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McCain: Failure To Act on Immigration Could Turn Red States Blue

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McCain: Failure to act on immigration could turn red states blue | The Ticket - Yahoo! News
"The Republican Party has failed to understand to a significant degree the importance of this issue to our Hispanic voters," McCain said during a breakfast sponsored by Politico. "I think the trend will continue of lack of support from Hispanic voters and also as you look at the demographics of states like mine, that means we will go from Republican to Democrat over time."

"We are elected to office because voters think we will help them achieve their hopes and dreams and aspirations for the future," McCain said. "If you have a large bloc of Americans who believe that you are trying to keep their ... fellow Hispanics down and deprive them of an opportunity, obviously that's going to have an effect."
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Is McCain smokin' something?

Or is vote-pandering such a knee-jerk behavior for a politician that they're simply just predisposed to dumbing-down and resultant party suicide?!

McCain could not be more wrong than if he chose someone like, oh, Sarah Palin as a running mate!

Everyone knows that it's the liberal Dems who've been championing amnesty and legalization for the 20 million trespassing, identity-forging, and jobs/classroom/other-resource stealing illegals all these years.

It's the liberal Dems who are the ones who spin situations all out of reason, casting criminal illegals as "downtrodden", "disaffected", and other "minority interests abandoned by the conservative status-quo Repubs".

The illegals know it's the liberal Dems who've been their champions, and the illegals, 75% of whom are of Hispanic-Latino descent, know that those of their race who are in positions of authority in America are predominantly of the liberal Dems.

Here McCain panders to needing to be relevant to Hispanics, as if all American politics nowadays is about race-appeasement rather than the specific geopolitical-socioeconomic details of a particular issue and what's in the best interest of American citizens.

But his pander is meaningless, too little way too late, as the illegals know full well that they are predominantly low-income wage workers, the darlings of the liberal Dems who stump for them, and that the Repubs are and will remain the champions of business owners/management.

McCain must think illegals are stupid.

But it's McCain whose shed tools aren't the sharpest on this one, obviously.

Some say that the illegals, thanks to 75% of them being Hispanic-Latino, are predominantly Catholic, and that the Christian right of the conservative Repubs will draw a "religious alliance" together between Protestant fundamentalists and Catholics, thus compelling via guilt a social alliance that will garner Republicans votes.

But that's simply erroneous thinking.

The economic appeal of the liberal Dems will greatly outweigh the religious appeal of the conservative Repubs, as all the liberal Dems have to do is evidence their existent support of Catholicism! It's that simple for them. The liberal Dems already have the illegals won on economic matters by a landslide. A little effort to bring their support of Catholicism to the media's attention is all it will take to cement former-illegals votes in with the liberal Dems.

And, of course, 25% of illegals are from Asia, Europe, Africa, etc. and their interests are purely economic, not the least concerned about a "religious alliance". They belong to the liberal Dems already; a done deal.

Some also say that the 75% of illegals who are Hispanic-Latino are also Catholic, so they will be opposed to abortion on demand and will thus choose the pro-life conservative Repubs over the liberal pro-choice Dems.

But recent polls show that, what with the growing fame of the 35-year-old hard-science consensus among anthropology, phylogeny, taxonomy, biology, genetics-DNA, organism-life, embryonics, etc. that from conception on the entity growing inside the woman is most certainly a living human, alive as a live can be, more people, if given a choice just between pro-life and pro-choice, now are pro-life and by a considerably larger margin than that by which Obama won reelection. Clearly, in time, both parties will be supporting making abortion safe, legal and rare, that's right, including the liberal Dems. So abortion as an issue to draw former-illegals votes to the conservative Repubs is a non-starter .. and, don't forget that 25% of illegals aren't wooable in this manner, and are only concerned with the economics of the matter.

Abortion is meaningless in this matter .. and besides, isn't McCain pro-choice?! Again, McCain's a rather poor spokesperson-choice in the matter .. not to mention he's from Arizona, you remember Arizona, with their search-and-apprehend-all-illegals law? Illegals aren't gonna trust a word he says!

No, McCain really does have it all backasswards: amnesty and legalization will simply put the Repubs out of business!

It really is a no-brainer.

But the compulsion to pander is so much a part of a politician's warp and woof that overrides their common sense .. and that can only account for why D.C. right now is behaving so egregiously clueless with this amnesty and legalization movement they're compelled to ..

