Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global [W:478]

code1211 · Feb 5, 2013

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TheNextEra said:
There is, you just don't accept ANY of it. Therefore your opinion is noted.

Please present the evidence you seem to think exists.

code1211 · Feb 5, 2013

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Mr.Nick said:
Of course I don't accept it because it's flawed data that is primarily based on a couple hundred years of climate data. That data (which most of it is fudged) paints a small picture with a broad brush. Lets also not forget these so called "climatologists" have been repeatedly caught manipulating data, lying and caught on tape arrogantly stating global warming is an agenda, not a concern.

So yeah, I'm not going to believe a bunch of liars who have an agenda and ignore the geological record - that would make me you if I did.

Not to nit pick, but the climate record in question is from 1880 forward. That's not quite 200 years.

code1211 · Feb 5, 2013

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donsutherland1 said:
The instrument record extends several hundred years. Paleoclimatic data e.g., from ice cores extends back much farther in time. For example, the Vostok ice cores provide temperature estimates from more than 400,000 years ago.

ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/icecore/antarctica/vostok/readme_petit1999.txt

The instrument record starts in about 1880 and is based on a very USA centric set of data since then. The Satellite record stats in about 1980 and that is where the reliable Global temperatures begin.

What you are talking about is proxy data and not instrument data.

Historical Station Distribution « Climate Audit

head of joaquin · Feb 5, 2013

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clownboy said:
Pot, kettle, black and yet again you offer nothing but biased and blindered comments.

WTF? I agree with climatologists. You agree with cranks.

You're the pot; I'm the audio version of the journal of climatology.

head of joaquin · Feb 5, 2013

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Mr.Nick said:
Climatology is useless. The only science that matters when putting the puzzle together is geology. A climatologist cant tell you what the weather (or climate) was like 5,000 or 500,000 years ago - a geologist can.

We have liftoff! Conservatives telling us science is worthless.

head of joaquin · Feb 5, 2013

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Mr.Nick said:
Minute maybe. No, not a large scale impact.

All it takes is a small volcano eruption to equal the "toxins" that man has contributed since the industrial revolution. How many volcano eruptions have occurred in the last 150 years? These global warming nuts may as well put their time and effort into attempting to stop volcanoes from erupting...

Nick, the climatologist speaks!

Manc Skipper · Feb 5, 2013

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Travis007 said:
cough... so becasue the Dinosaurs had no agenda... and basic common facts..they also call that history...
I also know the UNs agenda...

The conspiracy theory section is elsewhere.

Manc Skipper · Feb 5, 2013

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Travis007 said:
The UN ..what a sesspool.... get it out of my city...

The word you seek is cesspool, odd you don't feel at home.

head of joaquin · Feb 5, 2013

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Travis007 said:
The UN ..what a sesspool.... get it out of my city...

Another conservative meme: international organization that attempt to resolve conflict by negotiations and group action rather than war are bad, bad! Indeed they're "sesspools" Will wonders never sease?

donsutherland1 · Feb 5, 2013

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code1211 said:
The instrument record starts in about 1880 and is based on a very USA centric set of data since then. The Satellite record stats in about 1980 and that is where the reliable Global temperatures begin.

What you are talking about is proxy data and not instrument data.

Historical Station Distribution « Climate Audit

GISS begins in 1880. Thermometers existed farther back. Indeed, regular temperatures were recorded at New York City's Central Park beginning in 1869.

Yes, the ice core data is an example of proxy data. Proxy data provides insight into the temperature record from well before the instrument period.

Manc Skipper · Feb 5, 2013

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Royal Navy logbooks contain a daily record of a ship's position, speed, and weather conditions including temperatures etc. There are 100,000 of these extant from 1660 to 1850 from around the globe. That's a lot of data.

obvious Child · Feb 5, 2013

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Many people who reject climate change do so because of who is on the opposite side.

Many republicans in the past, including the last two presidential candidates accepted that man kind is at least partially to blame for climate change.

If Al Gore wasn't on the opposite side, I guarantee you a large number of antis would accept that man kind is partially to blame. The science isn't what they are against. It's the people. Look at the OP, he didn't even bother to read anything past the first page. Or even go to the original source. They don't give a **** about what the science says either way. It's all about getting back at people they dislike.

iguanaman · Feb 6, 2013

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clownboy said:
Not every issue falls into the silly left v right category of thinking you seemingly default to. I know a number of leftists who don't buy into the cult, just as I know a number of right-wingers who do.

I'm afraid there are none left on the right who will even admit to global warming at all. The Great "shift" to the Right has purged those thoughts from all Republicans. So your side IS pretty STUCK on denial...and the Koch Bros. moolah too.

j-mac · Feb 6, 2013

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head of joaquin said:
the climatologist speaks!

When climatologist's get my local weather forecast right from day to day, then maybe I'll give them some credence. Til then, you'd do best not to hang your hat on a group of people that have the same collective success rate as a man in a field holding their licked finger in the air and telling you it's going to rain today.

Travis007 · Feb 6, 2013

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head of joaquin said:
Another conservative meme: international organization that attempt to resolve conflict by negotiations and group action rather than war are bad, bad! Indeed they're "sesspools" Will wonders never sease?

UN is greatest detriment to mankind.. it props up tyrants and killers... any rational human is aware of that...

try EYEONUN...

longview · Feb 6, 2013

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obvious Child said:
Many people who reject climate change do so because of who is on the opposite side.

