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Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

AdamT said:

I really hate to burst your bubble, but Svensmark really hasn't proven anything. Deniers have been flocking to cosmic rays for years as a last best hope to support their anti-global-warming religion, but there's really no there there. RealClimate: A review of cosmic rays and climate: a cluttered story of little success

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Keep up the denial. I think I'll side with the Royal Astronomical Society over RealClimate.

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From the Royal Astronomical Society::shock:

Did exploding stars help life on Earth to thrive?
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Research by a Danish physicist suggests that the explosion of massive stars – supernovae – near the Solar System has strongly influenced the development of life. Prof. Henrik Svensmark of the Technical University of Denmark (DTU) sets out his novel work in a paper in the journal Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.

Pleiades - smallAn image of the Pleiades (M45), a famous star cluster about 135 million years old. This age means that any massive stars in the cluster would have exploded as supernovae when ammonites were prominent in the sea. According to Henrik Svensmark, the rate of nearby supernovae strongly influenced the diversity of such marine invertebrates. Credit: NASA, ESA and AURA/CaltechWhen the most massive stars exhaust their available fuel and reach the end of their lives, they explode as supernovae, tremendously powerful explosions that are briefly brighter than an entire galaxy of normal stars. The remnants of these dramatic events also release vast numbers of high-energy charged particles known as galactic cosmic rays (GCR). If a supernova is close enough to the Solar System, the enhanced GCR levels can have a direct impact on the atmosphere of the Earth.

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Excellent post!

The more we learn, the more we realize we have so much more to learn?

Good evening, Jack.

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polgara said:

Excellent post!

The more we learn, the more we realize we have so much more to learn?

Good evening, Jack.

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Good evening, Polgara. And thanks.

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Now all he needs to establish is that cosmic rays have an effect, overcoming the solar magnetic field's protection. Once that's established, then he has only to establish that cosmic rays can seed low-level clouds and then that low-level clouds cause a long-term negative trend in climatic terms. Stand all those bottles in a row, and his research might have something to commend it.

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Jack Hays said:

From the Royal Astronomical Society::shock:

Did exploding stars help life on Earth to thrive?
Last Updated on Tuesday, 24 April 2012 09:47

Research by a Danish physicist suggests that the explosion of massive stars – supernovae – near the Solar System has strongly influenced the development of life. Prof. Henrik Svensmark of the Technical University of Denmark (DTU) sets out his novel work in a paper in the journal Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.

Pleiades - smallAn image of the Pleiades (M45), a famous star cluster about 135 million years old. This age means that any massive stars in the cluster would have exploded as supernovae when ammonites were prominent in the sea. According to Henrik Svensmark, the rate of nearby supernovae strongly influenced the diversity of such marine invertebrates. Credit: NASA, ESA and AURA/CaltechWhen the most massive stars exhaust their available fuel and reach the end of their lives, they explode as supernovae, tremendously powerful explosions that are briefly brighter than an entire galaxy of normal stars. The remnants of these dramatic events also release vast numbers of high-energy charged particles known as galactic cosmic rays (GCR). If a supernova is close enough to the Solar System, the enhanced GCR levels can have a direct impact on the atmosphere of the Earth.

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Mmm, I think I'll stand by virtually EVERY scientific organization in the world in recognizing man-made global warming.

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Manc Skipper said:

Now all he needs to establish is that cosmic rays have an effect, overcoming the solar magnetic field's protection. Once that's established, then he has only to establish that cosmic rays can seed low-level clouds and then that low-level clouds cause a long-term negative trend in climatic terms. Stand all those bottles in a row, and his research might have something to commend it.

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No, at this point all anyone 'has to do' is show that there are alternatives to the hysterical claims of rabid AGW proponents. All the wild claims, all the dismissal, all the mean spirited character assassination coming from the AGW proponents reminds of early Scientology.

What's next? Al Gore going to have those of us dissenting visited by thugs that threaten our families if we don't go along with the fraudulent tax scheme?

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j-mac said:

No, at this point all anyone 'has to do' is show that there are alternatives to the hysterical claims of rabid AGW proponents. All the wild claims, all the dismissal, all the mean spirited character assassination coming from the AGW proponents reminds of early Scientology.

What's next? Al Gore going to have those of us dissenting visited by thugs that threaten our families if we don't go along with the fraudulent tax scheme?

