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Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

I guess it never happened.
Oy vey!
Something may have happened.
It is the actual facts as to what happened as well as the interpretations of them.
You do understand that, right?


Just so I get this straight, and investigative report turned up the evidence, Israel denied it, when shown more proof they admitted it and THEN changed their policy.
You seem not to understand that the statement points to their possibly being a misunderstanding.

Which this could be from the get.
A misunderstanding where those treated thought they had to take the injections.
And not something nefarious.

Show otherwise, if not, spare us the hyperbole and Jew hatred and wait for more information.
 
"Today, there are 81,000 Ethiopian Israelis who were born in Ethiopia, while 38,500 or 32% of the community are native born Israelis."

The "aliyah" of Beta Israel (notice they're not called Alpha Israel, from the get go they were designated second class Jews) operated in the '70's, '80's and into the '90's. In all that time from 1970 their reproduction results are 50%. One child for every couple from between 20-40 years.

Why did it take so long to uncover this tragedy?
 
It's temporary sterilization. (sterilization does not need to be permanent in order to be sterlization)

And if it was done without the consent of those who were temporarily sterlized, it doesn't matter what intellectual acrobatics one goes through to justify the action, it's simply wrong.
Really?
You want to engage in some sort of semantics.
It wasn't sterilization as it does not make the person sterile.
 
Oy vey!
Something may have happened.
It is the actual facts as to what happened as well as the interpretations of them.
You do understand that, right?



You seem not to understand that the statement points to their possibly being a misunderstanding.

Which this could be from the get.
A misunderstanding where those treated thought they had to take the injections.
And not something nefarious.

Show otherwise, if not, spare us the hyperbole and Jew hatred and wait for more information.

The only misunderstanding is among Israel apologists.
 
Really?
You want to engage in some sort of semantics.
It wasn't sterilization as it does not make the person sterile.

Okay, it wasn't permanent sterilization.

How does that change the story?
 
Really?
You want to engage in some sort of semantics.
It wasn't sterilization as it does not make the person sterile.

seems the program made them "incapable of reproduction." on a temporary basis. And being that the definition of sterilization is "any procedure by which an individual is made incapable of reproduction" it seems like a good fit

sterilization - definition of sterilization in the Medical dictionary - by the Free Online Medical Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Or would you prefer "the chemical prevention of reproduction" to just be difficult?
 
Yeah, and the media assertion that Israel sterilized 100,000 without their consent and them knowing based off of media sources is entirely accurate and should be accepted :roll:

People with a bias against Israel or a desire to believe that they are an evil nation will accept anything from any source that is critical of the nation without digging any deeper and trying to find facts without the spin associated with it.


Considering who started the thread, I wouldn't worry about it. Then 2 responses from pretty solid conservatives saying it was wrong...

I'm just saying that at first that's exactly what I expected from the thread, but then I read it and saw that wasn't it.
 
Israel Admits ‘Shameful’ Birth Control Drug Injected in Unaware Ethiopian Jews

Israel Admits

The Israeli government has tacitly acknowledged injecting Ethiopian women immigrating to Israel with a long-acting contraceptive without their knowledge, telling them they couldn't come into the country if they didn't take the shot, which the women thought was a vaccination.

Many have called the practice appallingly racist.

The shots are being blamed for a 50 percent drop in the birth rate in Israel's Ethiopian community over the past decade.

There are about 120,000 Jews of Ethiopian origin living in Israel, about a third of them born in Israel. There have long been conspiracy theories circulating about forced sterilization. But after a documentary aired last month on Israel's Educational Network, Health Ministry Director General Ron Gamzu has banned Israel's health maintenance organizations from injecting Ethiopian women with the contraceptive Depo-Provera.

CRAP! WE GOT CAUGHT!
 
Notice the word games the supporters of this heinous policy of the State of Israel employ.

Well, it WASN'T sterilization! (no, it was forced birth control, like it makes a difference).

It was TEMPORARY sterilization...oops, I mean birth control!

PROVE it was done without their consent! ("It's just an inoculation. If you want entry into Israel you HAVE to take this or you won't be admitted, we don't need a bunch of darkies running around the Temple. TAKE THE RED PILL MOFO OR YOU'RE GOING BACK TO YOUR MUD HUT!")
You have yet to show that it was actually forced.
You have yet to show that an actual policy existed to force such.
All you have shown is your propensity to engage in hyperbole for nefarious purposes.


The only misunderstanding is among Israel apologists.
Like I said, "for nefarious purposes".
 
seems the program made them "incapable of reproduction." on a temporary basis. And being that the definition of sterilization is "any procedure by which an individual is made incapable of reproduction" it seems like a good fit

sterilization - definition of sterilization in the Medical dictionary - by the Free Online Medical Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Or would you prefer "the chemical prevention of reproduction" to just be difficult?
So while they were injected with these shots they had the ability to reproduce?
We are speaking biology folks. This isn't hard.
They were not rendered sterile at all.

1 a process or act that renders a person unable to produce children. See also hysterectomy, tubal ligation, vasectomy.

They were and still are able to "produce" children.
They were not sterilized.
 
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We are speaking biology folks. This isn't hard.

