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Former CIA officer John Kiriakou is sentenced to 30 months in prison for leaks

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A former CIA officer who was among the first to go public with details about the agency’s use of waterboarding and other interrogation techniques was sentenced to 2½ years in prison Friday for disclosing a covert operative’s name to a reporter.John Kiriakou, 48, of Arlington has portrayed himself as a whistleblower concerned about the use of the harsh tactics, but U.S. District Judge Leonie M. Brinkema emphatically rejected that idea in federal court in Alexandria.
“This is not a case of a whistleblower,” Brinkema said. “This is a case of a man who betrayed a solemn trust.”

Former CIA officer John Kiriakou is sentenced to 30 months in prison for leaks - The Washington Post

I remember when this first hit ABC News, and liberals, just looking for the smoking gun to heap some more smear on George Bush all just loved this man, and defended him strongly, calling him a "whistle blower" instead of what he actually was, someone who aided, and abetted our enemies by his self serving release of information, including names of agents involved.

This media whore of a man, used his new found fame to latch on to liberal outlets like HuffPo, and MSNBC as some kind of "expert", and these liberal outlets loved every minute of it....Personally I think 30 months is way too light, life would have been closer to appropriate.
 
I guess since it was discovered at least some valuable intelligence was gained by a prisoner who was water boarded came out the war on torture kind of fell by the way side. The left wouldn't have been happy until bush was lead away in chains for life in prison for the war they voted for.
 
I guess since it was discovered at least some valuable intelligence was gained by a prisoner who was water boarded came out the war on torture kind of fell by the way side. The left wouldn't have been happy until bush was lead away in chains for life in prison for the war they voted for.


Absolutely...How much you wanna bet that libs that come in on the thread will still defend this man?
 
It sounds like he was convicted primarily on the basis of releasing fellow covert agents names, and according to Prosecutors may have revealed several more. Not the release of information on water-boarding which if it was his sole offense would likely have gotten him whistle-blower protections. I support this conviction, he crossed a fierce line when he began revealing the names of his fellow agents.
 
I remember when this first hit ABC News, and liberals, just looking for the smoking gun to heap some more smear on George Bush all just loved this man, and defended him strongly, calling him a "whistle blower" instead of what he actually was, someone who aided, and abetted our enemies by his self serving release of information, including names of agents involved.

This media whore of a man, used his new found fame to latch on to liberal outlets like HuffPo, and MSNBC as some kind of "expert", and these liberal outlets loved every minute of it....Personally I think 30 months is way too light, life would have been closer to appropriate.

In reality, there are plenty of rightwingers supporting him. Just not any wingnuts
 
I remember when this first hit ABC News, and liberals, just looking for the smoking gun to heap some more smear on George Bush all just loved this man, and defended him strongly, calling him a "whistle blower" instead of what he actually was, someone who aided, and abetted our enemies by his self serving release of information, including names of agents involved.

This media whore of a man, used his new found fame to latch on to liberal outlets like HuffPo, and MSNBC as some kind of "expert", and these liberal outlets loved every minute of it....Personally I think 30 months is way too light, life would have been closer to appropriate.

Actions have consequences. And "star power" heaped on a perp by media outlets shouldn't cloud imposition of those consequences/penalties.

Never heard of Judge Leonie, but am now an avid admirer....;)
 
In reality, there are plenty of rightwingers supporting him. Just not any wingnuts


Hmmm....Got any examples of that, or are you just blowing **** out of your ass again?
 
It sounds like he was convicted primarily on the basis of releasing fellow covert agents names, and according to Prosecutors may have revealed several more. Not the release of information on water-boarding which if it was his sole offense would likely have gotten him whistle-blower protections. I support this conviction, he crossed a fierce line when he began revealing the names of his fellow agents.


That's not what the Judge thought in the case...In fact, the judge expressly said that he was not a 'whistleblower'....
 
I remember when this first hit ABC News, and liberals, just looking for the smoking gun to heap some more smear on George Bush all just loved this man, and defended him strongly, calling him a "whistle blower" instead of what he actually was, someone who aided, and abetted our enemies by his self serving release of information, including names of agents involved.

This media whore of a man, used his new found fame to latch on to liberal outlets like HuffPo, and MSNBC as some kind of "expert", and these liberal outlets loved every minute of it....Personally I think 30 months is way too light, life would have been closer to appropriate.

Odd, I like many liberals, have always considered leaking classified material a criminal act. Nice rant, too bad it is a crock of crap.
 
That's not what the Judge thought in the case...In fact, the judge expressly said that he was not a 'whistleblower'....

I see reading comprehension is not your friend.

It sounds like he was convicted primarily on the basis of releasing fellow covert agents names, and according to Prosecutors may have revealed several more. Not the release of information on water-boarding
 
It sounds like he was convicted primarily on the basis of releasing fellow covert agents names, and according to Prosecutors may have revealed several more. Not the release of information on water-boarding which if it was his sole offense would likely have gotten him whistle-blower protections. I support this conviction, he crossed a fierce line when he began revealing the names of his fellow agents.

Whistle- blower status doesn't work quite like that.
 