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Debate the controversy hasn't worked for creationists, it won't work for the denialist cultists either. It's not an alternative for the obvious reasons I proposed, and dredging up the fake Gore strawman alongside thug enforcers is paranoiac claptrap of the shallowest order.

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AdamT said:

Mmm, I think I'll stand by virtually EVERY scientific organization in the world in recognizing man-made global warming.

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Yup. In the history of science, such strident defense of conventional wisdom usually precedes a paradigm shift. Stand by.

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Manc Skipper said:

Debate the controversy hasn't worked for creationists, it won't work for the denialist cultists either. It's not an alternative for the obvious reasons I proposed, and dredging up the fake Gore strawman alongside thug enforcers is paranoiac claptrap of the shallowest order.

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What will work is superior science. See Svensmark.

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Svensmark isn't the messiah that deniers think he is when I can rebut him.

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AdamT said:

Clearly you have an astoundingly unrealistic opinion as to what you can and cannot conclude based upon your lack of scientific bona fides.

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Yeah. I've successfully suffered this all my life. Evidence and proofs are not the exclusive realm of science alone. Amazing, eh?

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Manc Skipper said:

Svensmark isn't the messiah that deniers think he is when I can rebut him.

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No need for a messiah. Current AGW climate conventional wisdom seems much like the premodern Ptolemaic planetary model, with epicycles and reverse orbits needed to prop up its terracentric model. Along came the clear, clean science and mathematics of Copernicus and Kepler, and the old paradigm collapsed. They set the problem in a larger frame and pointed to deeper understanding. Likewise Svensmark and CERN have enlarged the frame of our climate discussion, and their clear, clean science and mathematics will sweep away the figurative epicycles and reverse orbits required to sustain belief in AGW orthodoxy.

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head of joaquin said:

IT'S A CONSPIRACY!

Inevitably conservatives after losing on the merits, take bastion in this lunacy.

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We didn't lose on merits. We just aren't reproducing like the unwashed and unmotivated leeches.

If we'd just impregnate every woman that walks by and fail to educate our bastard children, we wouldn't be so outnumbered eventually.

You're welcome, by the way, for paying your bills for you.

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Μολὼν λαβέ;1061434553 said:

We are actually between ice ages.



I would be willing to bet one it isn't from driving SUVs with V8 engines.

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We're in the middle of an ice age.

It's common knowledge.

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AdamT said:

I really hate to burst your bubble, but Svensmark really hasn't proven anything. Deniers have been flocking to cosmic rays for years as a last best hope to support their anti-global-warming religion, but there's really no there there. RealClimate: A review of cosmic rays and climate: a cluttered story of little success

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"Global warming" and "Anthropogenic Global Warming" are as different from one another as are death and murder. To use the two terms interchangeably is confusing, disingenuous and bordering on deception.

The Scientists of CERN are the ones who proposed the link between Cosmic Rays and Climate Change. They said that the correlation exists in the climate record AND, unlike the notion of AGW, the effect can be demonstrated and duplicated in the lab. Is it now your contention that there are scientists who are more sciencie than others?

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Manc Skipper said:

Now all he needs to establish is that cosmic rays have an effect, overcoming the solar magnetic field's protection. Once that's established, then he has only to establish that cosmic rays can seed low-level clouds and then that low-level clouds cause a long-term negative trend in climatic terms. Stand all those bottles in a row, and his research might have something to commend it.

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So, to re-cap, if a scientist says something that supports AGW he is a scientist, but if he proposes an alternate idea, even an idea for which there is equal or greater substantiation, he is something less?

Religious fanatics such as yourself must be very careful to dismiss the alternatives so the sacrifice of the virgins can go on.

Burn any witches today?

http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110824/full/news.2011.504.html

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AdamT said:

Mmm, I think I'll stand by virtually EVERY scientific organization in the world in recognizing man-made global warming.

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Care to present the explanation from any of these organizations on why the rate and amount of warming from 1600 to 1800 was about the same as the warming from 1800 to 2000?

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Manc Skipper said:

Debate the controversy hasn't worked for creationists, it won't work for the denialist cultists either. It's not an alternative for the obvious reasons I proposed, and dredging up the fake Gore strawman alongside thug enforcers is paranoiac claptrap of the shallowest order.

