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Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody[W: 150]

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I am saying you misread Harvard and are using the same flawed logic as Lott. Also, Harvard is old, too old to use.
If that were true then you would have sourced it, but you didn't, all you did was lie for pages.

Congratulations on trolling this thread into the ground.

I'm out.
 
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If that were true then you would have sourced it, but you didn't, all you did was lie for pages.

Congratulations on trolling this thread into the ground.

I'm out.

I honestly never thought you wouldn't understand. I'm criticing the logic and not the source. And one can't source your reading.
 
Students.

I am fine with concealed permit COLLGE students. Nothing stops a 21 year old from getting a concealed anywhere else or carrying in places similar. All the arguments against the college campus carry are pointless invalid illogical arguments.

High school and younger is different.
 
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I am fine with concealed permit COLLGE students. Nothing stops a 21 year old from getting a concealed anywhere else or carrying in places similar. All the arguments against the college campus carry are pointless invalid illogical arguments.

High school and younger is different.

Overgeneralize much? ;)

The student here had a gun. He had an argument. What happened?
 
Overgeneralize much? ;)

The student here had a gun. He had an argument. What happened?

Did he have a valid concealed license? Was he 21? Not to mention crap happens. I've been trying to get my bearings in this forum. It has been a long day.
 
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Did he have a valid concealed license? Was he 21? Not to mention crap happens. I've been trying to get my bearings in this forum. It has been a long day.

It doesn't matter. The license doesn't make one all of the sudden smart and responsible. Had a license holder here walking up and down the mall swinging his shot gun around. Stupid and young go hand in hand.

And I second the long day.
 
It doesn't matter. The license doesn't make one all of the sudden smart and responsible. Had a license holder here walking up and down the mall swinging his shot gun around. Stupid and young go hand in hand.

And I second the long day.

Actually a license is very much relevant. Those who get concealed licenses have to pass a higher standard. This incident proves nothing more than a criminal is a criminal even at a college.

And a kid "swinging is shotgun" that you can visibly see means it isn't concealed. That is a violation of concealed...concealed means concealed. In a morons case you should have reported him. Did he actively point it at people? There are some factors here I need to know about that incident to pass judgement.
 
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Actually a license is very much relevant. Those who get concealed licenses have to pass a higher standard. This incident proves nothing more than a criminal is a criminal even at a college.

And a kid "swinging is shotgun" that you can visibly see means it isn't concealed. That is a violation of concealed...concealed means concealed. In a morons case you should have reported him.

And yet, he was doing it all the same, higher standard and all (he was reported, which is how we all know about it). Even the fellow who trains them here admits a small percentage will act foolish and give all gun owners a black eye. Like I said, young and stupid go hand in hand.
 
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And yet, he was doing it all the same, higher standard and all (he was reported, which is how we all know about it). Even the fellow who trains them here admits a small percentage will act foolish and give all gun owners a black eye. Like I said, young and stupid go hand in hand.

And? 21 is the age. How did he do it? Actively pointing? Not? If you have a problem with 21 petition the he, but 21 can carry everywhere and 1 moron is no good reason to restrict everyone. As a rule concealed carry holders are at a much higher standard. That is statistically backed. What state did this occur in?
 
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Did he have a valid concealed license? Was he 21? Not to mention crap happens. I've been trying to get my bearings in this forum. It has been a long day.

What difference does that make? I am sick and tired of the nonsense assertion that the 2A is not an "all citizen" right, in and of itself, and that one must take a ten hour class ($100), pass a 50 question test and pay a large ($140) fee simply to get the "and bear" part of it. Having "graduated" from this Super High Intensity Training (great acronym huh?) and forking over $240 does not make you into a super citizen or prove that you will not overreact to someone intent on pushing you around.

The NICS background check is no more "intense" for CHL in Texas than for simply buying a handgun, the "value added" by proving that you can parrot back the law, know basic range safety rules and can blast large targets at distances of 3, 7 and 15 yards (if you were unable to get "qualified" before even getting to the 15 yard target, this is probably a waste of time/ammo) is dubious at best. Having a CCW permit/CHL is not a "007" license to kill, it is simply a way for the state to make normal people feel "special" and to get more money from them, of course.

KR Training - Texas CHL shooting test
 
What difference does that make? I am sick and tired of the nonsense assertion that the 2A is not an "all citizen" right, in and of itself, and that one must take a ten hour class ($100), pass a 50 question test and pay a large ($140) fee simply to get the "and bear" part of it. Having "graduated" from this Super High Intensity Training (great acronym huh?) and forking over $240 does not make you into a super citizen or prove that you will not overreact to someone intent on pushing you around.

