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Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global [W:478]

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Verax said:
Yes, nothing can be proven. It is possible that gravity just hasn't been proven wrong, yet.

Do not confuse this with the likelihood that gravity is correct. Gravity is a fact because it is easily observed as true by any competent person. Again this doesn't "prove" it 100% We call things true, correct, a fact because of their track record, not because it is impossible to prove them wrong.
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You implied in a previous post that Gravity and AGW are about on a plane in terms of proof and provability. Extending this, also falsifiability.

Are you saying that there is as much proof to support the notion of AGW as there is to support the Law of Gravity?
 
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Verax said:
LoL WAT? Did you read what I said? He said what I said he says. If you're not sure, read it again. If you're still not sure... maybe this isn't your forte.
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He dismisses the entire thrust of AGW which states pretty clearly that CO2 is the PRIME driver of Climate Change. Of course that thrust is nonsense and he dismisses it with excellent foundation.

You seem to be saying that he accepts the basis os AGW which he does not.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Verax said:
No, we're not playing your game where you assign me homework while you pick your nose. You take a look at the models yourself and come back with criticisms of them if you like.
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I have looked for the accurate 30 year old prediction and am satisfied that ti does not exist.

You seem to be pretty sure that the folks who have no clue understand what is happening and can back it up with science.

I am only asking that you prove your belief. By not presenting what does not exist, I have done my part.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Verax said:
LoL, your ignorance is breath taking. Just because you don't know any of those things doesn't mean nobody else does either.
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Why did the warming that we currently enjoy start 150 years before the CO2 started to increase?

It is you who say that CO2 is causing the warming. I am only asking that you prove it.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Then state a panic isn't justified, and not that man doesn't play a role. You waste a lot if time arguing what you agree with if you accept man plays a role. Though, I really don't know any panicking. Suggesting we look for alternative energy sources isn't panic, but rather logical thinking.
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If I happen to urinate into the ocean, I am contributing to the sea level rising.

The question is how much.

If the rise of the temperature is 0.7 degrees in 2000 years, and it is, and the contribution to that increase by man is negligible, and it is, then why the fuss?

Did you know that the increase in temperature from the year 0 to the year 100o is greater than the increase fro the year 1000 to the year 2000?
 
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Verax said:
Not mad... but why would you think "relevant" meant that I was claiming that I have read every document ever published on climate change? Common sense would tell you that I was referring to the foundational material that can be browsed in a few days.

You've taken these courses and you know about science, yet you buddy with code and like all of his posts? The guy emits anti-science nonsense. This makes little sense.
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Relevant does have a particular meaning. We know from the rigged survey that revealed that 32% of scientists endorse AGW that there are at least 12,000 papers written on this topic.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Verax said:
How can you read that link and come away with this conclusion? What kind of madness goes on in your head??? I am absolutely shocked, what is wrong with you? The first paragraph lays it all out. There are 125 cited sources. What else could you possibly need to make the connection?
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Is there circus music playing?
 
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Threegoofs said:
That's every thread. If you do his homework, he whines about it not being good enough anyway.
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Like you, he is asking me to support his case with information that does not exist, but that he claims does exist.
 
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Verax said:
The estimate is a range. If you understood statistics you would see that the extremes are very unlikely however possible. Flip a coin 10 times, there is a chance you will get an extreme scenario in which 8 are heads and 2 are tails, however it is unlikely. You will likely get between 4-6 heads and tails. They also give the "likely" estimate which has a much smaller range.
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Then why don't they say this?

Why not say that the science is clear and settled and the temperature will rise by a specified amount in the next 100 years?

They don't know, can't figure it out and so they give a range that will include the actual no matter how clueless they are.

It is a lesson taken from Hansen, but Hansen missed even with his huge range of error. I suspect that is why the have the bottom prediction at .3 degrees.
 
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Verax said:
Feel free to let us all in on this secret. :roll:
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Was it you or Boo who said that the models were the falsifiable part of AGW science. Since they have all been falsified, the notion is disproven.
 
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Verax said:
Jesus Christ, you're just like Code. You turn everything into a mind numbing assault on sensibilities. Now we have to define the meaning of relevant because you have a quibble.

Definition of RELEVANT
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a : having significant and demonstrable bearing on the matter at hand

Did you really think relevant meant EVERYTHING ever published on climate change?

If somebody told you that they were going to rebuild their carburetor in their vehicle, and they had read the "relevant" material to do so. Would you assume they were claiming that they had read every published document on carburetors EVER? Of course you wouldn't you psycho. The **** is wrong with you? lol
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Oscar was not the guy that characterized it as "all the relevant material".
 
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code1211 said:
Oscar was not the guy that characterized it as "all the relevant material".
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one reason why you should not use terms like "all", "always", "never", "everybody", etc on forums such as this. it only takes a single counter-example to make you appear foolish.
 
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donsutherland1 said:
The blogger took the draft report out of context. That report states that some argue for a mechanism that amplifies solar forcing (a natural factor). However, subsequent paragraphs discount that hypothesis. The closing paragraph of that section of Chapter 7 states:

Although there is some evidence that ionization from cosmic rays may enhance aerosol nucleation in the free troposphere, there is medium evidence and high agreement that he cosmic ray-ionization mechanism is too weak to influence global concentrations CCN or their change over the last century or during a solar cycle in any climatically significant way. The lack of trend in the cosmic ray intensity over the last 50 years provides another strong argument agains the hypothesis of a major contribution of cosmic rays to ongoing climate change.