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You are holding the CERN scientists proposal to a far higher standard of proof than that you demand of the AGW notion.

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code1211 said:

You are holding the CERN scientists proposal to a far higher standard of proof than that you demand of the AGW notion.

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You're wandering into incoherence again.

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code1211 said:

So, to re-cap, if a scientist says something that supports AGW he is a scientist, but if he proposes an alternate idea, even an idea for which there is equal or greater substantiation, he is something less?

Religious fanatics such as yourself must be very careful to dismiss the alternatives so the sacrifice of the virgins can go on.

Burn any witches today?

Cloud formation may be linked to cosmic rays : Nature News

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Our present "scientific community" is a joke. They'll champion/conclude/find any idea the government wants because it's the government that is generally granting them money. I suppose the better part is that if you break away from consensus you're blackballed - reason being is because other "scientists" don't want their funding cut.

I guess that isn't even the best part. No - the best part is the fact that these so called scientists use a lot of their taxpayer funding to do their own personal experiments.

It's funny and ironic how a scientist can just be duped or manipulated considering they're allegedly "scientists".... You'd figure a scientist would have no desire to promote an agenda - yet they do. I also think many so called "scientists" are more than happy to perpetuate a lie because they hate people....Rats to them are valued life and humans are the real pests in their mind. Obviously I cannot speak for the entire scientific community, however my emphasis is on these AGW nuts.

All they do is promote the idea that if you don't buy 20 dollar shopping bags and live like the Amish we will all drown due to rising sea levels and it's not the suns fault - it's ours.....

Oh yeah I remember like 15 years ago these nuts would say we would all be drowned dead and NYC would be under water by 2010... Really??? of course these are the same clowns that said "snowball earth" was coming by 1995 back in the 70's.

Truth is these AGW clowns have absolutely ZERO credibility to be making predictions....

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Mr.Nick said:

All they do is promote the idea that if you don't buy 20 dollar shopping bags and live like the Amish we will all drown due to rising sea levels and it's not the suns fault - it's ours.....

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I've never seen them go for more than 2.00 most of the time. They're like $1.50 at Target.

And seriously, reducing trash pollution is part of a grand leftist plot to take over the world?

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rocket88 said:

I've never seen them go for more than 2.00 most of the time. They're like $1.50 at Target.

And seriously, reducing trash pollution is part of a grand leftist plot to take over the world?

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It's not reducing trash pollution it's telling people how to live their lives.... Once people are used to that then you have an obedient society... That's the intent - an obedient society that jumps when they're told to jump.

AGW is nothing more that a prerequisite to that - a conditioning process. A little OT but applies to my idea - but Obamacare is another part of that process... We're all a bunch of dogs in a kennel to the majority of the powers that be.

The worst part is that 95% of individuals er collectivists actually buy the whole "save mother earth nonsense." Of course that is only because they accept anything they're told just as long as the person teaching looks like they know what the **** they're talking about (official looking) that, and because they don't ask questions and just blindly trust.

See what happens when you ask questions.... Yeah you get shunned and passed off real fast because you **** the flow up, er disturb the consensus ...

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rocket88 said:

I've never seen them go for more than 2.00 most of the time. They're like $1.50 at Target.

And seriously, reducing trash pollution is part of a grand leftist plot to take over the world?

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Oh yeah and the bags?

Who the hell would pay for a 2.00 bag? Oh yeah the insecure trendy folk who need to show everyone else how environmentally friendly they are...

That is the problem here - everyone wants to show off how PC they are...

Who the **** pays 2 dollars for a plastic recycled bag? - oh yeah people who want to walk around with it attempting to show anyone and everyone how great they are because they bought a plastic bag for 2 bucks and how it must help the planet somehow. Yeah they know nothing about climate but they sure in the hell know plenty about being conceited and creating an image.

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code1211 said:

"Global warming" and "Anthropogenic Global Warming" are as different from one another as are death and murder. To use the two terms interchangeably is confusing, disingenuous and bordering on deception.

The Scientists of CERN are the ones who proposed the link between Cosmic Rays and Climate Change. They said that the correlation exists in the climate record AND, unlike the notion of AGW, the effect can be demonstrated and duplicated in the lab. Is it now your contention that there are scientists who are more sciencie than others?

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Excellent post. Well done.:applaud