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Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global [W:478]

Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Weather change denialism AND the Agenda 21 meme. This is a great post for analyzing knownothing rightwing memes.

BOO!

LOL, I bet you just crapped your knickers.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Solar variations. This isn't hard information to discover. (although they don't call that "man-made" for obvious reasons. perhaps your error is in thinking that climate changes can only be natural or man-made, but "either" and "both" are also options)

It's a natural process. But today, everything has to be a freaking crisis so government can expand indiscrimantly and exponentially.

Scare the crap out of people and tax them to death.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

It's a natural process. But today, everything has to be a freaking crisis so government can expand indiscrimantly and exponentially.

Scare the crap out of people and tax them to death.

Climate does change naturally. Does this preclude the possibility of humans influencing it?
I only ask because your wording seems to be exclusive.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Climate does change naturally. Does this preclude the possibility of humans influencing it?
I only ask because your wording seems to be exclusive.

A good point and should be remembered. The answer of course is no, it doesn't preclude that possibility. But to recognise human influence we first need to understand the basic natural system of climate. We do not adequately know that yet. Not near enough to be making assumptions about the significance of human forcing.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

A good point and should be remembered. The answer of course is no, it doesn't preclude that possibility. But to recognise human influence we first need to understand the basic natural system of climate. We do not adequately know that yet. Not near enough to be making assumptions about the significance of human forcing.

This is the rehashed we don't know everything, so we know nothing.. (often followed by Goddidit) argument. We know enough to make an informed assessment of what is happening. We also know that no alternative explanation better fits the circumstances in which we find ourselves
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

This is the rehashed we don't know everything, so we know nothing.. (often followed by Goddidit) argument. We know enough to make an informed assessment of what is happening. We also know that no alternative explanation better fits the circumstances in which we find ourselves

No, it's not. We are learning more about the system, but we do not know enough about it to make the determinations, to draw the conclusions that are being drawn to suit POLITICAL purposes.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Climate does change naturally. Does this preclude the possibility of humans influencing it?
I only ask because your wording seems to be exclusive.

Theoretically, of course not. But it is highly arrogant of us to think we can control global climate. It's like claiming we can harness a thunderstorm or stop an earthquake.

Unfortunately, theory is now postulative fact in liberal academia. The Scientific Method has been tossed in the trash. Whatever serves the political party of choice, and drives millions into the "underpaid" salaries of quirky, misfitted professors.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

No. Literally nobody said that. You misunderstood.

The trick is to realize that more than one thing affects climate. At any given moment one or more of those factors might have significant influence on the observed trend, and one or more of those factors might have little or no change.

Over the last 50 years the biggest factor has been increasing greenhouse gases.
The 50 years prior to that was primarily solar forcing.

This isn't some new argument I'm fabricating. This has always been the argument. Literally nobody has ever suggested that sun doesn't affect temperature. If at any point this is your interpretation of the argument, your interpretation is wrong.



The greater the concentration of CO2 becomes, the less and less every incremental increase of the concentration will have on the climate. The change in that effect today is so small as to be nonexistent.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Solar variations. This isn't hard information to discover. (although they don't call that "man-made" for obvious reasons. perhaps your error is in thinking that climate changes can only be natural or man-made, but "either" and "both" are also options)


Is it possible that the solar irradiance had increased and NOT changed, but that the ongoing effect of the previously increased but currently stable irradience was just warming things up as a result of the aggregate effect?
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

This is the rehashed we don't know everything, so we know nothing.. (often followed by Goddidit) argument. We know enough to make an informed assessment of what is happening. We also know that no alternative explanation better fits the circumstances in which we find ourselves


The difference is that one group says we don't know enough about this so let's learn more about this while another group is saying we don't know enough about this so let's run of half cocked and change the world even though it might not do anything productive or corrective.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

The difference is that one group says we don't know enough about this so let's learn more about this while another group is saying we don't know enough about this so let's run of half cocked and change the world even though it might not do anything productive or corrective.

That may be the case in your reality, but not in the real world.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

No, it's not. We are learning more about the system, but we do not know enough about it to make the determinations, to draw the conclusions that are being drawn to suit POLITICAL purposes.

clownboy, the climatologist speaks.

Regrettably for rightwing conspiracy theorists, real climatologists disagree.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Not every issue falls into the silly left v right category of thinking you seemingly default to. I know a number of leftists who don't buy into the cult, just as I know a number of right-wingers who do.

Yes, yes, all three of them.

Climate change denialism is a rightwing meme, fostered and paid for by Big Carbon, and activiting the conspiratorial part of the tea party brain, such as it is. Progressives listen to scientists and try to make rational policy based on the best science.

It's sort of funny to hear you defend you position by claiming falsely that some liberals are as irrational as you are.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

It's a natural process. But today, everything has to be a freaking crisis so government can expand indiscrimantly and exponentially.

Scare the crap out of people and tax them to death.

IT'S A CONSPIRACY!

Inevitably conservatives after losing on the merits, take bastion in this lunacy.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

I will add to my comments in Message #2. Three quick thoughts before posting some of the draft report's key findings:

1. It is astonishing that the whomever wrote the news story cited at the beginning of this thread never read the IPCC report.
2. The news story is an example of confirmation bias at its worst. It latches onto a piece of information that is taken out of context and assumes that the draft report has retreated on the findings of earlier IPCC assessments.
3. Perhaps the two points above explain why the news organization that disseminated the story and the bloggers who have latched onto the incorrect story, were so far off the mark when it came to the 2012 U.S. Presidential election.