The draft document also notes in its summary for policymakers, "No robust association between changes in cosmic rays and cloudiness has been identified."

In other words, once one reads the draft report's language in its full context, there is no "game-changing admission of enhanced solar forcing." The report does not reflect reduced confidence in AGW.
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Reminds me of how Cheney would do an interview with like the NYT and make an asinine statement in there which they'd quote, then in a speech later on would declare that said statement must be true because it was reported in the NYT.
 
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OscarB63 said:
one reason why you should not use terms like "all", "always", "never", "everybody", etc on forums such as this. it only takes a single counter-example to make you appear foolish.
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Everybody in Alabama always wished they had all been born in Georgia and never in Alabama.
 
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code1211 said:
Then why don't they say this?

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They do.

You're just too dense to bother to understand statistics like confidence intervals and p values. You know...basic science.
 
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poweRob said:
Everybody in Alabama always wished they had all been born in Georgia and never in Alabama.
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Well, ill have to admit, you make more sense than code....
 
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j-mac said:
Oh come on Joe....You alarmists are panicking because if you weren't there wouldn't be such a push to curtail our current energy system for failed, unproven methods that have no chance at replacing it....
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I don't speak for any one but me. But I know what I've read from scientist. Your description would not apply to them. But your politics seems to prevent you from merely accepting the science as the best evidence.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
It's the models that reach the wrong conclusions.
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Says the novice. That's convincing. :roll:
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

code1211 said:
If I happen to urinate into the ocean, I am contributing to the sea level rising.

The question is how much.

If the rise of the temperature is 0.7 degrees in 2000 years, and it is, and the contribution to that increase by man is negligible, and it is, then why the fuss?

Did you know that the increase in temperature from the year 0 to the year 100o is greater than the increase fro the year 1000 to the year 2000?
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No one believes its equal to you urinating in the ocean. Again, all you throw is not unknown. And still, those who know, say different. So, you, being novice, not educated in the field, blinded by politics, think you should be listened to over those who know. That would be equal to trusting my kidney transplant to a 17 year old short order cook with no medical knowledge.
 
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jmotivator said:
In Climate Science the "repeatable" requirement of a theory is met by model predictability. If the theory is correct, and the climate mechanisms are that well known, then this would be reflected in the model's ability to predict future climate.

The models are unable to repeat what we see in the climate data. Ergo the theory has serious problems.
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My God man...

A model will be repeatable. Same input, same output. It's just a series of math equations.

Models do not count. Period. No if, ands, or buts.
 
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Verax said:
Read the AR4, they give detailed reports of the impact.
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The AR4 is not to be trusted. It's a political lit piece.

How many of their predictions near term have come true?

The things they say about the Himalayans are shown to be extremely off.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

code1211 said:
Why did the warming that we currently enjoy start 150 years before the CO2 started to increase?

It is you who say that CO2 is causing the warming. I am only asking that you prove it.
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Don't know know...

If the Enterprise can go back in time, so can CO2...
 
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Boo Radley said:
I don't speak for any one but me. But I know what I've read from scientist. Your description would not apply to them. But your politics seems to prevent you from merely accepting the science as the best evidence.
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Nope...Pull the politics, and attempts to create a fiat currency, along with a UN agenda to sap the sovereignty of every country in a global redistribution scheme, coupled with the 'sky is falling' attitude of alarmists cultist that want me to buy candles, use tree bark for toilet paper, and give up meat, and I'll be right there closely following what we can do in the next 500 years to prepare in the eventuality this turns out to be proven.

Right now though, all I see is my cost of living going up purposely, and angry libs that would make the followers of David Koresh in Waco proud for their devotion, and no transparency at all...Just lies....

Sorry man. Lies, and schemes usually fail, it is just a matter of when those who have been duped by them wake up and admit it...I await your awakening....;)
 
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Lord of Planar said:
My God man...

A model will be repeatable. Same input, same output. It's just a series of math equations.

Models do not count. Period. No if, ands, or buts.
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Well, no, not exactly. There is always new data to feed into the model. I realize the problems with the climate models are far deeper than my example, but if the models were of value we should be able to run them over and over with new data and get a result that matches observed climate.

That is part of proving a theory, matching observation to prediction. In this case observation and prediction diverge so the theory is not proven.
 
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j-mac said:
Nope...Pull the politics, and attempts to create a fiat currency, along with a UN agenda to sap the sovereignty of every country in a global redistribution scheme, coupled with the 'sky is falling' attitude of alarmists cultist that want me to buy candles, use tree bark for toilet paper, and give up meat, and I'll be right there closely following what we can do in the next 500 years to prepare in the eventuality this turns out to be proven.

Right now though, all I see is my cost of living going up purposely, and angry libs that would make the followers of David Koresh in Waco proud for their devotion, and no transparency at all...Just lies....

Sorry man. Lies, and schemes usually fail, it is just a matter of when those who have been duped by them wake up and admit it...I await your awakening....;)
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I'm sorry, but you've read too much propaganda and really don't spend time learning the actual arguments. And the denier agenda shows that lies can be fairly successful.
 
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