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Re: Applebee’s fires waitress who posted receipt from pastor complaining about auto-t

I own my own business and that business deals with the public, but when that public acts like a complete jerk, I DON'T leave my employees hanging out to dry. I back them up, instead.

That's fine, if it's all internal. I'd agree with that.

But what would you do if an employee started insulting customers publicly, using your company's name?
 
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I'm not a pastor, just a Christian and I agree with you. I'm not even that critical of the waitress for posting the receipt. If it embarrassed the pastor then she shouldn't have written it. She should be embarrassed and, if she's not, I'm embarrassed for her.
Coach Wooden:
The true test of a man’s character is what he does when no one is watching.
the pastor was exposed as was her (lack of) character
 
Re: Applebee’s fires waitress who posted receipt from pastor complaining about auto-t

That's fine, if it's all internal. I'd agree with that.

But what would you do if an employee started shaming customers publicly, using your company's name?

for me it would simply depend on the the reason for the shaming and what form it took.
 
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Also, we do not know if this was the first infraction that the waitress did. She could have done other stuff and this just was the final straw, we don't know.

That hardly matters. If applebee's has no sort of policy where warning have to be given out they can fire people on the first straw.

This just another thread where people don't support the rights of property owners and the right of association.
 
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I'm going to speak from my heart right now instead of my head.

I loved every bit of exposing this hypocrite pastor. I loved it and hope that pastor was embarrassed as she deserves every bit of it.

I think she should realize that Millions of people tipping 10% to the church (or God as they say) is a bit different than a waitress getting an 18% tip from $34 check. That waitress maybe gets what 1-2 big parties a week if that? Maybe that pastor ought to open up a Math book along with her Bible and learn a thing or two.


Now that I said that....

I understand why the company did what they had to do. I don't like it, but I do understand it.
 
Re: Applebee’s fires waitress who posted receipt from pastor complaining about auto-t

That's fine, if it's all internal. I'd agree with that.

But what would you do if an employee started shaming customers publicly, using your company's name?

That would depend upon what the customer did and what, exactly, was posted online.

I base my behavior on what I consider right and wrong rather than what I consider expedient, and so my reaction would have to do with my gut feeling instead of some calculation on how it might affect my business.

In the case of the Pharisee in question, the waitress only posted the receipt and did not take direct aim at her in any way that was threatening, harassing or malicious. As such, any heat the Pharisee received was from others for her boorish behavior rather than from the waitress directly.
 
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The pastor was a dick, and the Waitress learned a stiff lesson about social networking and the dangers of it in our new interconnected world.

A decade ago, or even perhaps 5 years ago, she shows this to a few friends and that's it and nothing happens.

Now, with how much more ubiquous Facebook has become and how Twitter has blown up and how many bloggers there are now, posting something like this to your wall can percipitate a country wide sweep of that information into the hands of tens of thousands.
 
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for me it would simply depend on the the reason for the shaming and what form it took.

You know what? "Shaming" was the wrong word. I changed it to "insulting."
 
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I'd fire the waitress. Even without privacy considerations it's unacceptable for and establishment's staff to disparage customers.

As for the pastor, you can make a good case for her having committed theft by not paying the gratuity. If the gratuity is clearly spelled out in advance she's liable for it. The restaurant can choose to not make a deal of it - and again in the interest of customer service they probably should - but I'm willing to bet that if they did decide to push the issue she could face legal trouble.
 
Re: Applebee’s fires waitress who posted receipt from pastor complaining about auto-t

The pastor was a dick, and the Waitress learned a stiff lesson about social networking and the dangers of it in our new interconnected world.

A decade ago, or even perhaps 5 years ago, she shows this to a few friends and that's it and nothing happens.

Now, with how much more ubiquous Facebook has become and how Twitter has blown up and how many bloggers there are now, posting something like this to your wall can percipitate a country wide sweep of that information into the hands of tens of thousands.