.. Because when you read the reader commentary at the bottom of the linked article, it's like 10 to 1 or greater opposed to amnesty and legalization!

Yes, just read the reader comments -- that's the true story, the true public U.S. citizen sentiment on amnesty and legalization for multi-criminal illegals ..

.. And so if amnesty and legalization occurs, there will be hell to pay in D.C., for certain!
 
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GOP lost 4% from Hispanic vote totals after the 1986 amnesty program. Single issue voters don't exist.
 
McCain is a disgusting liberal who needs to get off the world stage and drift off into a blissfully unaware retirement
 
Ontologuy said:
.. Because when you read the reader commentary at the bottom of the linked article, it's like 10 to 1 or greater opposed to amnesty and legalization!

Yes, just read the reader comments -- that's the true story, the true public U.S. citizen sentiment on amnesty and legalization for multi-criminal illegals ..
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Thank you for my morning laugh. Someone naming themselves after a knowledge construct holding up Internet reader comments as representative of “citizens”.

:lamo Comedy gold.
 
Just think how many new voters the republicants could attract by increasing welfare benefits to all below 500% of the poverty line. Even more could be added if republicants granted amnesty to all felons that stay "clean" for two years! Republicants can try to "out give" the demorats, but then why not simply swap parties instead of morphing into RINOs? What is the political advantage gained by offering a choice between Obama and Obama-lite? McCain and other RINO "politcal geniuses" are simply seeing if "wimping out" and declaring criminals to be "victims" will win over the "moderate" whiners, which clearly prefer the real thing and not the "lite" version. Colin Powell, the new "conservative-lite", will surely get McCains vote in 2016.
 
Dwight said:
Thank you for my morning laugh. Someone naming themselves after a knowledge construct holding up Internet reader comments as representative of “citizens”. :lamo Comedy gold.
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Meaningless, obviously. :roll:

But it does seem to suggest that you support amnesty and legalization .. and that you really are concerned about the large citizen base that opposes it. :shock:

Do you have any meaningful comments that evidence your own knowledge construct?

Or is revealing your position between the lines your singular debate M.O.? ;)
 
Ray410 said:
McCain is a disgusting liberal who needs to get off the world stage and drift off into a blissfully unaware retirement
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Agreed .. only I would change the word "liberal" to "libertarian" as he has all but admitted such.

Not that being libertarian makes him disgusting.

His pander bear behavior, selling out American citizens, is what makes his behavior disgusting.
 
Ontologuy said:
Agreed .. only I would change the word "liberal" to "libertarian" as he has all but admitted such.

Not that being libertarian makes him disgusting.

His pander bear behavior, selling out American citizens, is what makes his behavior disgusting.
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The Republican Party can not win a national election if it continues to ignore the Hispanic vote.
 
Ontologuy said:
Agreed .. only I would change the word "liberal" to "libertarian" as he has all but admitted such.

Not that being libertarian makes him disgusting.

His pander bear behavior, selling out American citizens, is what makes his behavior disgusting.
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McCain is anything but Libertarian....I could care LESS what he CLAIMS to be...his voting record and words disqualify him from being Libertarian
 
We should absolutely listen to McCain. After all, he's an expert in the field of turning Red States Blue

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Hey, I would just try to learn to adapt and improvise if I were you guys. What else can you do?

The world is going in the other direction from where you want it to go. I don't think you can redirect it's course.

Maybe take up a new hobby.

They say if life gives you lemons, make lemonade.
 
John McCain's comments on this issue are an insult not only to conservatives and Republicans who feel strongly about this issue, but also to the millions of Americans with latino heritage. In essense, the man is saying "we should act on immigration now so we can get votes in the future". Totally, in my view, the wrong approach and the wrong reason.

You work on immigration reform and border security because too many before you, including you McCain, sat by and let it get to the stage where your southern border became a seive and 12 million plus people entered your country and took up residence illegally. You work on immigration because the issue has to be tackled and a strong, new direction is needed to ensure this isn't just a bandaid solution and you ignore enforcement going forward.

