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Former CIA officer John Kiriakou is sentenced to 30 months in prison for leaks

j-mac said:
Talk about a crock to use Red's eloquent phrase...Plame was not a covert agent, but this thread is not about her, could we stay on topic? Or is it only that you can argue defense of this man by equivalency?
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Plame was a covert agent who worked "under cover"
 
j-mac said:
So, a religious right spokesman, a person that in most of his views, and utterances upsets you, and the left to no end is useful in your general statement eh? Ok, I asked for one, you gave one, bravo. Now show more people relevant to the "right" in more a secular stance that have objections to this man being found guilty....Since you said there are "plenty", it should be no problem.
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Try reading. The entire institution, comprised of far more then "a person", supports him.
 
j-mac said:
Nonsense. although I don't have at my fingertips any quotes of you arguing for the righteousness of this man when he first came out, I assume that you agreed with him speaking out at the time...But I understand how easy it is to just say, 'ah, I don't agree with what he did' years after he did it, hell, people won't remember right?
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He wasn't prosecuted for anything he said when he "first came out"

Nice try at linking his comments about waterboarding to his conviction. Too bad it failed
 
sangha said:
Don't know why you mention my name
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Did you not "like" the post I responded to?

though I notice you still haven't acknowledged that you were wrong to say that the right wasn't supporting him too
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Maybe it isn't I with the comprehension problem...

"Ok, I asked for one, you gave one, bravo."

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...-30-months-prison-leaks-2.html#post1061394520

For the record, his remarks on water boarding were "whistle blowing".
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We disagree.

However, he was not prosecuted for his remarks on water boarding.
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He should have been.

He was prosecuted for telling a reporter the name of an agent, which is *not* whistle blowing.
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When losing resort to semantics...

BTW, Brinkema is a very liberal judge, appointed by Clinton
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What's that have to do with the price of tea in China?
 
Dittohead not! said:
It seems to me you're both saying the same thing. Didn't he betray a solemn trust by giving out the names of the agents involved?

If the issue is torture, then it is more than obvious to anyone who has been paying attention that:
1. Torture did more harm to the US than good.
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Seems like liberals are always saying that, but I've never seen any evidence of it presented.
 
j-mac said:
No, not the same thing at all....he was trying to protect the "whistle blower" status concerning the waterboarding claim, just as the defendant did himself and was rebuffed by the judge.



Helped find OBL.



Not even close to the same thing, but your disdain for our efforts in the GWOT are noted.
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It is my disdain for sitting silently by while our government supports a practice that violates basic human rights and dignity that should be noted.

Is the damage done to the "war on terror" by torturing prisoners also noted?
 
sangha said:
Plame was a covert agent who worked "under cover"
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Then she and her husband should be the ones convicted for outing her...After all the moment she gave the interview with the magazine she was out....But like I said this isn't about her....And using her is only deflection from the thread.
 
Dittohead not! said:
It is my disdain for sitting silently by while our government supports a practice that violates basic human rights and dignity that should be noted.

Is the damage done to the "war on terror" by torturing prisoners also noted?
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You mean gaining the information gleaned to find OBL?
 
j-mac said:
Maybe it isn't I with the comprehension problem...

"Ok, I asked for one, you gave one, bravo."
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Speaking of comprehension, how much is required to realize that Liberty University is not "one person"?



We disagree.
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Then why wasn't he prosecuted for blowing the whistle on water boarding?



He should have been.
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The right loves the idea of prosecuting people for thought crimes



When losing resort to semantics...
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Thinking that "the law" = "semantics" is a delusion



What's that have to do with the price of tea in China?
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Nothing
 
j-mac said:
Then she and her husband should be the ones convicted for outing her...After all the moment she gave the interview with the magazine she was out....But like I said this isn't about her....And using her is only deflection from the thread.
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Cheney and others gave hr name to reporters (the same crime this guy was convicted of) before she gave an interview
 
sangha said:
Speaking of comprehension, how much is required to realize that Liberty University is not "one person"?
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So when Falwell gives his opinion to a reporter, he speaks for everyone at the University? They all agree with him? Wow, can I use that line of thinking with liberals as well?

