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Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

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Former congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., who was shot in the head more than two years ago during a mass shooting in a Tucson parking lot, opened the Senate Judiciary Committee's hearing Wednesday with a call to action on gun violence.

"Speaking is difficult but I need to say something important," she said in a slow, deliberate voice to the dais of senators. "Violence is a big problem, too many children are dying, too many children. We must do something.
"Americans are counting on you," she said.
- Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

As I was reading the article I came across a perfect example of what I feel the problem is with the "gun restriction" crowed...

Giffords husband astronaut Mark Kelly, added this statement paraphrased...

"Called for legislators to close the loophole that allows private sellers to sell their guns without background checks, strengthen gun trafficking penalties for trafficking, and eliminate limitations on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to study gun violence.

He also called for "a careful and civil conversation about the lethality of the firearms we permit to be legally bought and sold.
"

What does the center for disease control have to do with gun crime? This should worry people as they are trying to use a completely unrelated government body to manufacture, yes manufacture another reason to strip our 2nd amendment rights.

The last highlighted statement is just beyond stupid as far as I am concerned. If I am at the point where I am actually aiming a weapon at someone in defense of my life, loved ones or even property I want it to be as lethal as possible if it has come to that point. So only police and government should have "lethal" firearms?

This whole gun restriction mess is getting out of hand.


 
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What does the center for disease control have to do with gun crime?
The mandate of the CDC, founded under the Public Health Service Act, is for general public health. This includes studying injury and safety concerns.
 
The CDC’s mandate is with public health. This includes studying injury and safety concerns.

It's a high velocity bullet. What needs to be studied? It makes you dead or seriously wounded. I don't need the government to spend money to tell me this. Why does the government want to waist time and money? Because they want to use it as an excuse.
 
Former congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., who was shot in the head more than two years ago during a mass shooting in a Tucson parking lot, opened the Senate Judiciary Committee's hearing Wednesday with a call to action on gun violence.

"Speaking is difficult but I need to say something important," she said in a slow, deliberate voice to the dais of senators. "Violence is a big problem, too many children are dying, too many children. We must do something.
"Americans are counting on you," she said.
- Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

As I was reading the article I came across a perfect example of what I feel the problem is with the "gun restriction" crowed...

Giffords husband astronaut Mark Kelly, added this statement paraphrased...

"Called for legislators to close the loophole that allows private sellers to sell their guns without background checks, strengthen gun trafficking penalties for trafficking, and eliminate limitations on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to study gun violence.

He also called for "a careful and civil conversation about the lethality of the firearms we permit to be legally bought and sold.
"

What does the center for disease control have to do with gun crime? This should worry people as they are trying to use a completely unrelated government body to manufacture, yes manufacture another reason to strip our 2nd amendment rights.

The last highlighted statement is just beyond stupid as far as i am concerned. If I am at the point where I am actually aiming a weapon at someone in defense of my life, loved ones or even property I want it to be as lethal as possible if it has come to that point. So only police and government should have "lethal" firearms?

This whole gun restriction mess is getting out of hand.




The anti-2nd amendment loons probably figure that if the CDC is involved that will give them more leverage in ****ting on the 2nd amendment.
 
The anti-2nd amendment loons probably figure that if the CDC is involved that will give them more leverage in ****ting on the 2nd amendment.

Yes that is my fear.
 
The "lethality" of her shooter's gun was obviously subpar, since she lived. Only a moron would think that the 2A should be limitted based on the potential "lethality" of the gun. We are in liberal land, where the guns that are "lethal" should be banned, the other guns are just fine. We need the CDC to study this "lethality" issue to determine which guns are which. ;)
 
The "lethality" of her shooter's gun was obviously subpar, since she lived. Only a moron would think that the 2A should be limitted based on the potential "lethality" of the gun. We are in liberal land, where the guns that are "lethal" should be banned, the other guns are just fine. We need the CDC to study this "lethality" issue to determine which guns are which. ;)

It is not the lethality of guns that is a problem, it is how many guns there are. The estimated total number of guns held by civilians in the United States is 270,000,000, according to information from here:

Guns in the United States: Facts, Figures and Firearm Law
 
It's a high velocity bullet. What needs to be studied?
How often under what circumstances it goes through people, so as how to minimize how often it happens [in an undesired way].
 