In general, in a free society, people need reliable information to make rational choices. The above story is not an example of reliable information. Public policy that is based on such flawed information is not optimal, as it misses the actual problem at hand (assumes that it doesn't exist). Hence, one can't proceed to the necessary discussion of costs and benefits, even as the opportunity costs associated with that flawed assumption could be rising.

As for the leaked draft report, these are its major conclusions as it relates to AGW:

Globally, CO2 is the strongest driver of climate change compared to other changes in the atmospheric composition, and changes in surface conditions. Its relative contribution has further increased since the 1980s and by far outweighs the contributions from natural drivers. CO2 concentrations and rates of increase are unprecedented in teh last 800,000 years and at least 20,000 years, respectively.

I underlined the text related to natural drivers, as solar activity is a natural driver. The report makes unambiguously clear that the forcing related to CO2 far exceeds the impact of natural drivers, including the solar component, when it comes to ongoing climate change.

The report adds:

There is consistent evidence from observations of a net energy uptake of the Earth System due to an imbalance in the energy budget. It is virtually certain that this is caused by human activities, primarily by the increase in CO2 concentrations. There is very high confidence that natural forcing contributes only a small fraction to this imbalance.

Notice again that natural factors explain only "a small fraction" of the earth's ongoing energy imbalance, which is leading to heating. Indeed, the earth maintained a sizable energy imbalance even during the recent solar minimum, which was the longest and deepest solar minimum since at least the early 20th century.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Well, surprise, surprise....Warming is caused by the sun.....Who'd have thunk it?.....:mrgreen:

So the question is, why would an international body like the UN be pushing so hard for man made climate change? The answer is in what few know about, called agenda 21.



So you all tell me. I know that those willing, or wanting to mask the "ends" that they are for will attack me for using the Blaze as a source for the secondary piece, but agenda 21 is there for all to read...

Agenda 21 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Read it, and do your own research, but this is probably the clearest sign that the UN is a dangerous to freedom, and needs to be dismantled.

Overall this is a complicated, nonlinear system with a wealth of variables. Of course solar cycles influence our climate, of course geological events affect our climate. No on says otherwise. Humans too have a nonzero affect. Anyone who tries to reduce this into a 1 dimensional argument is an idiot.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

What caused the end of the last Ice Age?

We're currently in the middle of an ice age.

There are multiple theories as to what ended the ice age(s).
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

clownboy, the climatologist speaks.

Regrettably for rightwing conspiracy theorists, real climatologists disagree.

Pot, kettle, black and yet again you offer nothing but biased and blindered comments.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

clownboy, the climatologist speaks.

Regrettably for rightwing conspiracy theorists, real climatologists disagree.

Climatology is useless. The only science that matters when putting the puzzle together is geology. A climatologist cant tell you what the weather (or climate) was like 5,000 or 500,000 years ago - a geologist can.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Yes, yes, all three of them.

Climate change denialism is a rightwing meme, fostered and paid for by Big Carbon, and activiting the conspiratorial part of the tea party brain, such as it is. Progressives listen to scientists and try to make rational policy based on the best science.

It's sort of funny to hear you defend you position by claiming falsely that some liberals are as irrational as you are.

Big Carbon is Al Gore.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Climatology is useless. The only science that matters when putting the puzzle together is geology. A climatologist cant tell you what the weather (or climate) was like 5,000 or 500,000 years ago - a geologist can.

I'm glad someone said it. Not to mention, climatologists apparently don't understand plate tectonics or that the spot they measured for conditions last year isn't in the same place as it is the next year.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Regardless, I do think that solar activity and natural things on earth greatly impact climate. We know that climate changes naturally, I don't think there is sufficient evidence to state without a reasonable doubt that man made waste/emissions are warming the planet to a significant degree when compared to other factors, especially when so much politics surrounds the issue.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

I'm glad someone said it. Not to mention, climatologists apparently don't understand plate tectonics or that the spot they measured for conditions last year isn't in the same place as it is the next year.

Exactly...

The funny thing is that these goofs who constantly cry about "climate change" refer to the earth as a living being but hardly analyze the earth as if it was living. They act as if "climate change" is bad when it is nothing more than a natural process - a process humans have nothing to do with.

Climatologists are the worst because when it comes to climate all they have is 100 years of climate records and act as if the world is going to end because the climate changes... Of course climate changes - we have 4.5 billion years of geological record that proves this and blaming the change that has been occurring for 4.5 billion years on humans is one of the dumbest theories I have ever heard. Of course climatologist global warming nuts will ignore 4.5 billion years of geological record and rely on a couple hundred years of data to interpret their theory of man made global warming. Lets also not forget these are the same idiots who back in the 70's were trying to scare people with man made "global cooling."

Lets also not forget these same fools are trying to convince people that solar activity plays no role in warming but humans do. It's flippn' ridiculous.

It reminds me of that scene from Orwell's 1984 where the guy is like: "how many fingers am I holding up?"
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Regardless, I do think that solar activity and natural things on earth greatly impact climate. We know that climate changes naturally, I don't think there is sufficient evidence to state without a reasonable doubt that man made waste/emissions are warming the planet to a significant degree when compared to other factors, especially when so much politics surrounds the issue.

There is no evidence to suggest that our climate is changing any more rapidly than it did before humans existed.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Lets also not forget these same fools are trying to convince people that solar activity plays no role in warming but humans do. It's flippn' ridiculous.


I know of noone that is dealing in absolutes in regards to solar not causing ANY change. Please show us the comment where someone made that solar has abosultely ZERO effect on climate change while humans make absoultely ALL of the change. I'm guess you can't because you pulled that comment out of your ass.
 
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