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Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

You have not yet proven to me it is against the law for a felon to apply for and fail a background check.
Geeeeezus.....

Anyone who has been convicted of a felony is banned by federal law from ever possessing “any firearm or ammunition." Specifically a person "convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year" cannot possess any firearm in any location. 18 U.S.C. 922(g)

It is a crime for a felon to attempt to purchase a gun, just as it is a crime for someone to attempt to purchase illegal drugs. Since your claim is that Brady stopped 1.9 criminals from owning firearms there should be 1.9 million arrests, trials and convictions. I have countered that with NUMEROUS sources showing that the reality is...the VAST majority of people 'stopped' are stopped temporarily due to some administrative snafu, failure in paperwork, etc.
 
It IS illegal to be a felon and attempt to purchase a firearm. That WAS your initial claim...remember?

My claim, which I documented with DOJ statistics, is that 1.9 million have failed the background check. What you have not done is prove that failing the background check, and therefore not making a gun purchase, is a crime.
 
Where are you getting your information that all of the 327 you allege simply went down the street and were able to purchase a gun? In addition, where are you getting your information that only 327 out of 60,000 were denied permission to purchase? That's not my experience or perception at all.

Even if true, which I doubt, how many felons and others who would not pass a background did not even try? And why do 1996 statistics matter?
Apparently, your 'experience' is not the same as Attorney General Betty Montgomery's 'experience'.
 
My claim, which I documented with DOJ statistics, is that 1.9 million have failed the background check. What you have not done is prove that failing the background check, and therefore not making a gun purchase, is a crime.
:lamo No...YOUR claim was a one line talking point from The Brady people that has been proven to be bull****.
 
Absolutely, inane remarks about restricting rights, to "save" people when there is no proof that it could save one person, is retarded.
Dancing monkey's don't count as a thorough response.

There is great potential is reducing violence, if we make free association and free speech restricted.
Why not go this route too?

Because then liberals would not be able to call conservatives all kinds of nasty things and visa versa.
 
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Do you think Obama is asking Gabby to come to Chicago? :roll: Bet he is looking to play on this since this Big to do about Gabby showing up in DC to make a speech in front of this Committee fell flat on it's face. We must do something now.....yeah. It's called tell Gabby to quit being a Hypocrit, cmon down to Chicago and yells out ENOUGH!
 
Exactly how many million people in jail would it be before it stopped being a picnic? We already have 1/4 of the world’s inmates, should we be shooting for 33%? 40%? 50%? Higher?

P.S. So these myriad of shootings are occurring in our [picnic] correctional facilities, now?

You do realize that using this stat is rediculous right? Most of the people in our prison system is due to victimless crimes. IE crimes where no violence occured. The majority of our prison inmates are pot heads. Release those people and I would bet that stat would change to about the middle of the statistics board.
 
:lamo No...YOUR claim was a one line talking point from The Brady people that has been proven to be bull****.

Thanks for your opinion Vance!
 
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42-49 people killed for the month of January in Chicago! Wheres Gabby?????

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Course her Bestest Bud as the Chair of the DNC good ole Debbie Wasserman Schultz.....isn't using her at All.....Rights? :roll:

Those murders in Chicago only make it more obvious how lax our Federal laws are. Keep pointing it out.
 
Thanks for you opinion Vance!
"The Brady bill reduced access so far to 1.9 million people that could not pass the background check, mostly felons"

Whoever said that...they were either lying or very very mistaken...wouldnt you say?
 
Those murders in Chicago only make it more obvious how lax our Federal laws are. Keep pointing it out.
Almost as lax...and effective as our 'drug laws', right? :lamo
 
"The Brady bill reduced access so far to 1.9 million people that could not pass the background check, mostly felons"

Whoever said that...they were either lying or very very mistaken...wouldnt you say?

That is shown in DOJ statistics. You have provided nothing yet to refute the DOJ statistics.
 
That is shown in DOJ statistics. You have provided nothing yet to refute the DOJ statistics.
You cant even be honest about your own lies, even when they are proven to be lies by NUMEROUS sources. To recap...you posted one line from the Brady people (and they even told you HOW to use it OMG)...and your one line was refuted by numerous sources. We are done here.
 
You cant even be honest about your own lies, even when they are proven to be lies by NUMEROUS sources. To recap...you posted one line from the Brady people (and they even told you HOW to use it OMG)...and your one line was refuted by numerous sources. We are done here.

Your so called sources are based on your unproven premise that it is illegal for a criminal to fail a background check without purchasing a weapon.
 
Apparently, your 'experience' is not the same as Attorney General Betty Montgomery's 'experience'.

What I was asking was for verification of your statistics. I was not questioning them. I also was wondering if there are any later statistics.

Thanks.
 
Your so called sources are based on your unproven premise that it is illegal for a criminal to fail a background check without purchasing a weapon.
It is illegal for a felon to attempt to purchase or possess a firearm. It has also been COMPLETELY debunked that those that failed are 'mostly felons'. Good thing that, because IF they were MOSTLY FELONS they should have been arrested tried and convicted. Now...back to the Brady Site and see if there is another talking point one liner, complete with instructions of how to use it (BTW...good lord...that has to be the most pathetic thing I have seen posted on this site. Propaganda notes with INSTRUCTIONS??? :lamo)
 
What I was asking was for verification of your statistics. I was not questioning them. I also was wondering if there are any later statistics.