I remember when this first hit ABC News, and liberals, just looking for the smoking gun to heap some more smear on George Bush all just loved this man, and defended him strongly, calling him a "whistle blower" instead of what he actually was, someone who aided, and abetted our enemies by his self serving release of information, including names of agents involved.

This media whore of a man, used his new found fame to latch on to liberal outlets like HuffPo, and MSNBC as some kind of "expert", and these liberal outlets loved every minute of it....Personally I think 30 months is way too light, life would have been closer to appropriate.

This guy should be in the same cell with the "perps" that finked out Valerie Plame. No question about it.
 
It sounds like he was convicted primarily on the basis of releasing fellow covert agents names, and according to Prosecutors may have revealed several more. Not the release of information on water-boarding which if it was his sole offense would likely have gotten him whistle-blower protections. I support this conviction, he crossed a fierce line when he began revealing the names of his fellow agents.

Outing undercover agents is something that should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Just ask Valerie Plame.
 
I see reading comprehension is not your friend.

It sounds like he was convicted primarily on the basis of releasing fellow covert agents names, and according to Prosecutors may have revealed several more. Not the release of information on water-boarding


Hmmm...Now that's funny, because it was right there in the OP....

“This is not a case of a whistleblower,” Brinkema said. “This is a case of a man who betrayed a solemn trust.”

I even bolded it this time so you and sangha could read it clearly....

Next!
 
Outing undercover agents is something that should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Just ask Valerie Plame.

Talk about a crock to use Red's eloquent phrase...Plame was not a covert agent, but this thread is not about her, could we stay on topic? Or is it only that you can argue defense of this man by equivalency?
 
Hmmm...Now that's funny, because it was right there in the OP....

“This is not a case of a whistleblower,” Brinkema said. “This is a case of a man who betrayed a solemn trust.”

I even bolded it this time so you and sangha could read it clearly....

Next!

It seems to me you're both saying the same thing. Didn't he betray a solemn trust by giving out the names of the agents involved?

If the issue is torture, then it is more than obvious to anyone who has been paying attention that:
1. Torture did more harm to the US than good.
2. Waterboarding an Al Qaeda leader was not the extent of torture, not by any means. Does anyone remember the name "Dilawar", for example? ?
 
Jerry Falwells' Liberty University has supported him.

Jerry Falwell (Liberty University) - newsle

So, a religious right spokesman, a person that in most of his views, and utterances upsets you, and the left to no end is useful in your general statement eh? Ok, I asked for one, you gave one, bravo. Now show more people relevant to the "right" in more a secular stance that have objections to this man being found guilty....Since you said there are "plenty", it should be no problem.
 
Talk about a crock to use Red's eloquent phrase...Plame was not a covert agent, but this thread is not about her, could we stay on topic? Or is it only that you can argue defense of this man by equivalency?

Quick with the excuses when your side does it I see. Kinda figured. One of us is consistent, and one just looks to try(and usually fail) to score political points.
 
Odd, I like many liberals, have always considered leaking classified material a criminal act. Nice rant, too bad it is a crock of crap.

Nonsense. although I don't have at my fingertips any quotes of you arguing for the righteousness of this man when he first came out, I assume that you agreed with him speaking out at the time...But I understand how easy it is to just say, 'ah, I don't agree with what he did' years after he did it, hell, people won't remember right?
 
This guy should be in the same cell with the "perps" that finked out Valerie Plame. No question about it.

Pretty sure there was only one person in that case. And all indications are that he did it inadvertently. Plus that whole story was so politically driven/distorted it is a bit of a struggle to know who's version can be trusted.

Don't believe that is a good comparison here.
 
Nonsense. although I don't have at my fingertips any quotes of you arguing for the righteousness of this man when he first came out, I assume that you agreed with him speaking out at the time...But I understand how easy it is to just say, 'ah, I don't agree with what he did' years after he did it, hell, people won't remember right?

You can assume whatever you want. I will laugh at you. Do you enjoy being wrong?
 
Hmmm...Now that's funny, because it was right there in the OP....

“This is not a case of a whistleblower,” Brinkema said. “This is a case of a man who betrayed a solemn trust.”

I even bolded it this time so you and sangha could read it clearly....

Next!

Don't know why you mention my name, though I notice you still haven't acknowledged that you were wrong to say that the right wasn't supporting him too

For the record, his remarks on water boarding were "whistle blowing". However, he was not prosecuted for his remarks on water boarding. He was prosecuted for telling a reporter the name of an agent, which is *not* whistle blowing.

BTW, Brinkema is a very liberal judge, appointed by Clinton
 
It seems to me you're both saying the same thing. Didn't he betray a solemn trust by giving out the names of the agents involved?

No, not the same thing at all....he was trying to protect the "whistle blower" status concerning the waterboarding claim, just as the defendant did himself and was rebuffed by the judge.

If the issue is torture, then it is more than obvious to anyone who has been paying attention that:
1. Torture did more harm to the US than good.

Helped find OBL.

2. Waterboarding an Al Qaeda leader was not the extent of torture, not by any means. Does anyone remember the name "Dilawar", for example? ?

Not even close to the same thing, but your disdain for our efforts in the GWOT are noted.
 
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