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Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

Dr. Chuckles said:
yes, clearly it's unheard of that a woman wouldn't want to pop out children like they were pez, an there isn't a reasonable concern on the part of the state to educate people on the issues involved with a high birth rate.

PS and as usual, I really question if your are reading and comprehending what you respond to
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WE'RE GOING FOR THE GOLD!

"Black Jewish women are popping out kids like a pez dispenser and FORCED CONTRACEPTION is just EDUCATION ISRAELI STYLE!"
 
ecofarm said:
Here they would experience a drop in infant mortality and death rates and thus undergo the demographic transition. Just like everyone else does and always has when those things happen.
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Yes, but that happens in every developing state, and these states usually deal with a huge generational lag in getting birth rates under control (assuming that they ever do accomplish this)
 
ecofarm said:
here they would experience a drop in infant mortality and death rates and thus undergo the demographic transition. Just like everyone else does and always has when those things happen.
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PERFECT! Spoken like MENGELE!
 
spanky said:
WE'RE GOING FOR THE GOLD!

"Black Jewish women are popping out kids like a pez dispenser and FORCED CONTRACEPTION is just EDUCATION ISRAELI STYLE!"
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meh, you add absolutely nothing of value to any discussion I have seen you contribute to. You'll be the first person I have ever felt the need to put on ignore after years being active on various forums

Peace
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
Yes, but that happens in every developing state, and these states usually deal with a huge generational lag in getting birth rates under control (assuming that they ever do accomplish this)
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Assuming they ever do? EVERYTIME EVER in the known history of man, a drop in infant mortality and death rate has resulted in the demographic transition. That goes for societies, immigrants and any other example you can come up with.

As I mentioned earlier, despite relative luxury (I was referring to the IM and D rates), men often lag a generation or two in making the transition. It seems that until capital must be divided into pieces for heirs, the transitioning male generation(s) like to continue to pump out kids.
 
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Excon said:
No you are not.
You are accepting an allegation.

Their word indicated that the administrators need to make sure there is no misunderstanding.
That may mean that there was some misunderstanding before. Not that something was purposely done wrongly, or forced, or anything of the sort.
Which means that it wasn't a tacit admission of wrong doing at all.
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As I expected, you are simply unable to accept that Israel is anything less than perfect. It's either partisan blinders or you live in a completely different reality than the rest of us do.
 
rocket88 said:
As I expected, you are simply unable to accept that Israel is anything less than perfect. It's either partisan blinders or you live in a completely different reality than the rest of us do.
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Right and it couldn't be your own bias that makes you take a non-admission as a full confession.
 
What I mean is... a male who sees his inheritance divided will transition but his mother transitioned as soon as things got good. At least that's my readings and observations. It's a bit sweeping, really, to just throw out there even with quals.
 
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ecofarm said:
Assuming they ever do? EVERYTIME EVER in the known history of man, a drop in infant mortality and death rate has resulted in the demographic transition. That goes for societies, immigrants and any other example you can come up with.
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India has been dealing with the effects of lower infant mortality and lower death rates for some time now, and have not been able to get their birth rate under control. Is it lower than what it was 20 years ago? yes, but it is not under control
 
rocket88 said:
As I expected, you are simply unable to accept that Israel is anything less than perfect. It's either partisan blinders or you live in a completely different reality than the rest of us do.
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again, if you read the articles, it's far from an admission of guilt
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
India has been dealing with the effects of lower infant mortality and lower death rates for some time now, and have not been able to get their birth rate under control. Is it lower than what it was 20 years ago? yes, but it is not under control
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In the areas that the fertility rates remain outrageous, the heathcare (and sanitation, and nutrition) does not exist. As a whole, India remains a developing country (which means pre-demotrans conditions).
 
ecofarm said:
In the areas that the rates remain outrageous, the heathcare (and sanitation, and nutrition) does not exist. As a whole, India remains a developing country (which means pre-demotrans).
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I agree, which is why I cited the fact women relocating to Israel would have the benefit of a very robust state health and education system

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...-their-consent-w-283-a-32.html#post1061405501

PS if you're saying the birthrate only remains high in undeveloped parts of the country I disagree. The people might originate from undeveloped areas, but one of the major components of this boom is that they relocate and continue the practice in urban centers
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
I agree, which is why I cited the fact women relocating to Israel would have the benefit of a very robust state health and education system

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...-their-consent-w-283-a-32.html#post1061405501
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As I stated, my studies suggest that the women would transition almost immediately (as soon as it was apparent that the new and improved conditions do in fact exist and will remain as such) and the men after a division of inheritance (thus, an intra-household conflict is created).
 
ecofarm said:
As I stated, my studies suggest that the women would transition almost immediately (as soon as it was apparent that the new and improved conditions do in fact exist and will remain as such) and the men after a division of inheritance (thus, an inter-household conflict is created).
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but that seems to ignore the trend is developing from things like better healthcare, w/o a change in birth practices (have more children than those that die)
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
but that seems to ignore the trend is developing from things like better healthcare, w/o a change in birth practices (have more children than those that die)
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The demographic transition occurs because of a drop in IM and D rates. This is documented fact. Other health issues, such as access to birth control and female control of family planning, of course play a role. The drop of IM and D would, in this case, accompany access to birth control of such a type as to give women not only access but control (not having to bring the BC into the house). This would help to ease the conflict created by males undergoing the demotrans at a slight lag from the women.
 
everybody seems to be gynecologist .l wish you applied your theories to practice in real life:lol:
 
ecofarm said:
The demographic transition occurs because of a drop in IM and D rates. This is documented fact. Other health issues, such as access to birth control and female control of family planning, of course play a role. The drop of IM and D would, in this case, accompany access to birth control of such a type as to give women not only access but control (not having to bring the BC into the house). This would help to ease the conflict created by males undergoing the demotrans at a slight lag from the women.
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I don't think it would be so easy to change the way the men view health issues in regards to their women. In a lot of parts of Ethiopia, there's a whole generation gap between the men and their wives. Child brides are pretty common, and a lot of them don't believe in birth control.

I think something like that would take a couple of generations at least.
 
Medusa said:
l wish you applied your theories to practice in real life:lol:
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Me? What do you think I was doing in rural Africa for '10-'12.
 
ChrisL said:
I don't think it would be so easy to change the way the men view health issues in regards to their women. In a lot of parts of Ethiopia, there's a whole generation gap between the men and their wives. Child brides are pretty common, and a lot of them don't believe in birth control.

I think something like that would take a couple of generations at least.
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I've seen a demotrans in a village, in a single generation, in the developing world, without immigration. It was due to the factors noted. In the current generation (my age) birth control is considered perhaps ok sometimes by the men. Most men my age have only one wife and only 2-3 children, their fathers had 2-3 wives and 5-15 children.
 
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