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Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global [W:478]

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Ok, do you think that doing away with the energy sources that are proven now, and in use, for nothing that seems to be working now is prudent? Or would make life better?

It is one thing to work toward energy that is cleaner, or more renewable etc....But to just say that we need to do that, and then do things that rise costs, make current energy less accessible, and have nothing that will replace what you are putting off limits, hurts people that can least afford it, and ends up tanking economies....

Its not an overnight fix I agree but it would if certain world powers would set a better example it would go a lot faster. Countries like Canada and China do more to hinder green energy and they do to help it.
 
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The UN admits the sun has something to do with climate, well imagine that. Global warming is real. So is global cooling. As a former geology major, we studied climate cycles through the geological ages. The only illogical belief is that climate will remain the same. Trends in climate aren't measured in decades and people are only aware of the weather in their lifetimes. Trends are measured in eons and climate hysteria is only displayed by those without the science background to understand it.
 
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Its not an overnight fix I agree but it would if certain world powers would set a better example it would go a lot faster. Countries like Canada and China do more to hinder green energy and they do to help it.

See, this is what I mean. You lump Canada in your response, why? because they are actually extracting oil from the tar sands, and shale? It's the energy the world needs today, in the here and now. Why does that make them somehow bad?

Look, I am an "all of the above guy" IF you have something that is proven and can, or is proven to work in replacing the energy we have now, and would bring down costs for the average person, then I am all for it. But we don't. Meanwhile, we have people that are constantly screaming for people to get off oil, use candles in their homes, forego toilet paper, etc. with nothing, not even a clue of how to replace it, or couldn't care less what the increased costs their policies do to the middle class, and poor.

Frankly, I am sick and tired of paying $4 at the pump to make it to work, tired of increases at the grocery store every time I go in there, tired of of people tell me I am somehow not a 1st class citizen if I don't spend more, and stop using the things that are there in the here and now in lieu of that which doesn't work. And I am sick and tired of the lies, and dishonest way that all of these arguments are posed to the people as if we can just blame the opposition for all the ills, and not take a look at how the policy put in place effects the outcomes...It's BS of the highest order, and just not honest.

So, like I said, if you have something that will instantly replace oil, or coal as the primary energy source of the world, then by all means please share it, and don't give us failed crap like wind, and solar that has done little more than fleece my hard earned money to pay back political cronies. Other than that, it really is just talking point pap that is being bantered back and forth...

Oh, and finally, Keep in mind that Obama only has 3 more years, and less than one if you consider that his current overreaching could easily spark the repub's taking over both houses in the fall of next year, then his tactics are rendered moot. And he can finish out his terms the same way Clinton did, making dumb videos of him riding a bike through the west wing, and hamming it up while repub's go about trying to fix his "fundamental transformation" that has to date largely failed.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

See, this is what I mean. You lump Canada in your response, why? because they are actually extracting oil from the tar sands, and shale? It's the energy the world needs today, in the here and now. Why does that make them somehow bad?

Look, I am an "all of the above guy" IF you have something that is proven and can, or is proven to work in replacing the energy we have now, and would bring down costs for the average person, then I am all for it. But we don't. Meanwhile, we have people that are constantly screaming for people to get off oil, use candles in their homes, forego toilet paper, etc. with nothing, not even a clue of how to replace it, or couldn't care less what the increased costs their policies do to the middle class, and poor.

Frankly, I am sick and tired of paying $4 at the pump to make it to work, tired of increases at the grocery store every time I go in there, tired of of people tell me I am somehow not a 1st class citizen if I don't spend more, and stop using the things that are there in the here and now in lieu of that which doesn't work. And I am sick and tired of the lies, and dishonest way that all of these arguments are posed to the people as if we can just blame the opposition for all the ills, and not take a look at how the policy put in place effects the outcomes...It's BS of the highest order, and just not honest.