It is not the lethality of guns that is a problem, it is how many guns there are. The estimated total number of guns held by civilians in the United States is 270,000,000, according to information from here:

Guns in the United States: Facts, Figures and Firearm Law
Those are 'legal' guns and guns you have nothing to fear from. What you have to be concerned about is the number of guns in the hands of criminals and the lack of severe sentencing for criminals and you would have to be foolish or braindead to think that people that have no problem gaining access to cocaine, heroin, marijuana and other forms of illegal drugs would be stunted in their pursuit of illegal firearms from the same means.
 
How often under what circumstances it goes through people, so as how to minimize how often it happens [in an undesired way].
Under what circumstances? Like...does the violent offender hold it sideways 'gangsta' style?

You want to minimize it happening (Me too) then throw violent offenders in prison for a loooooooooooooooooooong long time.
 
Those are 'legal' guns and guns you have nothing to fear from. What you have to be concerned about is the number of guns in the hands of criminals and the lack of severe sentencing for criminals and you would have to be foolish or braindead to think that people that have no problem gaining access to cocaine, heroin, marijuana and other forms of illegal drugs would be stunted in their pursuit of illegal firearms from the same means.

There are times when law-abiding citizens decide to become criminals out of a desire for revenge, greed or power.
 
I didn't see Ms. Giffords' "testimony" but I'm sure it was very touching. I do wonder, however, if she spoke at length to the issue of mental illness and how it consumed the young man who shot at her and killed the others.

At the risk of sounding uncharitable, I also find it sad to the point of irritating when a "victim" of a crime goes on to make a career out of that victimhood.
 
It is not the lethality of guns that is a problem, it is how many guns there are. The estimated total number of guns held by civilians in the United States is 270,000,000, according to information from here:

Guns in the United States: Facts, Figures and Firearm Law

Yep with all of those guns out there the number of murders/intentional injuries committed annually with guns is about 60K (and dropping) so for each gun (assuming a different gun per death/injury) that is one gun crime for every 4500 guns. For the 246,000,000 vehicles in the US there were 36K deaths and 2224K injures so that is one death/injury for every 108 vehicles.

FactCheck.org : Gun Rhetoric vs. Gun Facts
 
Under what circumstances? Like…does the violent offender hold it sideways 'gangsta' style?
Things such as what is the relationship between the “violent offender” and the target. Do they know each other? Are they friends? Are they family? Are they the same person? Where did the firearm come from? What kind of firearm is it? What was the intended purpose of the act? What other contributing factors were involved? To what extent was the firearm a factor at all?
You want to minimize it happening (Me too) then throw violent offenders in prison for a loooooooooooooooooooong long time.
You are basing that prescription on what?
 
Yep with all of those guns out there the number of murders/intentional injuries committed annually with guns is about 60K (and dropping) so for each gun (assuming a different gun per death/injury) that is one gun crime for every 4500 guns. For the 246,000,000 vehicles in the US there were 36K deaths and 2224K injures so that is one death/injury for every 108 vehicles.

FactCheck.org : Gun Rhetoric vs. Gun Facts

That website I referred to has gun numbers by country, and we own more guns then anybody.
 
That website I referred to has gun numbers by country, and we own more guns then anybody.

We own more cars too. The fact remains that gun crimes are already crimes, what gun control seeks to do is to make simply having the gun into a crime, whether it is ever used to commit a crime or not. To prevent that you now must pay a 2A rights rental fee to the state (in advance). If simply having to present a valid, state issued, photo ID to vote is considered to be a "discriminatory burden" then how is having to take a class, pass a test and pay a large fee then not a "discriminatory burden" to legally carry a handgun?
 
