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Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

But you would be creating a false dichotomy again, because the possibilities are not simply nothing happened and genocide. Also you haven't even reviewed the program that you are attempting to critique. You are simply dismissing it out of hand. hardly an intellectual position that stands on it's own merits

I allowed for several "possibilities", among them:

1. State genocide.
2. Genocide by a group of Israelis.
3. TV show is BS.


You refuse to differenciate between those, no matter any amount of education, logic or reason.
 
IMO that (the bolded part) better describes those who want to believe the worst about Israel.

I know. That's why you've been trying to play "Gotcha!" with me and not digsbe who said the same thing essentially about people who believe anything bad about Israel. There are two sides that are equally bad. Then there are people who not like that who get accused of being like that as an automatic rebuttal.
 
Occam's Razor


which is the most likely scenario going on here?

attempt at mass genocide, or administrative error?
 
Now you pay close attention, as I am going to type and post this at normal speed, and I do not want you to miss what you already did.

Your position was already addressed.

Good grief is right!
Contraception is different from sterilization. Far, far different.
And you don't think it matters?
You don't think it matters to get the story straight instead of trying to make the base allegations appear more nefarious?

"Good grief" is right!

You should try to keep the information correct, regardless of the side you take in an issue.


Btw, where was it alleged that they were misrepresenting the substance?
You mean the comment about taking actual immunizations? That one?
If it was that one you should have read slower, as it was about immunizations.
Or are you talking about something else?

What are you talking about?
 
Occam's Razor


which is the most likely scenario going on here?

attempt at mass genocide, or administrative error?

false dichotomy
 
What are you talking about?
I guess typing at normal speed didn't help huh?
Was it to fast for you?


The question was what are you talking about?

... the Israeli Government is misrepresenting the purpose and the substance ...

What is this misrepresentation you are speaking about?
 
Actually, if I recall correctly (feel free to quote the relevant material if I am wrong), someone (ecofarm I believe) correctly pointed out immunizations would be part of any relocation program. That doesn't mean the individuals in question weren't also given depo under the guise of an immunization
Doesn't mean they were either.
Nor would it explain them getting it every three months once here.
But choosing to get it would.
 
I guess typing at normal speed didn't help huh?
Was it to fast for you?


The question was what are you talking about?


What is this misrepresentation you are speaking about?

They allegedly may have misrepresent the depo as an immunization.

Did you miss the "Morning Sickness immunization" joke? :lol:
 
Doesn't mean they were either..

No **** (i never indicated to the contrary and have been stressing the lack of evidence, either way, since this thread started). But I am not sure back tracking on your original claim and challanging an assertion I never made does much for your argument.
 
PS also, the ignorence and misunderstanding cited as the original mechanism of deception could certainly explain later injections, as well.
 
They allegedly may have misrepresent the depo as an immunization.

Did you miss the "Morning Sickness immunization" joke? :lol:
I guess you missed my reply to that which was above your post.


Nor would it explain them getting it every three months once here.
But choosing to get it would.


I am sure you understand "once here" don't you?


Learn to differentiate. That would have been in the transit camps.

“They [medical staff] told us they are inoculations. We took it every three months. We said we didn’t want to.” It is alleged that some of the women were forced or coerced to take the drug while in transit camps in Ethiopia.
 
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No **** (i never indicated to the contrary and have been stressing the lack of evidence, either way, since this thread started). But I am not sure back tracking on your original claim and challanging an assertion I never made does much for your argument.
I think you are confused. No, strike that, I am sure of it.
 
I know. That's why you've been trying to play "Gotcha!" with me and not digsbe who said the same thing essentially about people who believe anything bad about Israel. There are two sides that are equally bad. Then there are people who not like that who get accused of being like that as an automatic rebuttal.

Alright, let's look at your comment again;

It's pretty sad how people refuse to believe anything negative about the Israeli government. As if their government was any more honest than any other government.

What or who specifically were you reacting to, in this thread, that prompted that post if it was not the people who didn't immediately accept the story as true?
 
Hence, any comment about a "complex history" is irrelevant to my comment of them being accepted and the unlikelihood that a government would accept them only to purposely sterilize them?
To believe such is beyond absurdity.

Not really, because aliyah, and the policy on aliyah, has been an ongoing process open to numerous policy changes over the years, and faces strong opposition in various circles, even political ones ...Not to mention, a willingness to accept them in aliyah does not translate into a willingness to accept a large population explosion from that demographic
 
Yep, you got me. I'm a Nazi and a member of Hamas.

Yep, that's it....

Noooo, I doubt that. Maybe you just got caught up in the hype of an outrageous TV show story and shoulda waited at least until CNN or BBC picked it up? It could happen to anyone. Well, not me, but you get the point.
 
As I expected, you are simply unable to accept that Israel is anything less than perfect. It's either partisan blinders or you live in a completely different reality than the rest of us do.
I think that would be your personal biases speaking.
Here is why ...
You have yet to show that Israel actually did anything wrong.
All you have are allegations of which you apparently wish to glom onto.
Something is wrong with that. To me that sounds awfully like the Israel can do nothing right camp.

Like I said.
You are accepting an allegation.

Their word indicated that the administrators need to make sure there is no misunderstanding.
That may mean that there was some misunderstanding before. Not that something was purposely done wrongly, or forced, or anything of the sort.
Which means that it wasn't a tacit admission of wrong doing at all.
(cough) Absolute crap (cough)

Let's assume for a second that this story came out and it was the United States government. In other words, change the word "Israel" to "Obama." What would you be saying?

I guess you hate America then.
Yes your comment was absolute crap. Just as your current edited version is as well.
Yep, you got me. I'm a Nazi and a member of Hamas.

Yep, that's it....
If you say so!​
 
Noooo, I doubt that. Maybe you just got caught up in the hype of an outrageous TV show story and shoulda waited at least until CNN or BBC picked it up? It could happen to anyone. Well, not me, but you get the point.


Well you're just so much more superior than the rest of us.

I don't even know that it's true, I'm just sick of the reflexive defense of Israel. If they nuked New York, it wouldn't even phase these guys.
 
Not really, because aliyah, and the policy on aliyah, has been an ongoing process open to numerous policy changes over the years, and faces strong opposition in various circles, even political ones ...Not to mention, a willingness to accept them in aliyah does not translate into a willingness to accept a large population explosion from that demographic
:doh
Yes really! "To believe such is beyond absurdity."
 
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