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Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody[W: 150]

Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody

sangha said:
IOW, a GFZ is a place where people can carrry guns!! :doh
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No. Not at all. Guns are prohibited. But, like every rule, there are exceptions. Those exceptions are employees of the government and their designates. Do you actually think a gun free zone is a place where no one, not even law enforcement officers can carry a gun? Because that would mean that when a school shooting happens, the law enforcement officers would have to drop their guns and fight the gunman unarmed. That would be just stupid. Do you actually believe that's how a gun free zone works? Or are you more interested in turning the debate into a debate of nuances because the breadth of your argument is disproved by this bit of anecdotal evidence?
 
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ksu_aviator said:
No. Not at all. Guns are prohibited. But, like every rule, there are exceptions. Those exceptions are employees of the government and their designates. Do you actually think a gun free zone is a place where no one, not even law enforcement officers can carry a gun? Because that would mean that when a school shooting happens, the law enforcement officers would have to drop their guns and fight the gunman unarmed. That would be just stupid. Do you actually believe that's how a gun free zone works? Or are you more interested in turning the debate into a debate of nuances because the breadth of your argument is disproved by this bit of anecdotal evidence?
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The argument is that shooters choose places where there are no guns so that no one can defend themselves. So now you want me to believe that they chose a place where there were guns?

Admit it! The GFZ status (or lack thereof) had *nothing* to do with this event, and that some people are using this violence to promote their political ideology
 
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sangha said:
The argument is that shooters choose places where there are no guns so that no one can defend themselves. So now you want me to believe that they chose a place where there were guns?

Admit it! The GFZ status (or lack thereof) had *nothing* to do with this event, and that some people are using this violence to promote their political ideology
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bottom line-the campus prohibited carrying guns on campus by non LEOs that makes it a GFZ and you just wasted a lot of bandwidth ignoring that reality
 
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TurtleDude said:
bottom line-the campus prohibited carrying guns on campus by non LEOs that makes it a GFZ and you just wasted a lot of bandwidth ignoring that reality
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Like I said, the GFZ status (or lack thereof) had *nothing* to do with this event, and some people are using this violence to promote their political ideology
 
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sangha said:
The argument is that shooters choose places where there are no guns so that no one can defend themselves. So now you want me to believe that they chose a place where there were guns?
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No. There are no guns allowed. If this happened in a mall, there is a greater chance of a citizen having a gun. At the school, only a law enforcement officer or security guard will have a weapon. Since they are required to be in uniform when they carry in a gun free zone, only a quick scan of the people in the immediate area is needed to determine who might be a threat to the gunman.

But you did answer my question. You are trying to make this an argument of nuances because the second amendment supporters have been harping on the fact that these shootings are more likely to happen in gun free zones. You are losing the argument when another high profile shooting happens in another gun free zone. You are the only one that believes there are no guns in a gun free zone. And I don't think you actually believe that. No one ever claimed there are zero guns, just far fewer.
 
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sangha said:
Like I said, the GFZ status (or lack thereof) had *nothing* to do with this event, and some people are using this violence to promote their political ideology
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yeah the anti gunners are just as they did with the aurora and CT shootings

shouldn't laws that say its illegal to bring guns on campus stop people wiling to engage in homicide?
 
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ksu_aviator said:
No. There are no guns allowed. If this happened in a mall, there is a greater chance of a citizen having a gun. At the school, only a law enforcement officer or security guard will have a weapon. Since they are required to be in uniform when they carry in a gun free zone, only a quick scan of the people in the immediate area is needed to determine who might be a threat to the gunman.
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So you're saying that if the mall were a GFZ, the shooting would have happened there, even though the shooters were not at the mall?

And a "quick scan" (and there's no evidence that such a scan was done) doesn't gaurantee the absense of a LEO

But you did answer my question. You are trying to make this an argument of nuances because the second amendment supporters have been harping on the fact that these shootings are more likely to happen in gun free zones. You are losing the argument when another high profile shooting happens in another gun free zone. You are the only one that believes there are no guns in a gun free zone. And I don't think you actually believe that. No one ever claimed there are zero guns, just far fewer.
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No, I'm not. Only the fanatics, on either side, believes that correlation = causation.

And most shootings happen in a non-GFZ, but unlike the fanatics, I won't use a delusion to make anything of that fact
 
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TurtleDude said:
yeah the anti gunners are just as they did with the aurora and CT shootings

shouldn't laws that say its illegal to bring guns on campus stop people wiling to engage in homicide?
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lack of grammar noted

If you translate that into standard english, I might respond
 
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sangha said:
lack of grammar noted

If you translate that into standard english, I might respond
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you already did respond. and sometimes the auto correct on my unit screws things up

but you understood what I said
 
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TurtleDude said:
you already did respond. and sometimes the auto correct on my unit screws things up

but you understood what I said
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Yes, blame it on the machine :lol:
 
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sangha said:
Yes, blame it on the machine :lol:
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isn't that what your entire gun control movement is about?
 
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TurtleDude said:
isn't that what your entire gun control movement is about?
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Yes, gun safety laws are meant to stop you from blaming your computer for your poor grammar
 
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sangha said:
So you're saying that if the mall were a GFZ, the shooting would have happened there, even though the shooters were not at the mall?
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Where in the hell do you get that?

And a "quick scan" (and there's no evidence that such a scan was done) doesn't gaurantee the absense of a LEO
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Oh, so you saw a security tape that showed the shooter with blinders on and that he didn't know where anyone was or whether or not they were a law enforcement officer? Using your logic above, the shooter would have shot the man even if he was standing in a Houston police station.