That's correct; this pastor could end up being harassed by thousands and thousands of people from all over the world. (Wouldn't be surprised if it has already happened.)

She was a jerk, but she wasn't so much of a jerk that she deserves that.
 
Re: Applebee’s fires waitress who posted receipt from pastor complaining about auto-t

That would depend upon what the customer did and what, exactly, was posted online.

OK, so you MIGHT take action against an employee.


In the case of the Pharisee in question, the waitress only posted the receipt and did not take direct aim at her in any way that was threatening, harassing or malicious. As such, any heat the Pharisee received was from others for her boorish behavior rather than from the waitress directly.

Well, I disagree with that (she posted it with an insulting caption), but YMMV.
 
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Yes, she should have been fired as she posted personal information about a customer (the customer's name) that was only obtained by being at work.

There are similar privacy policies with companies about posting personal information about customers.

I have to agree. If she had not shown the name, she would have had an argument. As it stands, she will make a ton of money on the talk show circuit and she will benefit in the end.
Oh, and the pastor is a jerk....................
 
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You know what? "Shaming" was the wrong word. I changed it to "insulting."


The Pharisee's behavior was insulting, and exposing such behavior is not an insult in, and of itself. Had the waitress called her names, this would constitute an insult, but shining a light on the boorishness isn't.

That the Pharisee felt shame is because she was revealed for what she is, and she deserves every bit of it.

People treat wait people like crap all the time, as they do anybody who deals with the public. This stupid notion that "the customer is always right" has been taken to such ridiculous extremes that anybody who has to deal with the public is usually treated with such disrespect that they might as well be an untouchable. I don't buy it. That the Pharisee struts around as if she can treat a waitress in any way she chooses is HER problem, and maybe it's about time she was shamed for it.
 
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The Pharisee's behavior was insulting, and exposing such behavior is not an insult in, and of itself. Had the waitress called her names, this would constitute an insult, but shining a light on the boorishness isn't.

That the Pharisee felt shame is because she was revealed for what she is, and she deserves every bit of it.

People treat wait people like crap all the time, as they do anybody who deals with the public. This stupid notion that "the customer is always right" has been taken to such ridiculous extremes that anybody who has to deal with the public is usually treated with such disrespect that they might as well be an untouchable. I don't buy it. That the Pharisee struts around as if she can treat a waitress in any way she chooses is HER problem, and maybe it's about time she was shamed for it.

Now, hold on. You're making some pretty sweeping assumptions about someone based on what she did one time in one situation. You don't know anything else about the pastor; you're just assuming she's an all-around terrible person. Maybe SHE was having a bad day, too. You don't know.

And that's the point -- the waitress posted this with a snarky comment, and here even YOU are pouring a torrent of hate on the pastor.

If that's the kind of thing you'd want coming down on your customers, in the name of your company, then so be it, I guess.
 
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The Pharisee's behavior was insulting, and exposing such behavior is not an insult in, and of itself. Had the waitress called her names, this would constitute an insult, but shining a light on the boorishness isn't.

That the Pharisee felt shame is because she was revealed for what she is, and she deserves every bit of it.

Very nice Jesus analogy!
 
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Now, hold on. You're making some pretty sweeping assumptions about someone based on what she did one time in one situation. You don't know anything else about the pastor; you're just assuming she's an all-around terrible person. Maybe SHE was having a bad day, too. You don't know.

And that's the point -- the waitress posted this with a snarky comment, and here even YOU are pouring a torrent of hate on the pastor.

If that's the kind of thing you'd want coming down on your customers, in the name of your company, then so be it, I guess.

The receipt posted was the merchants copy. A transaction between the customer and Applebees. It was not the waitresses to post. I would have fired her ass even if it had not become national news.
 
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The Pharisee's behavior was insulting, and exposing such behavior is not an insult in, and of itself. Had the waitress called her names, this would constitute an insult, but shining a light on the boorishness isn't.