You should know by now, Senator McCain, that if you do the right thing people will follow you and vote for you and if they don't, well, at least you know you did the right thing. Those people who vote for you because you gave them something or bought them off will drop you like a stone the next time someone else flashes a pretty bobble at them, and then you'll just look like a fool again.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
The Republican Party can not win a national election if it continues to ignore the Hispanic vote.
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Only a liberal would so continue to cynically bait Republicans into commiting political suicide. :roll:

You can keep up the politico act with political-agenda soundbites, but it won't change reality.

The OP analysis is accurate.

So if, sadly, American elections have descended to where it's all about race-appeasement, then the Republicans have only two choices: commit quick suicide by supporting and helping to pass amnesty and leglaization, obviously, or last a bit longer by opposing such a violation of U.S. citizen trust until being a U.S. citizen becomes totally meaningless.

However, there is a third option.

The great citizen sentiment against amnesty and legalization for illegals is being spoken by a great many people who simply didn't vote .. and they didn't vote because both wing-nut parties lacked a centrist appeal, where the great majority of American citizens live.

Approximately half of the citizens eligible to vote didn't vote this past November for President.

That is what scares liberal Dems the most!

Should the great centrist majority suddenly find themselves with a political party that represents them, the liberal Dems are toast too!

Because the great centrist majority in America is opposed to amnesty and legalization for illegals.

And if they suddenly find party support, both the conservative Repubs and liberal Dems will be out of business!

Those commenting at the bottom of the OP linked article reflect the centrist political position on the issue.

Therefore there most certainly remains enough American citizens in America who are not basing their political decisions on race and who are not prone to succumb to race-baiting.

There is still hope that, if the Repubs hold out and block amnesty and legalization, that the half of American citizens who didn't vote in the election will find a party voice support .. and squash amnesty and legalization for good. :cool:
 
CanadaJohn said:
You should know by now, Senator McCain, that if you do the right thing people will follow you and vote for you and if they don't, well, at least you know you did the right thing.
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Though I agreed with your entire post, I've singled this part of it out because of how huge it is, not only in expressing the kind of representatives the people, citizens of our country, want and can really respect, but because it presents the kind of representative that can persuade the scores of millions of eligible voters who didn't vote this past November to lose their jading and become part of the American political process.

Huge, huge, huge!
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
The Republican Party can not win a national election if it continues to ignore the Hispanic vote.
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What makes you think that a "bipartisan" agreement will switch anyone's vote from demorat to republicant? Explain that please.
 
AreteCourage said:
McCain is anything but Libertarian....I could care LESS what he CLAIMS to be...his voting record and words disqualify him from being Libertarian
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Yes, despite what he claims to be, McCain has always been a strange waffling hodge-podge .. and I've wondered what it is that Arizonians see in him, like maybe his survivalist demeanor or something. :confused:
 
Ontologuy said:
Yes, despite what he claims to be, McCain has always been a strange waffling hodge-podge .. and I've wondered what it is that Arizonians see in him, like maybe his survivalist demeanor or something. :confused:
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I don't understand a lot about Arizona in politics...you got that batsh*t crazy sheriff running around putting people in pink jump suits, John McCain, and a lot of other situations.

McCain was liked for his "Maverick" identity. He lost that when he ran for president.

His stances on foreign policy make him way too far right to be Libertarian.
 
Ontologuy said:
Do you have any meaningful comments that evidence your own knowledge construct?
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Beyond the rock solid and entirely relevant one that a small collection of self-selected Internet ranters on some given website hardly works as a representative sampling of the whole country (“citizens” only, or otherwise), which you then dismissed out of hand? Yes I do.

But I thought I’d start with that one because as I said I found it the funniest. Your post was jam packed with cluelessness, so baby steps seemed in order! :D
 
Ontologuy said:
McCain: Failure to act on immigration could turn red states blue | The Ticket - Yahoo! News
Is McCain smokin' something?

Or is vote-pandering such a knee-jerk behavior for a politician that they're simply just predisposed to dumbing-down and resultant party suicide?!

McCain could not be more wrong than if he chose someone like, oh, Sarah Palin as a running mate!

Everyone knows that it's the liberal Dems who've been championing amnesty and legalization for the 20 million trespassing, identity-forging, and jobs/classroom/other-resource stealing illegals all these years.

It's the liberal Dems who are the ones who spin situations all out of reason, casting criminal illegals as "downtrodden", "disaffected", and other "minority interests abandoned by the conservative status-quo Repubs".

