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The University of Michigan is accused of kicking an InterVarsity Christian Fellowship chapter off campus because the group requires its leaders to be Christians – an apparent violation of the university’s non-discrimination policy.

University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes

You know, on the one hand, I really resent the implication that being forced to follow the same rules as secular clubs is somehow "hostile" to Christianity... but on the other hand, how perfectly ****ing daft is it to say that a Christian campus club cannot require that it's leaders-- not even its general membership, its leaders to be Christian? That's like telling the German club that it can't require that its members speak German-- or, at least, be interested in speaking German.
 
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University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes

You know, on the one hand, I really resent the implication that being forced to follow the same rules as secular clubs is somehow "hostile" to Christianity... but on the other hand, how perfectly ****ing daft is it to say that a Christian campus club cannot require that it's leaders-- not even its general membership, its leaders to be Christian? That's like telling the German club that it can't require that its members speak German-- or, at least, be interested in speaking German.

Gotta agree with you there.

But yah know I never really understood the need for any of these club things.

Why not just make friends who are similar to you and hang out...

What's all the need for these official campus clubs anyway?
 
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Gotta agree with you there.

But yah know I never really understood the need for any of these club things.

Why not just make friends who are similar to you and hang out...

What's all the need for these official campus clubs anyway?

To be able to easier pull all your money together for the daily visit to the liquor store :prof
 
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Gotta agree with you there.

But yah know I never really understood the need for any of these club things.

Why not just make friends who are similar to you and hang out...

What's all the need for these official campus clubs anyway?


:shrug: I was never into all that stuff in college anyway... but from what I hear, just like frats and sororities, a lot of network-building goes on for future career contacts.

"Lotta times, it ain't what you know, but who you know..." --- Goshin's Pappy
 
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They should all join the GLBT club and overthrow their leadership.
 
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Maybe a better metaphor would be the German club saying their leaders had to be German.

I can understand you point but I think the principal the University is applying is that campus organisations are meant to be unifying, not divisive. They're about bringing students together, not separating them. Obviously Christians should be entirely entitled to have Christian-only clubs and events (as should anyone else) but the University can choose not to support such clubs.
 
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They should all join the GLBT club and overthrow their leadership.


:lamo :lamo :lamo


That would go over like a lead Zeppelin*, no doubt... the screams of outrage would rise to the clouds I'm sure.

"But, but, but.... they're not even GLBT!!!" :roll:



(* and when I say lead zeppelin, I don't mean the good kind, like this Led Zeppelin...)

 
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:lamo :lamo :lamo


That would go over like a lead Zeppelin*, no doubt... the screams of outrage would rise to the clouds I'm sure.

"But, but, but.... they're not even GLBT!!!" :roll:



(* and when I say lead zeppelin, I don't mean the good kind, like this Led Zeppelin...)



I was president of the Lesbian and Gay Society at my uni. We weren't allowed to stipulate that post-holders were gay or lesbian, but there were elections for every post. How many votes do you think the straight candidates would have gotten? Funnily enough, none stood.
 
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I was president of the Lesbian and Gay Society at my uni. We weren't allowed to stipulate that post-holders were gay or lesbian, but there were elections for every post. How many votes do you think the straight candidates would have gotten? Funnily enough, none stood.


Meh, I'm just teasing because it was a funny idea.
 
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:lamo :lamo :lamo


That would go over like a lead Zeppelin*, no doubt... the screams of outrage would rise to the clouds I'm sure.

"But, but, but.... they're not even GLBT!!!" :roll:



(* and when I say lead zeppelin, I don't mean the good kind, like this Led Zeppelin...)



IME, GLBT clubs welcome straight members
 
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I have a friend that goes to that university. I wonder if he's heard about it.
 
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University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes

You know, on the one hand, I really resent the implication that being forced to follow the same rules as secular clubs is somehow "hostile" to Christianity... but on the other hand, how perfectly ****ing daft is it to say that a Christian campus club cannot require that it's leaders-- not even its general membership, its leaders to be Christian? That's like telling the German club that it can't require that its members speak German-- or, at least, be interested in speaking German.