Then why wasn't he prosecuted for blowing the whistle on water boarding?
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Don't know...Ask the prosecutor, or better yet the "liberal judge" you felt compelled to point out....

The right loves the idea of prosecuting people for thought crimes
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Fixed that for ya...

Nothing
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Then why bring it up? :roll:
 
Dittohead not! said:
I doubt that Dilawar had much useful information.
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Dilwar is also not the subject of the thread....Are you yet ready to discuss the person that IS the thread's subject? Or just continue to deflect?
 
j-mac said:
So when Falwell gives his opinion to a reporter, he speaks for everyone at the University? They all agree with him? Wow, can I use that line of thinking with liberals as well?
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No, when the staff of the university states that they support him, they speak for themselves (Note the plural)


Don't know...Ask the prosecutor, or better yet the "liberal judge" you felt compelled to point out....
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It is the prosecutor who chose to not file charges because it's not a crime.



Fixed that for ya...
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Yeah, changing the facts is how righties "fix" things.



Then why bring it up? :roll:
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because some people like facts., YMMV
 
sangha said:
Cheney and others gave hr name to reporters (the same crime this guy was convicted of) before she gave an interview
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If you want to talk about Plame, then search one of the thousands of threads and educate yourself first....Then after that, reply to one of those....This thread is not about her.
 
sangha said:
No, when the staff of the university states that they support him, they speak for themselves (Note the plural)




It is the prosecutor who chose to not file charges because it's not a crime.





Yeah, changing the facts is how righties "fix" things.





because some people like facts., YMMV
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When you are ready for honest discussion come on back.
 
j-mac said:
If you want to talk about Plame, then search one of the thousands of threads and educate yourself first....Then after that, reply to one of those....This thread is not about her.
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Your not a mod
 
j-mac said:
Dilwar is also not the subject of the thread....Are you yet ready to discuss the person that IS the thread's subject? Or just continue to deflect?
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So, you want to limit the discussion to John Kiriakou, and not include torture? OK, fair enough. I can see why, since you seem to think that the waterboarding incident was isolated and justified, you wouldn't want to expand the discussion into torture in general.

He was wrong to name names of covert operatives, on that I think we agree. His disclosure of torture by the US military was another matter altogether.
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, you want to limit the discussion to John Kiriakou, and not include torture? OK, fair enough. I can see why, since you seem to think that the waterboarding incident was isolated and justified, you wouldn't want to expand the discussion into torture in general.

He was wrong to name names of covert operatives, on that I think we agree. His disclosure of torture by the US military was another matter altogether.
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That's just not true. j-mac wants to talk about torture. The only limit he wants to place are on facts which undermine his opinion.
 
Dittohead not! said:
He was wrong to name names of covert operatives, on that I think we agree. His disclosure of torture by the US military was another matter altogether.
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But that is not all he did. The documents of his case are here:

USA v. John Kiriakou: Selected Case Files

IMHO, Kiriakou intentionally tried to undermine his own country in the War on Terror, and purposely did everything he could to that end. In my mind it is treason. And the reporters involved, especially the NYTimes should also be indicted, and tried as well.
 
j-mac said:
But that is not all he did. The documents of his case are here:

USA v. John Kiriakou: Selected Case Files

IMHO, Kiriakou intentionally tried to undermine his own country in the War on Terror, and purposely did everything he could to that end. In my mind it is treason. And the reporters involved, especially the NYTimes should also be indicted, and tried as well.
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If your opinion is correct, then you're right as to the treason.
But, I'm not going to wade through all the trial and so on to see whether you're right or not.
 
j-mac said:
But that is not all he did. The documents of his case are here:

USA v. John Kiriakou: Selected Case Files

IMHO, Kiriakou intentionally tried to undermine his own country in the War on Terror, and purposely did everything he could to that end. In my mind it is treason. And the reporters involved, especially the NYTimes should also be indicted, and tried as well.
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I bolded the only part of your post that I agree with
 
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