current solemn pronouncements.
 
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humbolt said:
Oh absolutely. I would not let the fact that 40 years ago scientists were in general agreement that we could be facing an immanent ice age deter my enthusiasm for their current solemn pronouncements.
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Yeah, but they were right about earth not being the center of the Universe, in spite all the scientific wisdom coming from the uneducated masses.
 
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humbolt said:
Oh absolutely. I would not let the fact that 40 years ago scientists were in general agreement that we could be facing an immanent ice age deter my enthusiasm for their current solemn pronouncements.
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Good morning, Humbolt.

Indeed!

Anything stated with absolute certainty means that we should start worrying right away,

and the opinions of the scientists who disagree by arguing that these are just normal cycles that the planet has gone through for millions of years should be completely ignored.

There's grant money to consider! :)
 
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rjay said:
Yeah, but they were right about earth not being the center of the Universe, in spite all the scientific wisdom coming from the uneducated masses.
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There was no "they". Copernicus challenged the scientific consensus at the time with irrefutable evidence. Even the Catholic church was forced to agree - no little thing at that time. Don't you think it's a little odd that the very groups who preach the virtues of an open mind are withholding the information required to make an informed judgement? That information would be the data in question and the computer models employed to analyze it. These two key elements are missing, and we're asked to simply accept the consensus of a portion of the scientific community or be labeled a nut for not acquiescing. I am neither a denier nor an endorser. I am waiting for the evidence to support the claimed consensus, and I intend to change nothing about my life unless and until that evidence is offered.
 
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code1211 said:
Here's what some real, live scientists say about climate change during the holocene. They seem to think there have been dramatic climate changes relatively often during our little interglacial. When you rely on only the information available from the UN or the DNC, you get a warped picture of the state of the Science.

Examining the relationships between Holocene climate change, hydrology and human society in Ireland | Philip Stastney - Academia.edu
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The water level in an Irish bog rose and fell four inches in only three thousand years! Climate science is obviously bunk.
 
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humbolt said:
There was no "they". Copernicus challenged the scientific consensus at the time with irrefutable evidence. Even the Catholic church was forced to agree - no little thing at that time. Don't you think it's a little odd that the very groups who preach the virtues of an open mind are withholding the information required to make an informed judgement? That information would be the data in question and the computer models employed to analyze it. These two key elements are missing, and we're asked to simply accept the consensus of a portion of the scientific community or be labeled a nut for not acquiescing. I am neither a denier nor an endorser. I am waiting for the evidence to support the claimed consensus, and I intend to change nothing about my life unless and until that evidence is offered.
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The evidence is out there in the individual papers for collection. Those you accuse had more to do than spend their entire careers acting as librarians to the ignorant, who were requesting the information as a harrassment tactic., taking them from their actual work.
 
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polgara said:
Good morning, Humbolt.

Indeed!

Anything stated with absolute certainty means that we should start worrying right away,

and the opinions of the scientists who disagree by arguing that these are just normal cycles that the planet has gone through for millions of years should be completely ignored.

There's grant money to consider! :)
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Good morning to you as well. I see Ocean was here. The global warming community is engaged in a sales campaign. Considering the consequences that they claim, no sales campaign would be necessary if the evidence supported their "consensus". Outside of the fact that on a celestial scale we are nothing, this planet is pretty big in strictly human terms. To say that we are influencing the climate of the entire planet requires some pretty significant proof. We are asked to accept their postulation based on the severity of the possible outcome, without the accompanying proof.What's even more ridiculous, these people expect us to accept their curative measures while simultaneously admitting that those measures offer no cure. I'd much rather they skip the hoopla, and start selling global warming insurance to the unwitting.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
The evidence is out there in the individual papers for collection. Those you accuse had more to do than spend their entire careers acting as librarians to the ignorant, who were requesting the information as a harrassment tactic., taking them from their actual work.
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Having read the purloined stuff from East Anglia, I believe certain outspoken members of that particular scientific community should confess their sins. It appears some of those folks spent significant portions of their careers adjusting data to suit an outcome, which is decidedly different than acting as a librarian. One would think that if the evidence exists, some enthusiast would have already collected and published the whole enchilada with much fanfare, given the gravity of the situation they claim.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Manc Skipper said:
The evidence is out there in the individual papers for collection. Those you accuse had more to do than spend their entire careers acting as librarians to the ignorant, who were requesting the information as a harrassment tactic., taking them from their actual work.
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Their actual work? Is it too much to expect that both sides might have logical arguments regarding their claims, and that they might be expected to produce data to support their claims? It's a little difficult to accept the findings of a group that claimed we were all going to freeze some years ago, but now claim we are likely to suffer from extreme heat instead. Did they purchase new computers?
 
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polgara said:
Their actual work? Is it too much to expect that both sides might have logical arguments regarding their claims, and that they might be expected to produce data to support their claims? It's a little difficult to accept the findings of a group that claimed we were all going to freeze some years ago, but now claim we are likely to suffer from extreme heat instead. Did they purchase new computers?
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Can you please post the IPCC's reports indicating that we were all going to freeze? A: no, because there was never any such report or conclusion by the IPCC, nor anything remotely like a consensus on global cooling.

What I would like to see is even one credible, peer-reviewed paper that explains how pumping gigatons of CO2 into the atmosphere could NOT result in warming. Or for that matter, even one credible paper that proposes an actual explanation for observed warming that does not cite GHG emissions as a major source.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

humbolt said:
Good morning to you as well. I see Ocean was here. The global warming community is engaged in a sales campaign. Considering the consequences that they claim, no sales campaign would be necessary if the evidence supported their "consensus". Outside of the fact that on a celestial scale we are nothing, this planet is pretty big in strictly human terms. To say that we are influencing the climate of the entire planet requires some pretty significant proof. We are asked to accept their postulation based on the severity of the possible outcome, without the accompanying proof.What's even more ridiculous, these people expect us to accept their curative measures while simultaneously admitting that those measures offer no cure. I'd much rather they skip the hoopla, and start selling global warming insurance to the unwitting.
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Agreed! The largest contributors to pollution are on the other side of the planet, but WE are expected to comply with what are merely scientific theories presented by a group with an agenda with no questions allowed? What's wrong with that picture?
 
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AdamT said:
Can you please post the IPCC's reports indicating that we were all going to freeze? A: no, because there was never any such report or conclusion by the IPCC, nor anything remotely like a consensus on global cooling.

What I would like to see is even one credible, peer-reviewed paper that explains how pumping gigatons of CO2 into the atmosphere could NOT result in warming. Or for that matter, even one credible paper that proposes an actual explanation for observed warming that does not cite GHG emissions as a major source.
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I have seen reports that solar activity is the main culprit, not CO2. Have we then a plan to regulate solar output?
 
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polgara said:
I have seen reports that solar activity is the main culprit, not CO2. Have we then a plan to regulate solar output?
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Okay, well, post these reports and let's see the scientific data to back up the claim. Because every report I've yet to see a credible report claim that solar activity can account for the warming trend.

To be clear, everyone acknowledges that solar warming is the primary component to temperature. The question is, has there been any change in solar activity commensurate with the warming we've seen over the last 40 or so years.
 
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