Many republicans in the past, including the last two presidential candidates accepted that man kind is at least partially to blame for climate change.

If Al Gore wasn't on the opposite side, I guarantee you a large number of antis would accept that man kind is partially to blame. The science isn't what they are against. It's the people. Look at the OP, he didn't even bother to read anything past the first page. Or even go to the original source. They don't give a **** about what the science says either way. It's all about getting back at people they dislike.

I am sure some of this does go on, politics do make strange bedfellows.
Like the Feminist groups silence about Bill Clinton's activities with White House employees.
Science and Politics do not go well together, very different methodologies.
My issues are not that Humans are not impacting the environment (we clearly are),
But that the link to Co2 has not been established in a Scientifically verifiable method.
A rise in Co2 alone would cause some warming, but the warming would not be enough to raise
alarms.
To achieve the predictions that raise alarms, it was necessary to add in a forcing factor.
The Physics mechanism of this forcing, is what has not been defined.
No one can test the theory, because the details of the theory are not defined.

code1211 · Feb 6, 2013

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donsutherland1 said:
GISS begins in 1880. Thermometers existed farther back. Indeed, regular temperatures were recorded at New York City's Central Park beginning in 1869.

Yes, the ice core data is an example of proxy data. Proxy data provides insight into the temperature record from well before the instrument period.

By their nature, proxies seem to smooth the climate changes vs instruments.

The calibration of each instrument is debatable and the consistancy of the recording is also debatable. The recording of temperature has always been very biased to the English speaking world.

Really, before satellites, the data is pretty well conjecture and estimates. Only a small percent of the globe is well represented.

Historical Station Distribution « Climate Audit

code1211 · Feb 6, 2013

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obvious Child said:
Many people who reject climate change do so because of who is on the opposite side.

Many republicans in the past, including the last two presidential candidates accepted that man kind is at least partially to blame for climate change.

If Al Gore wasn't on the opposite side, I guarantee you a large number of antis would accept that man kind is partially to blame. The science isn't what they are against. It's the people. Look at the OP, he didn't even bother to read anything past the first page. Or even go to the original source. They don't give a **** about what the science says either way. It's all about getting back at people they dislike.

"Partially to blame" and "able to direct the temperature of the climate through prudent action" are two very different statements.

code1211 · Feb 6, 2013

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iguanaman said:
I'm afraid there are none left on the right who will even admit to global warming at all. The Great "shift" to the Right has purged those thoughts from all Republicans. So your side IS pretty STUCK on denial...and the Koch Bros. moolah too.

Again, the issue politically is not whether or not it's warming. The issue is whether or not the cause is Anthropogenic CO2 and whether or not mankind can control the climate.

code1211 · Feb 6, 2013

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j-mac said:
When climatologist's get my local weather forecast right from day to day, then maybe I'll give them some credence. Til then, you'd do best not to hang your hat on a group of people that have the same collective success rate as a man in a field holding their licked finger in the air and telling you it's going to rain today.

I am astonished and impressed with the accuracy of the weather predictions.

I am equally unimpressed by the incompetence of the multi year predictions of the AGW Science proponents.

Μολὼν λαβέ · Feb 6, 2013

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Mr.Nick said:
We're currently in the middle of an ice age.

We are actually between ice ages.

Mr.Nick said:
There are multiple theories as to what ended the ice age(s).

I would be willing to bet one it isn't from driving SUVs with V8 engines.

obvious Child · Feb 6, 2013

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longview said:
I am sure some of this does go on, politics do make strange bedfellows.

This I think is the majority of it.

My issues are not that Humans are not impacting the environment (we clearly are),
But that the link to Co2 has not been established in a Scientifically verifiable method.
A rise in Co2 alone would cause some warming, but the warming would not be enough to raise
alarms.

Except that there are people out there who deny ENTIRELY that Co2 has any impact upon temperatures. There's no question there is more out there, such as methane and water vapor, but people are flat up denying that Co2 has any impact whatsoever.

To achieve the predictions that raise alarms, it was necessary to add in a forcing factor.
The Physics mechanism of this forcing, is what has not been defined.
No one can test the theory, because the details of the theory are not defined.

But we know that Co2 is correlated with increased temperatures through out many periods in Earth's history. Increasing Co2 isn't going to help.

Since the Industrial Revolution, mankind has added roughly a trillion cubic tons of Co2 to the atmosphere. I'd love to see an argument how that doesn't raise temperatures at all.

obvious Child · Feb 6, 2013

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code1211 said:
"Partially to blame" and "able to direct the temperature of the climate through prudent action" are two very different statements.

Releasing gasses like Co2, Methane and increasing water vapor raises temperatures. Period.

Therefore, reducing the releases will slow the increase in temperatures.

The answer is not do nothing, as your side wants merely because we lack data.

head of joaquin · Feb 6, 2013

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j-mac said:
When climatologist's get my local weather forecast right from day to day, then maybe I'll give them some credence. Til then, you'd do best not to hang your hat on a group of people that have the same collective success rate as a man in a field holding their licked finger in the air and telling you it's going to rain today.

Climate versus weather -- another concept conservatives just don't grasp.

head of joaquin · Feb 6, 2013

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Travis007 said:
UN is greatest detriment to mankind.. it props up tyrants and killers... any rational human is aware of that...

try EYEONUN...

I invoke Poe's Law on this one.

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