So, like I said, if you have something that will instantly replace oil, or coal as the primary energy source of the world, then by all means please share it, and don't give us failed crap like wind, and solar that has done little more than fleece my hard earned money to pay back political cronies. Other than that, it really is just talking point pap that is being bantered back and forth...

Oh, and finally, Keep in mind that Obama only has 3 more years, and less than one if you consider that his current overreaching could easily spark the repub's taking over both houses in the fall of next year, then his tactics are rendered moot. And he can finish out his terms the same way Clinton did, making dumb videos of him riding a bike through the west wing, and hamming it up while repub's go about trying to fix his "fundamental transformation" that has to date largely failed.


I was more angry at Canada for leaving the Kyoto Protocol and completely disregarding it.
 
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...goes outside, looks up, notices the sky is STILL not falling, turns around and goes back inside. Nothing to see here, as usual, move along.......

FWIW, we had the coolest June on record this year in my area. on track to have the coolest July on record.

It was warm out yesterday. Therefore the globe is warming.
 
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It was warm out yesterday. Therefore the globe is warming.

exactly... or it was cold outside yesterday, but it was because global warming somewhere else forced the colder air to come to your area.
 
UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warming

I was more angry at Canada for leaving the Kyoto Protocol and completely disregarding it.

Kyoto was trash.
 
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carbon credits!!!!!!! get your carbon credits here!!!!!! buy one get one free!!!!!
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

No silver bullet. Read them all.



Einstein said that if you understand something, you can explain it to your grandmother.

If you can't explain your opinion, I will understand.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Einstein said that if you understand something, you can explain it to your grandmother.

If you can't explain your opinion, I will understand.

I don't claim to be a scientist. I claim there is more than one brick to the house of evidence and that you should not cherry pick from your misunderstandings and address all the bricks. I linked am article explaining that. I also claim there is a solid consensus. I've linked that as well. But let me give you more:



The author is in the Department of History and Science Studies Program, University of California at San Diego, La Jolla, CA 92093, USA. E-mail: noreskes@ucsd.edu
Policy-makers and the public who are not members of the relevant research community have had to form opinions about the reality of global climate change on the basis of often conflicting descriptions provided by the media regarding the level of scientific certainty attached to studies of climate. In this Essay, Oreskes analyzes the existing scientific literature to show that there is a robust consensus that anthropogenic global climate change is occurring. Thus, despite claims sometimes made by some groups that there is not good evidence that Earth's climate is being affected by human activities, the scientific community is in overwhelming agreement that such evidence is clear and persuasive.

The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change

http://www.rc.swls.org/www.old/talks/climatechange2007.pdf
 
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UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warming

I wonder how long after charlatans of the late 1800s got away with duping people into buying their potions after they were debunked. I bet they'd pray for people of the AGW religion mindset to fleece. It'd be so easy.
 
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I wonder how long after charlatans of the late 1800s got away with duping people into buying their potions after they were debunked. I bet they'd pray for people of the AGW religion mindset to fleece. It'd be so easy.

Of course it is always better to ignore the science and trust your own faith. It's obvious. :coffeepap

See, we can all play this. But the fact is the science and the consensus says differently than you believe. They may be wrong, or not perfectly correct, but it requires actual science to debunk them. Cherry picking and ignoring rebuttals doesn't work.
 
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carbon credits!!!!!! get your carbon credits here!!!!!! buy one get one free!!!!!!

carbon credits are the "snake oil" of our generation
 
UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warming

Of course it is always better to ignore the science and trust your own faith. It's obvious. :coffeepap

See, we can all play this. But the fact is the science and the consensus says differently than you believe. They may be wrong, or not perfectly correct, but it requires actual science to debunk them. Cherry picking and ignoring rebuttals doesn't work.

When you AGW cultists start using science instead of propaganda and political rhetoric, let us know.
 
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When you AGW cultists start using science instead of propaganda and political rhetoric, let us know.

Yes, I use science. As we all should. Don't you see the humor in your statement?
 
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The fact that you believe that stuff to be "well rounded" indicates the depth of your knowledge of the subject.