The illegals know it's the liberal Dems who've been their champions, and the illegals, 75% of whom are of Hispanic-Latino descent, know that those of their race who are in positions of authority in America are predominantly of the liberal Dems.

Here McCain panders to needing to be relevant to Hispanics, as if all American politics nowadays is about race-appeasement rather than the specific geopolitical-socioeconomic details of a particular issue and what's in the best interest of American citizens.

But his pander is meaningless, too little way too late, as the illegals know full well that they are predominantly low-income wage workers, the darlings of the liberal Dems who stump for them, and that the Repubs are and will remain the champions of business owners/management.

McCain must think illegals are stupid.

But it's McCain whose shed tools aren't the sharpest on this one, obviously.

Some say that the illegals, thanks to 75% of them being Hispanic-Latino, are predominantly Catholic, and that the Christian right of the conservative Repubs will draw a "religious alliance" together between Protestant fundamentalists and Catholics, thus compelling via guilt a social alliance that will garner Republicans votes.

But that's simply erroneous thinking.

The economic appeal of the liberal Dems will greatly outweigh the religious appeal of the conservative Repubs, as all the liberal Dems have to do is evidence their existent support of Catholicism! It's that simple for them. The liberal Dems already have the illegals won on economic matters by a landslide. A little effort to bring their support of Catholicism to the media's attention is all it will take to cement former-illegals votes in with the liberal Dems.

And, of course, 25% of illegals are from Asia, Europe, Africa, etc. and their interests are purely economic, not the least concerned about a "religious alliance". They belong to the liberal Dems already; a done deal.

Some also say that the 75% of illegals who are Hispanic-Latino are also Catholic, so they will be opposed to abortion on demand and will thus choose the pro-life conservative Repubs over the liberal pro-choice Dems.

But recent polls show that, what with the growing fame of the 35-year-old hard-science consensus among anthropology, phylogeny, taxonomy, biology, genetics-DNA, organism-life, embryonics, etc. that from conception on the entity growing inside the woman is most certainly a living human, alive as a live can be, more people, if given a choice just between pro-life and pro-choice, now are pro-life and by a considerably larger margin than that by which Obama won reelection. Clearly, in time, both parties will be supporting making abortion safe, legal and rare, that's right, including the liberal Dems. So abortion as an issue to draw former-illegals votes to the conservative Repubs is a non-starter .. and, don't forget that 25% of illegals aren't wooable in this manner, and are only concerned with the economics of the matter.

Abortion is meaningless in this matter .. and besides, isn't McCain pro-choice?! Again, McCain's a rather poor spokesperson-choice in the matter .. not to mention he's from Arizona, you remember Arizona, with their search-and-apprehend-all-illegals law? Illegals aren't gonna trust a word he says!

No, McCain really does have it all backasswards: amnesty and legalization will simply put the Repubs out of business!

It really is a no-brainer.

But the compulsion to pander is so much a part of a politician's warp and woof that overrides their common sense .. and that can only account for why D.C. right now is behaving so egregiously clueless with this amnesty and legalization movement they're compelled to ..

.. Because when you read the reader commentary at the bottom of the linked article, it's like 10 to 1 or greater opposed to amnesty and legalization!

Yes, just read the reader comments -- that's the true story, the true public U.S. citizen sentiment on amnesty and legalization for multi-criminal illegals ..

.. And so if amnesty and legalization occurs, there will be hell to pay in D.C., for certain!
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McRino is just another piece of **** pro-illegal ass kisser who would sell out his own country if it meant he could stay in power longer.


Personally if I was an American of Hispanic decent I would thoroughly pissed off at the assumption by pro-illegal scum who try to label all Hispanics and being for illegal immigration.Its like saying all blacks love chicken,all jews are greedy, white people have flat bottoms or some other racial stereotype.
 
Two things about this thread crack me up. First, that O-guy calls himself a centrist. Second, that the priority for so many is simply to keep their party in power, not to take the country in the correct direction, whatever that direction is. The characterization is that moves to find a legal place for illegal immigrants are simply an attempt to shift the balance of power farther towards Democrats. The discussion is NOT about whether or not it is the right thing to do. It is only about which party is more able to dominate the government. Shouldn't a move like this, and indeed political ideologies, be discussed based on their merits, rather than their use in power grabs?
 