Which is why I cited a medical dictionary ...


a process or act that renders a person unable to produce children

did the process leave them "unable to produce children"? Yes, on a temporary basis. Hence "temporary sterilization".

Not sure how this really speaks to the issue though
 
For many developing world women, reproductive control is a difficult thing. Men have control in households and taking a pill each day might not fly. As these women are aware of the impacts of having many children, they are desperate for a way to control their lives and the lives of their children. Under such circumstance, I can see two things possibly happening:

1. The woman take the shot because they know they do not need another child, at least not so close to another birth, and their husband will not go along with daily pills.
2. The women feign ignorance when asked during what would become a public investigation, to excuse their actions from their husbands.


Now, maybe Israel did sterilize immigrants out of racism and state purity, but the above explanation has at least as much chance of being the driving force.
 
It's pretty sad how people refuse to believe anything negative about the Israeli government. As if their government was any more honest than any other government.
 
Theres more...

It was decided that the Israeli Law of Return applied to the Beta Israel in March 14, 1977 after a Halakhic and constitutional discussions.[7] The Israeli and American governments have mounted aliyah operations, most notably during Operation Brothers in Sudan between 1979-1990 (which includes the major operations Moses and Joshua)[8] and in the 1990s from Addis Ababa (which includes Operation Solomon).

The related Falash Mura are the descendants of Beta Israel who converted to Christianity. Some are returning to the practices of Judaism, living in communities and returning to Judaism. Beta Israel spiritual leaders, including Liqa Kahnet Raphael Hadane have argued for the acceptance of the Falash Mura as Jews.[9] The Israeli government applied to the Falash Mura the resolution 2948 in February 16, 2003 which gives those who are descendants from Jewish mothers lineage the right to emigrate to Israel under the Entry Law and to obtain citizenship only if they converted to Orthodox Judaism.[[/B]10] This resolution is a matter of controversy within Israeli society.[11][12][13][14]

Nice.

"Okay, we admit you might be some kind of Jew but you have to give up your christianity if you want to come to Israel because not only do we not want a bunch of half Jew darkies running around the Temple, we certainly don't want any darkie Christians."
 

We are speaking biology folks. This isn't hard.
They were not rendered sterile at all.

1 a process or act that renders a person unable to produce children. See also hysterectomy, tubal ligation, vasectomy.

They were and still are able to "produce" children.
They were not sterilized.

A person cannot produce children whilst they are rendered infertile through chemical means.
 
Israel Admits ‘Shameful’ Birth Control Drug Injected in Unaware Ethiopian Jews

Israel Admits

The Israeli government has tacitly acknowledged injecting Ethiopian women immigrating to Israel with a long-acting contraceptive without their knowledge, telling them they couldn't come into the country if they didn't take the shot, which the women thought was a vaccination.

Many have called the practice appallingly racist.

The shots are being blamed for a 50 percent drop in the birth rate in Israel's Ethiopian community over the past decade.

There are about 120,000 Jews of Ethiopian origin living in Israel, about a third of them born in Israel. There have long been conspiracy theories circulating about forced sterilization. But after a documentary aired last month on Israel's Educational Network, Health Ministry Director General Ron Gamzu has banned Israel's health maintenance organizations from injecting Ethiopian women with the contraceptive Depo-Provera.

CRAP! WE GOT CAUGHT!
Crap! Nothing.
Is there a quote in that piece that passes as an article for you?
That article that they got from the atlantablackstar?

Tacitly? iLOL

It is the same information.
 
Why would Israel sterilize fellow Jews? Given the ethnic division in Israel/Palestine, would more Jewish citizens be ideal?

Real Jews don't run marathons? :lol:
 
Which is why I cited a medical dictionary ...




did the process leave them "unable to produce children"? Yes, on a temporary basis. Hence "temporary sterilization".

Not sure how this really speaks to the issue though

Exactly. The issue is not whether or not there was sterilization, as all parties seem to agree that sterilization occurred. The issue is whether or not the sterilization was done without the informed consent of those who were sterilized.
 
It's pretty sad how people refuse to believe anything negative about the Israeli government. As if their government was any more honest than any other government.

I'm no Pali fan and I do have a respect for Israel, but after what we've seen what the State of Israel would do to actual Jews who have established their provenance through matrilineal heritage, what would stop them from doing anything they wanted to non Jew Muslims?
 
Exactly. The issue is not whether or not there was sterilization, as all parties seem to agree that sterilization occurred. The issue is whether or not the sterilization was done without the informed consent of those who were sterilized.

Based upon what you've read, do you have any doubt?
 
For many developing world women, reproductive control is a difficult thing. Men have control in households and taking a pill each day might not fly. As these women are aware of the impacts of having many children, they are desperate for a way to control their lives and the lives of their children. Under such circumstance, I can see two things possibly happening:

1. The woman take the shot because they know they do not need another child, at least not so close to another birth, and their husband will not go along with daily pills.
2. The women feign ignorance when asked during what would become a public investigation, to excuse their actions from their husbands.


Now, maybe Israel did sterilize immigrants out of racism and state purity, but the above explanation has at least as much chance of being the driving force.

One option you are overlooking is that individuals, possibly large and influential groups of them, administered this program independent of the state, but through official channels. Israelis can be extremely nationalist, especially on the fringe
 
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