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Re: Applebee’s fires waitress who posted receipt from pastor complaining about auto-t

Gardener's just always had a passionate belief that people should live up to what they claim they believe. (So there's no misunderstanding, I'm referring to the pastor's failure to do so here, not you).

I also get the impression that Gardener also has a strong belief that companies should not allow customers to abuse employees.
 
It did nothing of the sort. Anyway, the Pastor said they added the 18% on to the credit card anyway. So the server got her 18% she was hysterical that a patron would have the gall to question her 18%.

Entitlement mentality.

Plus 6 dollars in cash that was left on the table.
 
Re: Applebee’s fires waitress who posted receipt from pastor complaining about auto-t

Which he completely failed to do himself, vis-a-vis, me. :shrug: If the same standard were to be applied to him as is apparently being applied to the pastor . . .

For real, you both are sharp guys and quality contributors to DP. I like and respect you both, so you two better work this out or I will lock you in a room together until you do. :2razz:
 
Plus 6 dollars in cash that was left on the table.

To be fair both claims are subject to scrutiny. If the server got 18% plus $6 I doubt she would have gone as far as she did. It's hard for me to believe she would if she only got the 18% later, but who knows.

I don't trust anything this Christian pastor says, the CC charge should be easily verifiable.
 
A little more on this story, I read where it was a party of 20 who ran up a $200 bill. The portion the pastor charged was probably for 4 people.

Which brings up another question for the servers and ex servers here, if 2 families of 4 come in and sit at the same table, but ask for 2 separate bills, does the autotip come in? If so, what's the difference then those 2 families coming in and sitting at separate tables?
 
I usually tip much better than that so auto-tip me and you are screwing yourself.
 

Guess you've never run a business. No business is going to be in business for very if their employees insult their customers. Most potential customers will avoid a business that employees bad mouth. The employee is cutting their own throat, their co-workers throats and the owner's throat by such manifestly stupid behavior. I'd fire her in a heartbeat.

And it doesn't matter that she was on her own time. She's still acting as a representative of her employer.
 
Guess you've never run a business. No business is going to be in business for very if their employees insult their customers. Most potential customers will avoid a business that employees bad mouth. The employee is cutting their own throat, their co-workers throats and the owner's throat by such manifestly stupid behavior. I'd fire her in a heartbeat.

And it doesn't matter that she was on her own time. She's still acting as a representative of her employer.

i have run a business and to each his own, if the lady wasnt fired it has the OPPOSITE effect on my, if this was my local applebees and she still worked there it would make me WANT to go there and im pretty sure it would have the same effect on the vast majority of my friends. I dont think the customer was insulted at all.

Now again that just my opinion and you have yours but im pointing out the assumptions, guesses and opinions ONLY you are stating bolded above.
 
Re: Applebee’s fires waitress who posted receipt from pastor complaining about auto-t

Seems to me both people involved were working in jobs they hated.
 
If so, what's the difference then those 2 families coming in and sitting at separate tables?

The chances of the waitress getting stiffed on a tip, either by accident or on purpose, increases quite a bit with 8 or more people.
 
I dont think the customer was insulted at all.

So you think that getting harrassed on twitter or facebook is ok from information that can only be obtained by an employee?

Sorry, but I have a big problem with that one there.
 
i have run a business and to each his own, if the lady wasnt fired it has the OPPOSITE effect on my, if this was my local applebees and she still worked there it would make me WANT to go there and im pretty sure it would have the same effect on the vast majority of my friends. I dont think the customer was insulted at all.

Now again that just my opinion and you have yours but im pointing out the assumptions, guesses and opinions ONLY you are stating bolded above.


So you've allowed your employees to bad mouth your business and your customers?
 
So you've allowed your employees to bad mouth your business and your customers?

weird i didnt say that at all LOL

what i did say though is in THIS specific case in another post i would never fire this girl unless under serious legal advice to do so or if cooperate made me, and of course if she factually violated a written policy i would punish her as the policy says.

In this case i see no bad mouthing of the customer or the bushiness.
 
So you think that getting harrassed on twitter or facebook is ok from information that can only be obtained by an employee?

