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University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus[W: 196]

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Manc Skipper said:
You miss the point like the other ranters. All they had to do was comply with the rules. Other clubs seem to find it easy. They elect the leaders they want, while nominally making the positions open to all.
The idea that a non-Christian would join a Christian club, suffer attending all their meetings, and encourage sufficient friends to join in order to win election to the leadership is ludicrous and more than a little paranoid. Even then, why would they want to do that? It's no more than yet another "Christians under attack" dogwhistle.
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I took a look at UofM's website and discovered that there are already 20 Christian clubs registered and willing to sign up to the rules, as are 2 Jewish, 1 Hindu and 1 Moslem clubs. I suspect this matter concerns a fringe group of fundies who wanted to make themselves into martyrs for the extremist cause. Unsurprising Fox wanted to grant them their wish.

I also noticed that the Intervarsity Christian Fellowship, the one behind the story, is also listed. Hmmm. Clearly they haven't been banned.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Did it ever occur to you that the schools policies may be bias?

Oh no of course you didn't.
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How is having the ability for everyone to hold a position in club a "bias"?
 
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Mr.Nick said:
No the school is just being biased about their club.
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No, they are uniformly applying the rules in a one-size-fits-all fashion. That's the opposite of bias.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
No the school is just being biased about their club.
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No, the schools policy applies to ALL clubs. There is no bias here.
 
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Why do people seem to feel the need to add some victim mentality bull**** to this story in order to disagree with the policy? Seriously.

I disagree with the policy as I think that these clubs should be allowed to have a requirement that their leaders share the ideological perspective of the club. There should be exceptions made when the discrimination is in place to assure ideological consistency between the leadership of the organization and the organization itself. But if there are no exceptions, nobody is being "persecuted" by it.

Pretending that they are being persecuted is the kind of emotionally laden hyperbole that undermines addressing the real issue here, which is that there should be some degree of common sense in the rules which allows for reasonable exceptions to be made.
 
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Deuce said:
Why do Christians think they should be exempt from whatever rules they dislike?

If they don't like the university's requirements to be an officially-recognized club, they should just not bother with that university recognition part and go do their own thing. You know, that whole individual responsibility thing instead of depending on big scary government to promote their group for them. Right?

If my religion requires goat sacrifice, I shouldn't expect that the university would let me do it on campus with official recognition just because it's my religion.

Or they could do what Zyphlin said. Remove the requirement and just vote for Christian leaders. It's not like an atheist was ever going to take that spot.
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I agree with you, however I don't like the fact the university is picking and choosing, especially when progressives get on their soap box and scream tolerance.

Personally I would have absolutely no desire to have a campus club, however this is just another case of elitist progressive moonbats being hypocrites - that's what bothers me. The simple fact people don't see this also bothers me.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
I agree with you, however I don't like the fact the university is picking and choosing, especially when progressives get on their soap box and scream tolerance.

Personally I would have absolutely no desire to have a campus club, however this is just another case of elitist progressive moonbats being hypocrites - that's what bothers me. The simple fact people don't see this also bothers me.
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no. this is another example where a Christian organization wants to pretend it is being treated differently only because it is not being treated differently
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Did it ever occur to you that the schools policies may be bias?
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Sure, it's possible but unlikely based on the policy as it was shown in the various stories. However ZERO evidence of that has been provided what so ever so it's a baseless assumption. What has been evidenced though is that the school actually actively attempted to give them a clear way they could still remain an official club and still, in basically an unofficial sense, limit their leadership to Christians so I'm hard press to make such assumption as that's actually evidence to the contrary in my mind.

I like how you basically completely and utterly ignored the fact you massively failed to understand the significant of an officially sanctioned school club as opposed to just a generalized "club" as in group of people.

Please...do you have any evidence, proof, or actual argument what so ever to suggest that the schools policy is biased?
 
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Mr.Nick said:
I agree with you, however I don't like the fact the university is picking and choosing....
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Is that actually a fact here? It seems that they apply the same rule to every club. How is that picking and choosing?
 
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TheNextEra said:
How is having the ability for everyone to hold a position in club a "bias"?
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Who the **** joins a christian club when they're not christian? Why the **** would anyone do that?

If you're not aware that is a basic Marxist tactic...

My answer to you is I suppose being a member of a christian club would require a prerequisite that an individual is CHRISTIAN!
 
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Mr.Nick said:
No the school is just being biased about their club.
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HOW

You keep making the accusation. BACK IT UP. Demonstrate another club on that campus that has a limitation for leadership based on race, gender, or religion that is still allowed to exist as a club.

You keep claiming they're being "biased against the club" as if it's fact. PROVE it, or for ****s sakes at least give some kind of generalized supporting documentation or argument.

All you're doing is claiming "BIASED! THEY'RE BIASED" and....that's it, other than a make believe scenario that's fabricated entirely in your head and has no relevance to the ACTUAL situation.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
I agree with you, however I don't like the fact the university is picking and choosing, especially when progressives get on their soap box and scream tolerance.

Personally I would have absolutely no desire to have a campus club, however this is just another case of elitist progressive moonbats being hypocrites - that's what bothers me. The simple fact people don't see this also bothers me.
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It's not picking and choosing. There's a set of rules and this one club chose to ignore them.

Every other Christian club on the campus gets along just fine.

Mr.Nick said:
Who the **** joins a christian club when they're not christian? Why the **** would anyone do that?

If you're not aware that is a basic Marxist tactic...

My answer to you is I suppose being a member of a christian club would require a prerequisite that an individual is CHRISTIAN!
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You can do that. Nobody is stopping you from being a member of that club, nor is anything preventing you from starting such a club.

