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Reports: Ex-SEAL/author fatally shot on gun range

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GLEN ROSE, Texas (AP) — Former Navy SEAL and "American Sniper" author Chris Kyle was fatally shot along with another man Saturday on a Texas gun range, a sheriff told local newspapers. Erath County Sheriff Tommy Bryant said Kyle, 38, and a second man were found dead at Rough Creek Lodge's shooting range west of Glen Rose, according to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram and Stephenville Empire-Tribune. Glen Rose is about 50 miles southwest of Fort Worth.

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Witnesses told sheriff's investigators that a gunman opened fire on the men around 3:30 p.m. Saturday, then fled in a pickup truck belonging to one of the victims, according to the Star-Telegram. The newspapers said a 25-year-old man was later taken into custody in Lancaster, southeast of Dallas, and that charges were expected. Link.
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Just damn, Kyle deserved better than this. If guilty, I hope the US Authorities throw the book at the arrested man.
 
I read this guys book and after finishing it I thought, damn this guy is really setting himself and or his family up for murder by Alquiada or any extremist Muslim. It is a sad day though, Kyle was one Hell of a soldier and we all owe him.
 
Are you sure the shooter was the PTSD? What I have read wasn't clear if the second man killed on the range was the soldier Kyle was trying to help.
 
All due condolences to Kyle, and his family....

With that said, is this the tactic now? Gun rights under fire so every single gun incident makes national news to drive the agenda to ban guns? Think about it people, the MSM is trying to shape opinion rather than reporting the news objectively.
 
I wonder if this was a hit? He had a lot of enemies, not only the Alqaeda.
 
bicycleman said:
I wonder if this was a hit? He had a lot of enemies, not only the Alqaeda.
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I just heard on network radio news that this guy was a friend of theirs suffering from PTSD. According to the report, they were trying to help him, by spending time with him I gathered. I don't see it on Google though.
 
MaggieD said:
I just heard on network radio news that this guy was a friend of theirs suffering from PTSD. According to the report, they were trying to help him, by spending time with him I gathered. I don't see it on Google though.
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Well, if that is the case, taking him on the gun range wasn't such a good idea.
 
bicycleman said:
Well, if that is the case, taking him on the gun range wasn't such a good idea.
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Hindsight's 20/20.

What it does flag, that's rather topical, is whether or not he should have been able to own a gun...
 
very surprised when I first heard the news. I thought for sure it was Al Qaeda or the Taliban fulfilling their fatwah. RIP Chris Kyle.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Just heard on FOX the shooter was a guy with PTSD that Kyle had been trying to help, very sad.
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who takes a guy with PTSD to a gun range? Maybe CC can chime in here, but that seems like a horrible idea
 
MaggieD said:
Hindsight's 20/20.
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seems like common sense, tbh. But maybe they were working under the guidance of a mental health professional
 
j-mac said:
All due condolences to Kyle, and his family....

With that said, is this the tactic now? Gun rights under fire so every single gun incident makes national news to drive the agenda to ban guns? Think about it people, the MSM is trying to shape opinion rather than reporting the news objectively.
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Are you saying that the MSM should ignore these events and not report them at all?
 
Texmex said:
Are you saying that the MSM should ignore these events and not report them at all?
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Not at all...Local media often is filled with the local events of crimes for that area that they cover. What I am saying is that the blitz by the national MSM, is clearly pushing an agenda by sensationalizing every gun incident they can find....And in turn trying to lead the sheep to slaughter by making the "evil gun" the problem.
 
j-mac said:
All due condolences to Kyle, and his family....

With that said, is this the tactic now? Gun rights under fire so every single gun incident makes national news to drive the agenda to ban guns? Think about it people, the MSM is trying to shape opinion rather than reporting the news objectively.
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Well..no...actually. Every single incident involving children...sure. Every single incident involving someone pro-firearm...absolutely. But every single incident involving...say...mother that has now lost all 4 of her children to hood violence? No. Black people shooting black people? Perish the thought.

Its all about the victims and how they can be exploited for argument sake. Every tragic loss that CAN be exploited of course WILL be exploited. But the vast majority of deaths in this country? You wont hear a word about them.
 
VanceMack said:
Well..no...actually. Every single incident involving children...sure. Every single incident involving someone pro-firearm...absolutely. But every single incident involving...say...mother that has now lost all 4 of her children to hood violence? No. Black people shooting black people? Perish the thought.

Its all about the victims and how they can be exploited for argument sake. Every tragic loss that CAN be exploited of course WILL be exploited. But the vast majority of deaths in this country? You wont hear a word about them.
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It's the "exploitation" that should be watched closely. Too many today rely on talking point blather, focused, and pushed by today's MSM that is a problem.
 
j-mac said:
It's the "exploitation" that should be watched closely. Too many today rely on talking point blather, focused, and pushed by today's MSM that is a problem.
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no doubt. We are a talking points nation. We have pretty good examples of how parties will promote an idea in a 15 second sound bite, repeat over and over and over and over and in short order, far too many people are nodding like zombies.
 
j-mac said:
It's the "exploitation" that should be watched closely. Too many today rely on talking point blather, focused, and pushed by today's MSM that is a problem.
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This is rather ironic, considering the intirety of the idea you are putting forward is a talking point itsel., propogated by the media.

