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Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global [W:478]

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Very interesting take on this.

He mentioned that Duke is doing work on this stuff. Again, interesting.

Duke has published papers of those who are not a part of the lock step Diehards. Is it possible that Duke is actually doing real research?
 
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Is that from my link or yours, and does that mean he still doesn't know more about nuclear weapons than Climate Change?

The point is, you and J did read the quote wrong. And this is not his field. He, while a bright fellow, is not the foremost expert on the subject. You merely like him because he says what you want to hear.



Who is the foremost expert on the subject?
 
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Don't you see the hypocrisy? Those in the field are hacks, terrible people, have an agenda, but the one who says what you want to hear, now he's the end all? Don't you see why that doesn't work for anyone disagreeing with you?



Those who your present as experts are producing work that undermines their credibility.

Have you got that accurate prediction yet?
 
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What is this, failed attempt #283,389 to pretend AGW is not a theory because of some made up reason. Variables can't be part of a theory now? LoL, when did this happen?



Please cite one scientific organization that classifies this notion as a Scientific Theory.

Far from being a theory, this is not even a hypothesis.

http://biology.duke.edu/rausher/HYPOTHES.pdf
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Moving the goal posts? What are you upset now that it doesn't claim to be 100% right? Isn't that a reasonable number to give it a 10% chance of being wrong? Isn't that what you want anyway, for people to recognize AGW has a chance of being wrong? I agree there is a small chance. Why does it need to be as good as gravity? What point are you trying to make?



Have they defined how their assertions can be falsified?
 
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Can you explain why it is when you lose arguments you insist people prove their scientific knowledge? Its almost like you're trying to distract from the point that you're always wrong.



I believe you referenced that in a previous post.
 
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I haven't heard anyone use the word panic but you guys. More a concern. But if it is a concern, and the concern grows, eventually it will be a panic, or just too late. See how it works?




You're concerned over the temperature increase of 0.7 degrees in 2000 years or the temperature decrease of 1 degree in 8000?

I just need to know if I'll need flip flops or snow shoes.
 
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In Climate Science the "repeatable" requirement of a theory is met by model predictability. If the theory is correct, and the climate mechanisms are that well known, then this would be reflected in the model's ability to predict future climate.

The models are unable to repeat what we see in the climate data. Ergo the theory has serious problems.



Not even a hypothesis, but I accept your point.
 
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No. that's the trouble with the novice, they reach wrong conclusions.



Must be plenty of novices at NASA.

How can Hansen spend an entire career trying to sell this stuff and STILL be a novice?
 
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Why so you guys can tire me out with your homework assignments? You guys pull this bs all the time, not going to fall for it.

If you have a specific problem with something lay it out and I'll respond. You don't just ask me to do to your bidding to "prove" myself as though it changes the AGW argument. It cares not what I know. This is all so besides the point.



Why are the predictions wrong if the science is right?
 
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Read the AR4, they give detailed reports of the impact.



They post a prediction of between 0.3 to 6.4 degrees.

You can't be seriously citing this as serious science.

How did they explain the gross incompetence displayed in the predictions of the previous assessments?
 
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Originally Posted by jmotivator
In Climate Science the "repeatable" requirement of a theory is met by model predictability. If the theory is correct, and the climate mechanisms are that well known, then this would be reflected in the model's ability to predict future climate.

The models are unable to repeat what we see in the climate data. Ergo the theory has serious problems.






Okay. Here you go.


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Reminds me of how Cheney would do an interview with like the NYT and make an asinine statement in there which they'd quote, then in a speech later on would declare that said statement must be true because it was reported in the NYT.



The connection between cosmic rays and Global Climate as I understand it is not to enhance warming, but to reduce it.

It helps to form clouds.
 
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They do.

You're just too dense to bother to understand statistics like confidence intervals and p values. You know...basic science.



Right....

Have you found that science organization that has classified the notion of AGW as a Scientific Theory yet?
 
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No one believes its equal to you urinating in the ocean. Again, all you throw is not unknown. And still, those who know, say different. So, you, being novice, not educated in the field, blinded by politics, think you should be listened to over those who know. That would be equal to trusting my kidney transplant to a 17 year old short order cook with no medical knowledge.




You can present no proof and yet you believe.

Why do you think that your position is based on science?

What do the experts on whom you rely agree absolutely what the share of warming has been that is caused directly and absolutely by man?
 
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You can present no proof and yet you believe.

Why do you think that your position is based on science?

What do the experts on whom you rely agree absolutely what the share of warming has been that is caused directly and absolutely by man?

Your inability to read is not a ack of proof. Sorry.
 
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I'm sorry, but you've read too much propaganda and really don't spend time learning the actual arguments. And the denier agenda shows that lies can be fairly successful.



Why don't you present the arguments that you seem to think exist.
 
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You said that Dyson is not the foremost expert in the field. This implies that you know who the foremost experts are.

Just wondering who the foremost experts that you recognize might be. You certainly seem to cite them as the people we should trust without question.

Who are they?
 
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Why don't you present the arguments that you seem to think exist.

I already have. I see no profit in repeating them. You didn't deal with them the first two times. :2wave:
 
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Your inability to read is not a ack of proof. Sorry.



I'm sorry. I could not understand what you wrote.
 
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I'm sorry. I could not understand what you wrote.

Oh, I know. I know.
 
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I already have. I see no profit in repeating them. You didn't deal with them the first two times. :2wave:



You have said that the only thing we need to know is that the experts say it is so. That there is a consensus.

You present no arguments beyond that.

When pressed, you won't even reveal who the experts are. This is weak.
 
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