I don't understand, is there a blood test or something to prove you're Christian? Midi-Chlorians?

Or did some wisenheimer join the club and start making noise when they told him to take off the Yamaka?

Seriously, I think this is wrong in so many ways.

On the other hand, Jesus would say a little persecution builds character.
 
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A Christian group can't require that it's leader(s) be Christian? :confused:

Too bad you can't teach common sense.
 
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A Christian group can't require that it's leader(s) be Christian? :confused:

Too bad you can't teach common sense.

That's how Universities display their support for diversity and tolerance.

They're 'all inclusive' sacks of mush.
 
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That's how Universities display their support for diversity and tolerance.

They're 'all inclusive' sacks of mush.

It's ridiculous. If I started a woman's group I wouldn't let a man be the leader of it. I wonder if that would be allowed or if my group would get banned too?
 
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I don't understand, is there a blood test or something to prove you're Christian? Midi-Chlorians?
If you read the actual article being discussed, you'd know that already.
 
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A Christian group can't require that it's leader(s) be Christian? :confused:
A Christian group can require it's leaders to be anything they want. They just can't be affiliated with and supported by the University if their structures are in conflict with the Universities rules. Again, University organisations are meant to bring students together, not divide them.
 
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University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes

You know, on the one hand, I really resent the implication that being forced to follow the same rules as secular clubs is somehow "hostile" to Christianity... but on the other hand, how perfectly ****ing daft is it to say that a Christian campus club cannot require that it's leaders-- not even its general membership, its leaders to be Christian? That's like telling the German club that it can't require that its members speak German-- or, at least, be interested in speaking German.

No what is daft is the fact that the idiots cant tell the difference between a club and a church.

These dumbass hateful progressive elitist morons portray a christian club as some sort of a church when it isn't. It's nothing more than a club no different from any other club. The best part is that clubs are supposed to be private and protected via the Bill of Rights.

The best part of this crap is these "progressive intellectuals" do nothing but talk about discrimination and racism - yeah who is doing the discrimination? oh yeah those with the gigantic pie holes.. These bastards actually think they can pick and choose who civil liberties apply to. Christian no, Muslim yes, white no, black yes, straight no, gay yes.. Like only minorities can have clubs.

These clowns need to be bitch-slapped back to reality because debate won't change their snooty ignorant perspective. They're too stupid to understand and the only thing that will changer their mind is pain. They're ****ing Nazi's.
 
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A Christian group can require it's leaders to be anything they want. They just can't be affiliated with and supported by the University if their structures are in conflict with the Universities rules. Again, University organisations are meant to bring students together, not divide them.

This is a club, no endorsement needed.

You may as well say a bunch of guys cant get together and play video games and call it a "club." Individuals have every right in the United States to get together and talk about whatever they want and call it a club.

This is nothing more than an example of the alleged "tolerant" showing their intolerance.... The simple fact they don't see this shows how ****ing stupid they actually are - that or they're in epic denial about their hypocrisy. I would certainly have more respect if they came out and stated their blatant bias, that's for sure.
 
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University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes

You know, on the one hand, I really resent the implication that being forced to follow the same rules as secular clubs is somehow "hostile" to Christianity... but on the other hand, how perfectly ****ing daft is it to say that a Christian campus club cannot require that it's leaders-- not even its general membership, its leaders to be Christian? That's like telling the German club that it can't require that its members speak German-- or, at least, be interested in speaking German.

Too bad the university can't practice its own policy, and discriminates against an Asian Christian club.....the racist Christian-phobic hypocrites. I think that they should write their representatives and find out how much tax money the university is getting, and work on killing that. They should contact the ACLU.
 