Former congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., who was shot in the head more than two years ago during a mass shooting in a Tucson parking lot, opened the Senate Judiciary Committee's hearing Wednesday with a call to action on gun violence.

"Speaking is difficult but I need to say something important," she said in a slow, deliberate voice to the dais of senators. "Violence is a big problem, too many children are dying, too many children. We must do something.
"Americans are counting on you," she said.
- Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

As I was reading the article I came across a perfect example of what I feel the problem is with the "gun restriction" crowed...

Giffords husband astronaut Mark Kelly, added this statement paraphrased...

"Called for legislators to close the loophole that allows private sellers to sell their guns without background checks, strengthen gun trafficking penalties for trafficking, and eliminate limitations on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to study gun violence.

He also called for "a careful and civil conversation about the lethality of the firearms we permit to be legally bought and sold.
"

What does the center for disease control have to do with gun crime? This should worry people as they are trying to use a completely unrelated government body to manufacture, yes manufacture another reason to strip our 2nd amendment rights.

The last highlighted statement is just beyond stupid as far as I am concerned. If I am at the point where I am actually aiming a weapon at someone in defense of my life, loved ones or even property I want it to be as lethal as possible if it has come to that point. So only police and government should have "lethal" firearms?

This whole gun restriction mess is getting out of hand.



once gabby gifford became the face - and now the voice - of gun control, your side lost this campaign
 
How often under what circumstances it goes through people, so as how to minimize how often it happens [in an undesired way].

Again most of us who know anything about guns including military and police already know. So again, the only reason is for an excuse.
 
Again most of us who know anything about guns including military and police already know. So again, the only reason is for an excuse.
You ‘know’ based on what data?
 
once gabby gifford became the face - and now the voice - of gun control, your side lost this campaign

That is an insane statement. Do you honestly think her face is going to change the current movement any more than CT did? Of course not. My "side" has nothing to do with anything. Fact...

Gun control advocates are losing support again. Even unrest for any new sweeping changes by Democrats is lagging. So please tell me what difference she made?
 
You ‘know’ based on what data?

Well lets see....

12 years military and x LEO yea I know and people like me know our weapons and rounds pretty well. Just ask me anything you want to know, What round bucks brush better or gives you better penetration?

A little common sense goes a long way. So tell you what why doesn't the government just pay an expert like my self a few million to do the same thing as they are trying to pay the CDC to do? Because they are using it as an excuse.
 
That is an insane statement. Do you honestly think her face is going to change the current movement any more than CT did? Of course not. My "side" has nothing to do with anything. Fact...

Gun control advocates are losing support again. Even unrest for any new sweeping changes by Democrats is lagging. So please tell me what difference she made?


only time will tell which one of us is correct
but i would rather the face of my advocacy be gabby and not the persona of the person who presides over the nra
 
Well lets see....

12 years military and x LEO yea I know and people like me know our weapons and rounds pretty well. Just ask me anything you want to know, What round bucks brush better or gives you better penetration?
That is not the data that is pertinent to public policy and people being able to make better decisions. Think more along the lines of epidemiology type studies.
 
only time will tell which one of us is correct
but i would rather the face of my advocacy be gabby and not the persona of the person who presides over the nra

Yes I agree because the "persona" of someone is so much more important than our 2nd amendment rights. :roll:

I didn't think you had any evidence to support your claim...

Post-Sandy Hook Support for Gun Control Already Slipping - Post-Sandy Hook Support for Gun Control Already Slipping - Hit & Run : Reason.com
CNN/Time Poll: Slight dip in support for gun control measures in last month - CNN/Time Poll: Slight dip in support for gun control measures in last month – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
Senators say Obama’s proposal for gun control has little support - Senators say Obama

I don't think anyone can rest yet, but it is looking better.
 
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