In your case that media just happens to be unapologetically right wing
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
who takes a guy with PTSD to a gun range? Maybe CC can chime in here, but that seems like a horrible idea
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They actually do firearm therapy and things of that nature. Some PTSD sufferers are always in the state of 'being on duty' - they can't relax, they can't take it easy. They're stuck in mode and always on edge. Or - they have bouts of it, high tension coming and going. The goal is often to try to get sufferers to 'come down' from their heightened persistent state of 'active awareness' - Sometimes they do it in a slow progression - working firearm therapy in with normal living situations. . . and slowly peter out to where it's mostly living and little firearm. For other's it's a routine use of the range in order to get a handle on their breathing / pulse and stressors because being focused on their target is the only time they have a firm grip on their physical self. It's the only way they can relax and eventually they learn to use those methods in other situations such as driving and in crowded places that trigger events.

Its very beneficial to some sufferers - they're not all a volatile time bomb. PTSD affects people in different ways. They can't all be treated the same.

I'm just tossing this in - I'm not really saying this what they were doing, etc - just food for thought.
 
j-mac said:
Not at all...Local media often is filled with the local events of crimes for that area that they cover. What I am saying is that the blitz by the national MSM, is clearly pushing an agenda by sensationalizing every gun incident they can find....And in turn trying to lead the sheep to slaughter by making the "evil gun" the problem.
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I disagree, it is clearly NOT every gun incident, but using very careful selection of the proper perp/victim classes. Of the over 500 gun murders, and countless other shooting incidents in Chicago, how many made the MSM national scene? The emphasis is on the "everyman" (suburban white, young or female) aspect of the victims and/or the "special" weapons used to commit those selected gun crimes. If the perp is a big city thug/gansta and the victim is a big city thug/gansta, that will never justify imposition of general gun control sanctions, or greatly concern 90% of the population (they KNOW how to avoid "the hood"); so even though these are the "typical" gun crimes, they must be ignored to get the desired political result (fear of the suburban masses).
 
Aunt Spiker said:
They actually do firearm therapy and things of that nature. Some PTSD sufferers are always in the state of 'being on duty' - they can't relax, they can't take it easy. They're stuck in mode and always on edge. Or - they have bouts of it, high tension coming and going. The goal is often to try to get sufferers to 'come down' from their heightened persistent state of 'active awareness' - Sometimes they do it in a slow progression - working firearm therapy in with normal living situations. . . and slowly peter out to where it's mostly living and little firearm. For other's it's a routine use of the range in order to get a handle on their breathing / pulse and stressors because being focused on their target is the only time they have a firm grip on their physical self. It's the only way they can relax and eventually they learn to use those methods in other situations such as driving and in crowded places that trigger events.

Its very beneficial to some sufferers - they're not all a volatile time bomb. PTSD affects people in different ways. They can't all be treated the same.

I'm just tossing this in - I'm not really saying this what they were doing, etc - just food for thought.
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Exactly, thank you.

PTSD is not all one thing; there are levels and degrees of it, and every sufferer has different symptoms and problems. Many vets and others who have experienced traumatic events have mild PTSD that doesn't interfere so much with their day-to-day functionality, unless something "triggers" it and causes them to struggle with re-living the cause of their trauma.

I've known a lot of vets, and a lot of them have some degree of PTSD, but not usually to a degree to make them dangerous or someone you worry about.
 
Gina said:
It seems counter-intuitive to me too. As does getting troubled children involved with weapons as a family activity. The Springfield High School shooter (in Oregon) and the Sandy Hook shooters, have that in common and didn't live to see how that activity harmed others.

AS has described a possible answer as to why and how it works, but if that's the case, there needs to be some kind of better protocol as to how it's done.

I hope CC will take a look at this thread.
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If anything, it seems like a complicated enough issue, allowing enough serious consequences, that I would really question it being handled by someone with no professional training, in a rather uncontrolled environment
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
If anything, it seems like a complicated enough issue, allowing enough serious consequences, that I would really question it being handled by someone with no professional training, in a rather uncontrolled environment
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I've read a bit about the victim in a couple articles now, how this was his way of trying to help his fellow veterans, but indeed, there needs to be more control or training involved. I don't know, maybe he did have some psychological training? But if he didn't, others doing the same, need to get some. For their safety and anyone else who would be around that situation at a shooting range.
 
bicycleman said:
Well, if that is the case, taking him on the gun range wasn't such a good idea.
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Apparently, taking vets with PTSD to the range was part of the healing process. From Reuters:

According to a posting on a website run by members of the Special Operations Forces community, Kyle had been volunteering his time to help Marine Corps veterans suffering from PTSD and mentoring them.

"Part of this process involved taking these veterans to the range," said the posting on SOFREP.com.

WFAA-TV in Dallas-Fort Worth reported that the two men had taken Routh to the shooting range for the day to help him deal with his PTSD.

Texas man arraigned on murder charges in shooting of 'American Sniper' | Reuters
 
j-mac said:
Not at all...Local media often is filled with the local events of crimes for that area that they cover. What I am saying is that the blitz by the national MSM, is clearly pushing an agenda by sensationalizing every gun incident they can find....And in turn trying to lead the sheep to slaughter by making the "evil gun" the problem.
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Don't think that is the case. At least not at this point. Fallen military war hero shot/killed in a tragic (semi-novel) incident.

The story is newsworthy.
 
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