Thanks.
Take it up with her honor. I dont have access to her research...just her statement of fact.
 
That is shown in DOJ statistics. You have provided nothing yet to refute the DOJ statistics.

You have been asked, many times, why this "illegal" activity was not prosecuted, yet have not answered that basic question. We have plenty of laws making abuse (criminal use) of a gun a very serious crime, yet seem to lack the means (or will) to enforce them. Most gun crime occurs in "the hood" and even when committed in front of numerous "witnesses" none can be found willing to tesify; that is the sad truth. The culture of gang/drug violence is the main problem, yet the laws against it require witnesses to identify and prosecute those criminals.

The "easy way", now being sought by "liberals", is to make the possession of an "illegal" gun into a crime, removing the need for a witness, as the LEO alone can testify that an "illegal" gun was possessed by the "gansta". The rub, of course, is that idea requires making all guns be registered to be "legal" and/or permits to "legally" carry guns be required for all "law abiding" citizens. In other words, to catch/deter "bad guys" we need to place as many restrictions and taxes on the "good guys" as possible.
 
It is illegal for a felon to attempt to purchase or possess a firearm. It has also been COMPLETELY debunked that those that failed are 'mostly felons'. Good thing that, because IF they were MOSTLY FELONS they should have been arrested tried and convicted. Now...back to the Brady Site and see if there is another talking point one liner, complete with instructions of how to use it (BTW...good lord...that has to be the most pathetic thing I have seen posted on this site. Propaganda notes with INSTRUCTIONS??? :lamo)

Still nothing to confirm your premise that it is illegal to just fail a background check?
 
Still nothing to confirm your premise that it is illegal to just fail a background check?
People dont randomly perfomr background checks. They fill out this long form when attempting to purchase a weapon, then the background check is done. It is a federal form. The background check isnt done if you answer that you are a felon. If they were felons and had proceeded to the point where they had a background check done, they violated federal law. But obviously from your repeated dodge you know A-your statement that the majority of them were criminals is a lie and B-you also know...they werent arrested and convicted. But then...we also know its not your fault. They didnt tell you what to say beyond a one line talking point.
 
Those murders in Chicago only make it more obvious how lax our Federal laws are. Keep pointing it out.

Yeah and it also points out those Gun Laws all passed have proven to be a failure. Course what do Federal laws have to do with a State that has every type of Gun Law you can think in their play book? The same ones that Obama wants to have put in place now. Where did you think he got the model from. He has been in touch with Rahm Emanuel all this time. For his Emotional Nation Push and looking to play on some more divisions within the country.

Yet Obama can't spare anytime to come here and give a speech in his own alleged hometown.....huh? You mean to tell me that he can waste going to Vegas to give a Speech on Immigration after the Gang of 8 came out and said they have something they think will pass Congress. For his big Photo Op and acting for the Media. Yet he can't come here and talk to the people of Chicago.

He can shed a tear of the kids in Sandy Hook.....but he cant shed a tear for his own here.
 
People dont randomly perfomr background checks. They fill out this long form when attempting to purchase a weapon, then the background check is done. It is a federal form. The background check isnt done if you answer that you are a felon. If they were felons and had proceeded to the point where they had a background check done, they violated federal law. But obviously from your repeated dodge you know A-your statement that the majority of them were criminals is a lie and B-you also know...they werent arrested and convicted. But then...we also know its not your fault. They didnt tell you what to say beyond a one line talking point.

Show me the arrest records of those that were denied purchase under the background check law and were arrested for having just applied for a background check?
 
Yeah and it also points out those Gun Laws all passed have proven to be a failure. Course what do Federal laws have to do with a State that has every type of Gun Law you can think in their play book? The same ones that Obama wants to have put in place now. Where did you think he got the model from. He has been in touch with Rahm Emanuel all this time. For his Emotional Nation Push and looking to play on some more divisions within the country.

Yet Obama can't spare anytime to come here and give a speech in his own alleged hometown.....huh? You mean to tell me that he can waste going to Vegas to give a Speech on Immigration after the Gang of 8 came out and said they have something they think will pass Congress. For his big Photo Op and acting for the Media. Yet he can't come here and talk to the people of Chicago.

He can shed a tear of the kids in Sandy Hook.....but he cant shed a tear for his own here.
Hellz no! Its too dangerous for him to go near those communities he 'organized'.
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Despite, your red color, you are wrong:

In Virginia, high-yield clip seizures rise

So has the confiscation of smokeless powder firing firearms. Most handguns have a greater than 10 round magazine. Tell me when they seize weapons that aren't using standard magazines. This is all just phrasing. High capacity being an arbitrary term not actually being realistic here. High capacity should imply greater than the standard round count, here it just means more than 10. 15 rounds or 13 is hardly high capacity.
 
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