Sorry, but I have a big problem with that one there.

what i said is i dont think the customer was insulted at all, meaning by apple bees or the waitress

what people choose to do on facebook and twitter i could care less about especially to an adult

SO in this specific case i have no problem with it if it was my business but you are free to disagree
 
Re: Applebee’s fires waitress who posted receipt from pastor complaining about auto-t

I also get the impression that Gardener also has a strong belief that companies should not allow customers to abuse employees.

Thanks, T. (and X).

My view is that everything works both ways. If you want people to respect you, then it is up to you to respect them, and this respect has nothing to do with the way you view their station in life. Stiffing a waitress is bad enough unless this waitress was rude and indifferent. Writing a snide note on the check makes the act an "in your face" sort of statement. Getting the girl fired adds insult to injury. When public figures (and this pastor IS a public figure) indulge in such boorish behavior, they almost always do so because they view themselves in one place and the person they are crapping on another. Otherwise, they simply wouldn't indulge in this behavior.

When companies fail to back up their employess and expect them to be the butt of other people's sense of entitlement, they become part of this process. In this case, the waitress was deemed expendable because that is part of the corporate culture. Far too many companies expect loyalty, but they do not give any. I don't go for that, myself, since I figure loyalty in one direction deserves loyalty in another. I tend to be a very loyal person, so at the risk of being called more names by others in this thread, I will say that if I were running a business and this sort of thing happened, I would not fire the person who had been wronged, but explain to the woman who left the snarky note why I value the employee and want them to earn a decent living by working for me -- the sort of decent living denied her when people with an excess of attitude and shortage of class stiff her.
 
Re: Applebee’s fires waitress who posted receipt from pastor complaining about auto-t

That would depend upon what the customer did and what, exactly, was posted online.

I base my behavior on what I consider right and wrong rather than what I consider expedient, and so my reaction would have to do with my gut feeling instead of some calculation on how it might affect my business.

In the case of the Pharisee in question, the waitress only posted the receipt and did not take direct aim at her in any way that was threatening, harassing or malicious. As such, any heat the Pharisee received was from others for her boorish behavior rather than from the waitress directly.

I agree. The reason this 'pastor' was harassed is entirely because of her own insulting actions. Next time, don't be a smartass on your damned receipt and you won't have this problem. The waitress just decided to share your boorish and obnoxious behavior with the public. She shouldn't be fired for that.
 
Re: Applebee’s fires waitress who posted receipt from pastor complaining about auto-t

Thanks, T. (and X).

My view is that everything works both ways. If you want people to respect you, then it is up to you to respect them, and this respect has nothing to do with the way you view their station in life. Stiffing a waitress is bad enough unless this waitress was rude and indifferent. Writing a snide note on the check makes the act an "in your face" sort of statement. Getting the girl fired adds insult to injury. When public figures (and this pastor IS a public figure) indulge in such boorish behavior, they almost always do so because they view themselves in one place and the person they are crapping on another. Otherwise, they simply wouldn't indulge in this behavior.

When companies fail to back up their employess and expect them to be the butt of other people's sense of entitlement, they become part of this process. In this case, the waitress was deemed expendable because that is part of the corporate culture. Far too many companies expect loyalty, but they do not give any. I don't go for that, myself, since I figure loyalty in one direction deserves loyalty in another. I tend to be a very loyal person, so at the risk of being called more names by others in this thread, I will say that if I were running a business and this sort of thing happened, I would not fire the person who had been wronged, but explain to the woman who left the snarky note why I value the employee and want them to earn a decent living by working for me -- the sort of decent living denied her when people with an excess of attitude and shortage of class stiff her.

Great post, G.
 
So you think that getting harrassed on twitter or facebook is ok from information that can only be obtained by an employee?

Sorry, but I have a big problem with that one there.

The employee didn't make anything up. She just shared her customer's boorishness with the rest of the world. Treat people decently and with respect and you don't have this problem.

It is my fervent hope that the fact that this waitress was fired causes even more grief for this bitch.
 
Re: Applebee’s fires waitress who posted receipt from pastor complaining about auto-t

I agree. The reason this 'pastor' was harassed is entirely because of her own insulting actions. Next time, don't be a smartass on your damned receipt and you won't have this problem. The waitress just decided to share your boorish and obnoxious behavior with the public. She shouldn't be fired for that.

What people don't seem to understand is that this is a public figure. What if that public figure were a local news commentator or politician? What if they were of a diametrically opposed political philosophy?