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So much fun reading stuff from some of those who proudly post their ignorance

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-1371.pdf

Several benefits attend this school-approved status, including the use of school funds, facilities, and channels of communication, as well as Hastings’ name and logo. In exchange for recognition, RSOs must abide by certain conditions. Critical here, all RSOs must comply with the school’s Nondiscrimination Policy, which tracks state law barring discrimination on a number of bases, includ-ing religion and sexual orientation.
<snip>
For example, the Hastings Democratic Caucus cannot bar students holding Republican political beliefs
 
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Too bad the university can't practice its own policy, and discriminates against an Asian Christian club.....the racist Christian-phobic hypocrites. I think that they should write their representatives and find out how much tax money the university is getting, and work on killing that. They should contact the ACLU.

I'd sue the university for discrimination. The club would win in a nanosecond.

"How many clubs are on campus? but the Christians cant have one?" - yeah that would be the nail in the coffin.
 
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So much fun reading stuff from some of those who proudly post their ignorance

Are you ****ting me?

Ignorance is saying a Muslim can have a "club" a gay can have a "club" woman can have a "club" Latinos can have a "club" blacks can have a "club" Latin majors can have a "club" but Christians cant have a club...

How does it feel to be a blatant hypocrite?
 
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Gotta agree with you there.

But yah know I never really understood the need for any of these club things.

Why not just make friends who are similar to you and hang out...

What's all the need for these official campus clubs anyway?

[former frat boy]Getting official recognition as a campus organization, at a typical university, provides the group additional benefits that would likely not exist or be more difficult to get if they were not an official organization. Things like reserving rooms or portions of the campus for meetings and/or events, having an office within the student center where your members could meet to interact or store items, or the ability to advertise for your particular interest group through official channels. While one could definitely just get a group of friends together and hang out, depending on the TYPE of group you're attempting to organize and the TYPE of things you're wanting to do a lot can get facilitated better by becoming an official group[/former frat boy]

Actually, great example was at my little University a Freshman during my Sophmore year ended up bringing an extra computer and set up a 24/7 Counterstrike server. Before we realized it, the thing had a good 50 to 100 players on campus that were playing somewhat regularly and a handful more that would pop on occasionally. There were a couple of "lets get a bunch of people to meet at the cafeteria" instances and even one, very strange, instance of what can only be described as "flash mob boxing". End of his Freshman year, he got to use one of the multipurpose rooms in his dorm to stuff a bunch of computers in there and we had our first little "LAN party" competition with teams that was largely just a few of us players that heard about it through playing.

Sophmore year he actually ended up deciding to try and form a "club". By doing so, he managed to convince the guy that ran our IT to let him hold the host machine in the IT offices. Our big tournament that year was actually to be hosted in one of the academic buildings (the main Comp Sci building) on a weekend since Clubs could rent those spaces out. We have each team in it's own computer lab, as well as each having a classroom they could plan things out in before hand. There was a common area in the middle that utilized a large projector screen to display game footage live as people were playing for the other teams and spectators could watch. Because he could now advertise on campus in a more official capacity, we actually ended up getting a team that joined that hadn't even played on the local server and had a few people wander in just for the hell of watching.

Now granted....if a College just didn't bother with "Clubs" and let any student try and do those type of things they currently let clubs use. But that's part of why, in the current system, people may seek to form an official club.

As to this SPECIFIC issue...

Gotta agree with Vik here. I understand the notion and reason for the policy, but a TINY bit of common sense should perhaps be afforded to them.

That said, this should be pretty simple for the club. You do the same thing Anda talked about a GLBT group could do, or what someone suggested a Woman's group can do.....you make leadership something that's voted on. You don't say "you have to be Christian to hold a leadership spot" but seriously, what non-christian is going to get nominated and voted into leadership of a group dedicated to the celebration of christianity?
 
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The rules generally make sense, yes, but they can also be incredibly ****ing stupid if they are applied in a one-size-fits-all manner like this.

What's next, a fascist in charge of the Anarchy Club? OK, that one would be pretty funny.
 
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