That would place him at least even with the so called scientists caught red handed producing phony reports and data on the subject. And those dumb enough to buy into the phony reports and data.
 
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That would place him at least even with the so called scientists caught red handed producing phony reports and data on the subject. And those dumb enough to buy into the phony reports and data.

Your obvious immerion in fake factoids indicates your lack of scientific knowledge.
 
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Your obvious immerion in fake factoids indicates your lack of scientific knowledge.

Well then. I'm in good company with those that accuse me of such.
 
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I don't claim to be a scientist. I claim there is more than one brick to the house of evidence and that you should not cherry pick from your misunderstandings and address all the bricks. I linked am article explaining that. I also claim there is a solid consensus. I've linked that as well. But let me give you more:



The author is in the Department of History and Science Studies Program, University of California at San Diego, La Jolla, CA 92093, USA. E-mail: noreskes@ucsd.edu
Policy-makers and the public who are not members of the relevant research community have had to form opinions about the reality of global climate change on the basis of often conflicting descriptions provided by the media regarding the level of scientific certainty attached to studies of climate. In this Essay, Oreskes analyzes the existing scientific literature to show that there is a robust consensus that anthropogenic global climate change is occurring. Thus, despite claims sometimes made by some groups that there is not good evidence that Earth's climate is being affected by human activities, the scientific community is in overwhelming agreement that such evidence is clear and persuasive.

The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change

http://www.rc.swls.org/www.old/talks/climatechange2007.pdf



The global has warmed to date by 0.7 degrees over the last 2000 years. It has cooled to date by about 1.0 degrees over the last 8000 years. The current warming that started when the cooling of the Little Ice Age ended has not increased in speed after 1800. The amount of warming from 1600 to 1800 and from 1800 to 2000 is roughly equal. The rate of increase, obviously is about the same.

There is very little in the data to support your case.

There is very much in the data to doubt your conclusion.

What is your proof?

In the graph below, check the proxy lines of the individual data tracks. Please note that many of them are much higher in the past than they are right now.

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Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

The global has warmed to date by 0.7 degrees over the last 2000 years. It has cooled to date by about 1.0 degrees over the last 8000 years. The current warming that started when the cooling of the Little Ice Age ended has not increased in speed after 1800. The amount of warming from 1600 to 1800 and from 1800 to 2000 is roughly equal. The rate of increase, obviously is about the same.

There is very little in the data to support your case.

There is very much in the data to doubt your conclusion.

What is your proof?

In the graph below, check the proxy lines of the individual data tracks. Please note that many of them are much higher in the past than they are right now.

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I e given you a lot of data, and you've addressed none of it.
 
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I e given you a lot of data, and you've addressed none of it.




You've posted links and made no points.

I'm not going to argue your case for you.

If you have a case, make it.
 
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Now that we all agree that even the UN realizes that the "global warming" is actually just the result of solar activity, can we all go back to arguing about more important things like reducing the size of the federal government?
 
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You've posted links and made no points.

I'm not going to argue your case for you.

If you have a case, make it.

Yes they did. They supported my claim, which I've made three times. You've not addressed any of it.
 
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Yes they did. They supported my claim, which I've made three times. You've not addressed any of it.



I have asked you to present what it is you are saying.

You are asking me to cull through your sources to construct your case for you.

Make your case.
 
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I have asked you to present what it is you are saying.

You are asking me to cull through your sources to construct your case for you.

Make your case.

And I have. For the tenth time:

That there is a lot of different scientific evidence that builds a case. You choosing to cherry pick only one brick and ignoring the rest is weak (that's my first claim). Especially when you don't seem to understand even that cherry picked brick.

I linked an article arguing that your side side does just this, and enumerated the list of evidence.

I also claimed that there is a solid scientific consensus on this subject. Linked a few articles to support this.

For good measure, I also linked articles showing various evidence.

Now, my claims are easy to understand. They are well supported. And you have failed to address even one. Feigning ignorance is hardly an effective strategy.
 
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