Somehow, I imagine that if most on the left heard about something like this happening to Rush Limbaugh or those on the right heard about it happening to Michael Moore, they wouldn't be so persnikkety about having the snarky note posted online.
 
Re: Applebee’s fires waitress who posted receipt from pastor complaining about auto-t

I agree. The reason this 'pastor' was harassed is entirely because of her own insulting actions. Next time, don't be a smartass on your damned receipt and you won't have this problem. The waitress just decided to share your boorish and obnoxious behavior with the public. She shouldn't be fired for that.

This is just demonstratively false. If that was the case, the pastor would've been harassed even if the waitress had not posted the picture. There's no evidence that such harassment occured prior to that point, nor that it would have. The pastor was harassed due to a combination of actions on the part of herself, the waitress, and those doing the harassment.

I don't have any sympthoy for the pastor for the harassment and it's a strange karmatic type of thing....but the waitress did have a hand in it.

I can appreciate the desire to protect and back their employee that some want, and I'd probably be that way as well in terms of any public issue of it...but at the same time, I'd definitely be taking some actions privately to let her know that it's one thing to be upset at a douchebag customer, it's another thing to take something that is business related with customer info and post it for the world to see.
 
Re: Applebee’s fires waitress who posted receipt from pastor complaining about auto-t

What people don't seem to understand is that this is a public figure. What if that public figure were a local news commentator or politician? What if they were of a diametrically opposed political philosophy?

Somehow, I imagine that if most on the left heard about something like this happening to Rush Limbaugh or those on the right heard about it happening to Michael Moore, they wouldn't be so persnikkety about having the snarky note posted online.

To me it has zero to do with public politics. It has to do with a customers who get harassed even after they lease a restaurant are not good for business. I like water when I eat. When I go out to eat, I still like water. The waitresses who do not get a better than standard tip from me are the ones who make snide comments suggesting I order water to somehow stiff them on the tip. I order water because I like water. I will tip bad service as well as good service, but not bad attitude.
 
Re: Applebee’s fires waitress who posted receipt from pastor complaining about auto-t

No, when you act on behalf of your company/employer, that imposes restrictions. If you did it and blacked out the company and other personal information, it would have been less inappropriate.

Sure the pastor was an idiot, and obnoxious, and should be ridiculed for taking religious stuff out to beat a waitress up and not tip (one could argue ridiculed for being a pastor in the first place too, but no need ot go that far>). The irony of the moral majority acting like a jackass is always with us...what a waste of humanity.

The relevant thing IMO is she's acting on behalf of a major corporation and making headlines. No one here seriously believes that does not come with very serious restrictions and consequences as a result of behavior. I might help that girl get a job or re-hire her later, but I still might fire her. Were I a small mom/pop, I might just reprimand/suspend her, the damage is far less widespread. You should see the relationship here between "big corporation rules" and big government rules. It has to cater to the lowest common denominator. If it were a small shop, it's got a lot more flexibility.

As to eating there, places like Chilis and Applebees in my experience have terrible food and atrocious service. Most of our eating out now is ethnic (med, thai, viet, indian, etc.) family owned where food is fresh and service is...family, or the local gems that earn a reputation for good food and good service. We're a bit spoiled though with some of the highest food/capita, we can be more picky.
 
weird i didnt say that at all LOL

what i did say though is in THIS specific case in another post i would never fire this girl unless under serious legal advice to do so or if cooperate made me, and of course if she factually violated a written policy i would punish her as the policy says.

In this case i see no bad mouthing of the customer or the bushiness.

Fair enough. I think she clearly badmouthed the customer. Effectively telling people in a public forum that the customer is cheapskate is badmouthing them in my opinion.
 
Re: Applebee’s fires waitress who posted receipt from pastor complaining about auto-t

I see nothing wrong with the pastor, he complained about a charge he thinks is unjust. People do that all the time :shrug:

The waitress should be fired as well, she posted his personal info.
 
The employee didn't make anything up. She just shared her customer's boorishness with the rest of the world. Treat people decently and with respect and you don't have this problem.

It is my fervent hope that the fact that this waitress was fired causes even more grief for this bitch.


Dealing with boorish customers is part and parcel of a service job. If you can't effectively do it and if you can't let childish bull**** like what the pastor did roll off your back you shouldn't work directly with customers. There was no need to do what the employee did. It potentially harms her employer's reputation and business which she has a responsibility to protect.
 
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