So if some husband has an STD, it's ok for the doctor to "shed light" to the public about this guy right? LOL, love it when people try to get "biblical".
 
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The receipt posted was the merchants copy. A transaction between the customer and Applebees. It was not the waitresses to post. I would have fired her ass even if it had not become national news.

That just compounds the issue.
 
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Now, hold on. You're making some pretty sweeping assumptions about someone based on what she did one time in one situation. You don't know anything else about the pastor; you're just assuming she's an all-around terrible person. Maybe SHE was having a bad day, too. You don't know.

And that's the point -- the waitress posted this with a snarky comment, and here even YOU are pouring a torrent of hate on the pastor.

If that's the kind of thing you'd want coming down on your customers, in the name of your company, then so be it, I guess.

Sounds to me that in your world, the word "pastor" acts like some eternal "get out of jail free" card whereby she is not held accountable for any of her actions and receives automatic defense of anything she does.

I did notice that a true Christian in this thread was critical of her behavior, and so your attitude is not universal among Christians. Sure, if you treat religion as if it involves little more than membership in a club, you will then defend anybody you view who is in your club -- ESPECIALLY if they have been anointed with some title -- but at the end of the day what really counts is some of that stuff Jesus taught, and this "Pastor" failed quite miserably in that regard.

Evidently the notion of "doing unto others" is suspended for those calling themselves a "pastor" in your world.
 
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So if some husband has an STD, it's ok for the doctor to "shed light" to the public about this guy right? LOL, love it when people try to get "biblical".


That's funny -- it SAYS "libertarian left" next to your name instead of "authoritarian right".

Was this an oversight?
 
Re: Applebee’s fires waitress who posted receipt from pastor complaining about auto-t

Sounds to me that in your world, the word "pastor" acts like some eternal "get out of jail free" card whereby she is not held accountable for any of her actions and receives automatic defense of anything she does.

I did notice that a true Christian in this thread was critical of her behavior, and so your attitude is not universal among Christians. Sure, if you treat religion as if it involves little more than membership in a club, you will then defend anybody you view who is in your club -- ESPECIALLY if they have been anointed with some title -- but at the end of the day what really counts is some of that stuff Jesus taught, and this "Pastor" failed quite miserably in that regard.

Evidently the notion of "doing unto others" is suspended for those calling themselves a "pastor" in your world.

That's bull****, of a kind you don't usually spew. You're rather emotional here, which is also unusual.

Many times in this thread I said the pastor was a jerk. I even mocked her little note.

But what I say, I base on the fact that every single person on this Earth is a jerk on some days. Do you want to be judged by one of your slip-ups being posted on the Internet, and have everyone and their brother assume you're a horrible, horrible person? That's what you're doing here.

And do you want that kind of hatred coming down on someone in the name of your company?
 
Re: Applebee’s fires waitress who posted receipt from pastor complaining about auto-t

You know what? "Shaming" was the wrong word. I changed it to "insulting."

well its only my "opinion" but again its the same for me because i dont find what the waitress did insulting

the pastor insulted herself
 
Re: Applebee’s fires waitress who posted receipt from pastor complaining about auto-t

That's funny -- it SAYS "libertarian left" next to your name instead of "authoritarian right".

Was this an oversight?

Yes, because privacy policies are "authoritiarian" right? Gimme a break. It says "Undisclosed" next to your name instead of "****ing idiot". Was that an oversight? Yes, I'll take an infraction over that one you dip****.
 
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well its only my "opinion" but again its the same for me because i dont find what the waitress did insulting

the pastor insulted herself

I don't think it's insulting either. What the PASTOR did was insulting. I do find what the waitress did to be inappropriate and most definitely fire-worthy.
 
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Yes, because privacy policies are "authoritiarian" right? Gimme a break. It says "Undisclosed" next to your name instead of "****ing idiot". Was that an oversight? Yes, I'll take an infraction over that one you dip****.

Hope it felt good. :rofl
 
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