But if you want official recognition from U-Michigan, there's a set of rules you must adhere to. Take it or leave it, the choice is yours and nobody cares.
 
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Deuce said:
Why do Christians think they should be exempt from whatever rules they dislike?
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This represents that "Christians" think they should be exempt from rules no more than 9/11 represents that "Muslims" think that Americans should die.

This GROUP thinks they should be exempt from the rules.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Who the **** joins a christian club when they're not christian? Why the **** would anyone do that?

If you're not aware that is a basic Marxist tactic...

My answer to you is I suppose being a member of a christian club would require a prerequisite that an individual is CHRISTIAN!
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OOOOOOOhhhh nice, already with the "Marxist" label. I was wondering when a rightiy would resort to that one again. LOL

Simple answer to you, if you don't like the Campus policies, don't go there or don't form a campus club there.
 
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Zyphlin said:
This represents that "Christians" think they should be exempt from rules no more than 9/11 represents that "Muslims" think that Americans should die.

This GROUP thinks they should be exempt from the rules.
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True. The other campus Christian groups have no trouble with the rules. Consider my statement updated:

Why do douchebags think they should be exempt from whatever rules they dislike?
 
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Tucker Case said:
Is that actually a fact here? It seems that they apply the same rule to every club. How is that picking and choosing?
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Because that is exactly what they're doing here.

Let me ask you this? how many clubs do they have on campus?

Oh never mind I'll do the research myself once I get back from the store.

If they have one ****ing club that means this is blatant discrimination.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
I agree with you, however I don't like the fact the university is picking and choosing, especially when progressives get on their soap box and scream tolerance.
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Again...where are you getting that they're "picking and choosing"? Where have they allowed a club to have in their bylaws that leadership must be a certian race/gender/religion while disallowing this club? You've yet to show in any way how the university is "picking and choosing".
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Because that is exactly what they're doing here.
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What evidence do you have of that? Frankly, I'm not about to just take your word for it.

Oh never mind I'll do the research myself once I get back from the store.
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Wait, you haven't even DONE the research yet? You're just making all of this crap up and pretending it's true?!?!?! Holy ****! Why on Earth would you think you could have a valid opinion on this then? You're basing it entirely on a foundation of ignorance.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Who the **** joins a christian club when they're not christian? Why the **** would anyone do that?
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Very few people would, which is why there's no significant need to have it in writing that leadership must be Christian and why the university was basically acknowledging that they could still maintain Christian only leadership AND official recognition if they took that part out of their club bylaws.

It's the same reason why white people generally aren't members of a traditionally black fraternity. Not because they're disallowed, but in general they don't join. However the possability IS there, such as Zack Gallifinakis whose a member of Kappa Alpha Psi.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Because that is exactly what they're doing here.

Let me ask you this? how many clubs do they have on campus?

Oh never mind I'll do the research myself once I get back from the store.

If they have one ****ing club that means this is blatant discrimination.
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I already answered this. There are 20 Christian clubs on the official University of Michigan list, including the one allegedly banned. There are also 2 Jewish, 1 Moslem and 1 Hindu clubs.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Because that is exactly what they're doing here.

Let me ask you this? how many clubs do they have on campus?

Oh never mind I'll do the research myself once I get back from the store.

If they have one ****ing club that means this is blatant discrimination.
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I'll research it for you. Here's the link to their list of clubs UoM clubs

Here's their list of religious clubs alone:

Adventist Students for Christ
Campus Crusade for Christ
Campus Ministry, First Presbyterian Church of Ann Arbor (NICHE)
Campus Chapel
A Christian Reformed ministry to U-M students, faculty, and staff.
Chabad House
Chinese Christian Fellowship
Christian Challenge
Christians on Campus
Christ Knox
Episcopal Center: Welcome to Canterbury House!
Good News Christian A Cappella
Gospel Chorale
Graduate Christian Fellowship
Hillel
Hindu Students Council
His House Christian Fellowship
Indonesian Christian Church
Intervarsity Christian Fellowship <----- The One in Question
Muslim Students' Association
New Life Church
St. Mary Student Parish
Students In Christ
University Christian Outreach
Wesley Foundation
A Reconciling Campus Ministry of the United Methodist Church
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All those in Bold are obvoiusly CHRISTIAN groups that University of Michigan allow on campus. However they likely, unlike the one in question, don't have a requirement in their rules that one must be Christian to hold a leadership position or to join the group...thus adhering to the anti-discrimination policy.

That's 16 clear Christian clubs, with a few more likely in there with ambiguous names.

Will non-Christians likely join the clubs? Probably not. Just like it's unlikely a black guy will join an Asian American club or a white guy would join a Traditionally Black Fraternity. But there's a difference of it essentially being restricted due to defacto human nature, and actually having the restrictions placed in the bylaws of the club.
 
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Andalublue said:
I already answered this. There are 20 Christian clubs on the official University of Michigan list, including the one allegedly banned. There are also 2 Jewish, 1 Moslem and 1 Hindu clubs.
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Then they are definitely persecuting Christians. I mean, they are only represented by 5 times as many clubs as those three other major religions have representing them combined. that's just not fair. christian clubs shold represent at least 95% of the total religious-themed clubs at any given school.
 
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Tucker Case said:
Then they are definitely persecuting Christians. I mean, they are only represented by 5 times as many clubs as those three other major religions have representing them combined. that's just not fair. christian clubs shold represent at least 95% of the total religious-themed clubs at any given school.
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Yup. Discrimination, I tell ya! How they'd feel at my old Alma Mater where we had 2 Christian socs: Christian Union and CathSoc. That was it. There was also a Satanist Club, a Wiccan Club and a Norse Pagan society. Mind you, that was the Eighties and England.
 
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