Dwight said:
Beyond the rock solid and entirely relevant one that a small collection of self-selected Internet ranters on some given website hardly works as a representative sampling of the whole country (“citizens” only, or otherwise), which you then dismissed out of hand? Yes I do. But I thought I’d start with that one because as I said I found it the funniest. Your post was jam packed with cluelessness, so baby steps seemed in order! :D
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Translation: "I, Dwight, am pro- amnesty and legalization, and when I encounter solid fact-based evidence that amnesty and legalization is the wrong thing to do by American citizens, I can't handle the facts, so I resort to ad homs directed at those who present the truth."

:roll:

Your ad hom derogatory statement about "baby steps" is excuse-speak for not wanting to reveal explicitly where you stand and why.

I'm waiting ...
 
Look, conservatives, being in favor of immigration reform doesn't mean someone is "pro-illegal." The reason we have so many illegal immigrants in this country is because our immigration policy is completely ridiculous. It takes years, thousands of dollars in legal fees, and is sometimes literally impossible.

But hey, keep talking about hispanics as if they vote only based on handouts. I'm sure that really appeals to them and will help your electoral odds in the future. :lamo

I mean jeez, nobody's expecting you to give them handouts, but if you would just stop talking about them as if they are less than human, maybe they'd hate you less?
 
Deuce said:
Look, conservatives, being in favor of immigration reform doesn't mean someone is "pro-illegal." The reason we have so many illegal immigrants in this country is because our immigration policy is completely ridiculous. It takes years, thousands of dollars in legal fees, and is sometimes literally impossible.

But hey, keep talking about hispanics as if they vote only based on handouts. I'm sure that really appeals to them and will help your electoral odds in the future. :lamo

I mean jeez, nobody's expecting you to give them handouts, but if you would just stop talking about them as if they are less than human, maybe they'd hate you less?
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The problem is using the "package" approach. It always works the same way, the "good" parts get done, the "hard" parts get ignored and the resulting "amnesty" insures the need for more immigration reform. Start with making the border actually secure and requiring verification of ALL employees/employers compliance. With that done, you are left with ONLY unemployed illegal aliens and employers requesting LEGAL guest workers. The talk of "taxation" and "fines" implys that the illegal aliens can and will work even "after reform", which was the entire point of why most folks agreed that immigration reform was needed to begin with, to prevent that nonsense.
 
Paschendale said:
Two things about this thread crack me up. First, that O-guy calls himself a centrist.
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The vast majority of centrists are opposed to amnesty and legalization for illegals.

So, with that fact in mind, and since nothing else was in evidence today in this thread, I'm curious what spiked your sense of humor about me being a centrist.


Paschendale said:
Second, that the priority for so many is simply to keep their party in power, not to take the country in the correct direction, whatever that direction is. The characterization is that moves to find a legal place for illegal immigrants are simply an attempt to shift the balance of power farther towards Democrats. The discussion is NOT about whether or not it is the right thing to do. It is only about which party is more able to dominate the government. Shouldn't a move like this, and indeed political ideologies, be discussed based on their merits, rather than their use in power grabs?
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It appears we're complaining about the same thing.

Both wing-nut parties are pander-jockeying for illegals votes after they become legalized, which they do considering only that their party needs to remain in power, and not at all considering what is best for current U.S. citizens and legal immigrants.

The fact is that the Dems have an advantage in this power-grab and that Republicans are commiting suicide by being complicit with it and not otherwise, which is what the OP's criticism of McCain's "Republicans will survive well if they support amnesty and legalization" is all about.

Thus the focus is on the McCain's and the Repub's erroneous thinking, and not so much on what is "right or wrong" by American citizens .. though it is crystal clear that unethically/immorally granting amnesty and legalization to 20 million trespassers, identify-forgers and jobs/classrooms/other-resources stealers of American citizen belongings is the wrong thing to do in every way.

I agree, that this issue should be presented with respect to what is right by American citizens.

But the fact remains, the relevant fact in play right now in D.C., that the reason so many Benedict Arnold representatives on both wings of the aisle are stumping for amnesty and legalization is because they want the power and they could care less about what is right by American citizens. :shock:

That makes their power-grab discussion-worthy .. and criticism of their behavior legitimate.

If they had no power to gain from their pandering, if they realized that "the Prussians are in the woods" and their current behavior could cost them both dearly in power, they'd be calling for deportation of all illegals left and right! :cool:
 
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