No, I'm not. Only the fanatics, on either side, believes that correlation = causation.
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That is the most over used nonfallacy fallacy. Correlation can indeed equal causation. In fact, all health studies are based on correlation = causation. You just need enough points of data to compare to eliminate the possibility of outside factors. In the 20 years since the gun free zone was established, nearly every mass shooting occurred in a gun free zone. Columbine, Aurora, Sandy, Virginia Tech, Oikos, Northern Illinois University, and even Fort Hood happened in an area where the service members could not carry. There is enough evidence to support the theory and warrant considerations to change the law.

And most shootings happen in a non-GFZ, but unlike the fanatics, I won't use a delusion to make anything of that fact
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Not mass shootings.
 
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sangha said:
Yes, gun safety laws are meant to stop you from blaming your computer for your poor grammar
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that's even more stupid than most of your other posts
 
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ksu_aviator said:
Where in the hell do you get that?
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From your post



Oh, so you saw a security tape that showed the shooter with blinders on and that he didn't know where anyone was or whether or not they were a law enforcement officer? Using your logic above, the shooter would have shot the man even if he was standing in a Houston police station.
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Oh, so you saw a security tape that showed that the shooter did scan the area and did know where everyone was and whether or not they were a LEO?



That is the most over used nonfallacy fallacy. Correlation can indeed equal causation. In fact, all health studies are based on correlation = causation. You just need enough points of data to compare to eliminate the possibility of outside factors. In the 20 years since the gun free zone was established, nearly every mass shooting occurred in a gun free zone. Columbine, Aurora, Sandy, Virginia Tech, Oikos, Northern Illinois University, and even Fort Hood happened in an area where the service members could not carry. There is enough evidence to support the theory and warrant considerations to change the law.
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Actually, not all health studies are based on correlation, and the ones that do are not considered to have shown causation. They merely give medical researchers an indication for further research

And you said "shooting", not "mass shooting". If you're going to limit this to mass shootings, then you'll have to provide evidence that the mass shooters took the fact that the place was a GFZ into consideration. Since there is no such evidence, and more evidence that other factors were what determined the locations, you will lose the gun fanatics argument concerning how GFZ's are targetted by mass shooters.



Not mass shootings.
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you said shootings
 
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Captain America said:
My niece attends Lonestar. She's okay. She wasn't on campus when the shootings occurred.

Just wondering if any of our rootin'-tootin' Texans were able to pull out their pistol and stop the guy?
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In a gun free zone? That would be illegal.
 
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In the city where I live, this sort of unpleasantness can occur when one of the Obama supporting American Citizens concludes that he or his 13 year old girlfriend (or even one of her children) has been "disrespected" by a member of a rival gang. Such disrespect is then viewed as sufficient provocation to shoot or stab the offender to death, with the resulting 35+ year prison sentence seen as small price to pay to redeem one's honor and reputation.
 
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Goshin said:
Considering how the media tends to get details and even basic facts flat wrong in early reporting, I think attempting to characterize this incident, or score political points of either sort with it, would be unwise at this time. We simply don't know what really happened yet.
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We know enough. The irony is that the Texas legislature is currently considering a bill to allow guns on university campuses. Isn't this what the pro-gun advocates wanted? Guns on campus? Behold the fruits. What you get are formerly "law-abiding" teenagers who decide to settle their differences with 50 paces at high noon and maim innocent people in the process.
 
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Napoleon said:
We know enough. The irony is that the Texas legislature is currently considering a bill to allow guns on university campuses. Isn't this what the pro-gun advocates wanted? Guns on campus? Behold the fruits. What you get are formerly "law-abiding" teenagers who decide to settle their differences with 50 paces at high noon and maim innocent people in the process.
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More accessibility to guns by young males............what could possibly go wrong?
 
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Napoleon said:
We know enough. The irony is that the Texas legislature is currently considering a bill to allow guns on university campuses. Isn't this what the pro-gun advocates wanted? Guns on campus? Behold the fruits. What you get are formerly "law-abiding" teenagers who decide to settle their differences with 50 paces at high noon and maim innocent people in the process.
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This is nothing by hyperbole. We have very little information at this time and you come up with this politically motivated garbage.

What we know...

3 people were wounded.
There may have been 2 shooters.
1 Possible shooter is in custody.
It was a "gun free zone"

That's it. that's all we know and you come up with this wild west scenario based on that limited information?

Wow.
 
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Catawba said:
More accessibility to guns by young males............what could possibly go wrong?
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Well considering the majority of our military is 17-19 year olds, not as much as you are trying to claim.
 
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Black Manta said:
This is nothing by hyperbole. We have very little information at this time and you come up with this politically motivated garbage.

What we know...

3 people were wounded.
There may have been 2 shooters.
1 Possible shooter is in custody.
It was a "gun free zone"

That's it. that's all we know and you come up with this wild west scenario based on that limited information?

Wow.
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This is being reported now:

HOUSTON — A dispute between two men at a community college in the wooded northern outskirts of Houston led to a shooting on Tuesday that left four people hospitalized and touched off fears that the campus was the site of another mass shooting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/23/us/shooting-reported-at-college-in-houston.html?_r=0

That is also what was being reported on Dallas radio today as well.
 
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Redress said:
Don't hesitate to exploit this for political gains. Classless behavior is a great way to convince people about a political issue.:roll:
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What is the purpose of posting any story on a political debate site...if not to play a political angle of some kind?

This isn't a news site, you know. We come here to argue, not get along.
 
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Black Manta said:
Well considering the majority of our military is 17-19 year olds, not as much as you are trying to claim.
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Right, the guys in the military don't shoot their guns, they are just for parades! And what is the suicide rate for soldiers?
 
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