The NICS background check is no more "intense" for CHL in Texas than for simply buying a handgun, the "value added" by proving that you can parrot back the law, know basic range safety rules and can blast large targets at distances of 3, 7 and 15 yards (if you were unable to get "qualified" before even getting to the 15 yard target, this is probably a waste of time/ammo) is dubious at best. Having a CCW permit/CHL is not a "007" license to kill, it is simply a way for the state to make normal people feel "special" and to get more money from them, of course.

KR Training - Texas CHL shooting test

Sorry man. Not gonna sell me on that. I like the license to carry concealed. I think it should be shall issue though. Most states are now. This isn't about ownership, this is about carrying into public. I want to expand the location of carry before we even discuss removing the license.
 
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And? 21 is the age. How did he do it? Actively pointing? Not? If you have a problem with 21 petition the he, but 21 can carry everywhere and 1 moron is no good reason to restrict everyone. As a rule concealed carry holders are at a much higher standard. That is statistically backed. What state did this occur in?

There's more than one moron. Stupidity and youth go hand in hand. We young people being foolish often, with and without guns. Not sure we should help them.

However, that's just one argument. We can add, there's no real need for one at school, a place much safer than the general population. Schools are responsible for safety and guns on campus complicate their job. There is no evidence guns make a difference, either way on crime or the few times there are shootings. So there is no reason to take the risk.

I live in Iowa.
 
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Sorry man. Not gonna sell me on that. I like the license to carry concealed. I think it should be shall issue though. Most states are now. This isn't about ownership, this is about carrying into public. I want to expand the location of carry before we even discuss removing the license.

Fine, then make it as "accessable" as a driver's license and for the same fee. In Texas that is $24, including the study materials, the written/practical tests and the required photography, but charging $240 for a CHL, is far out of cost reach for many ordinary citizens. Unlike a driver's license, a CHL is applied to a Constitutional right not a state issued privilege. What possible reason exists for making the CHL cost that high, other than trying to limit them to only affluent folks?
 
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There is no evidence guns make a difference, either way on crime or the few times there are shootings.

I think that is more to do with the "norm" being to not allow teachers to carry, but with more schools allowing teachers to carry we may soon find that evidence one way or another. I think personally that allowing teachers to carry can prevent or lessen the devastating affects of a shooter in a school.
 
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I think that is more to do with the "norm" being to not allow teachers to carry, but with more schools allowing teachers to carry we may soon find that evidence one way or another. I think personally that allowing teachers to carry can prevent or lessen the devastating affects of a shooter in a school.

I've seen of these guys. I don't think so.
 
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I've seen of these guys. I don't think so.

While a small sample, I think they have a better track record so far in the ability to deal with a shooter than most public schools do IMO.
 
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While a small sample, I think they have a better track record so far in the ability to deal with a shooter than most public schools do IMO.

Neither of us can advance that much. But I do hear many saying they don't even want to carry. :shrug:
 
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Neither of us can advance that much. But I do hear many saying they don't even want to carry. :shrug:

That's true that many don't want to carry, but I don't feel that should stop the people that want to. I understand both sides' views on it, I just think that someone armed would be in a better position to stop a gunman than someone not armed.

Let me lay out two situations.

#1 A shooting like we have seen where the gunman comes in and kills many students (let's say 5) for arguments sake.

#2 A shooting where a teacher was armed and accidentally shot and killed a student while shooting at a gunman. Total killed by teacher: 1, Total killed by gunman: 3.

Now, both those situations are horrible and both of those situations innocent people have died. Which one is better? Obviously there will be parents in both situations are going to complain because their child has died.

However, given the number of shootings we have seen and given the number of casualties in each shooting, I really can't see a situation (short of having armed guards placed at all schools) where the situation where a teach being allowed to carry wouldn't be better.
 
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That's true that many don't want to carry, but I don't feel that should stop the people that want to. I understand both sides' views on it, I just think that someone armed would be in a better position to stop a gunman than someone not armed.

Let me lay out two situations.

#1 A shooting like we have seen where the gunman comes in and kills many students (let's say 5) for arguments sake.

#2 A shooting where a teacher was armed and accidentally shot and killed a student while shooting at a gunman. Total killed by teacher: 1, Total killed by gunman: 3.

Now, both those situations are horrible and both of those situations innocent people have died. Which one is better? Obviously there will be parents in both situations are going to complain because their child has died.

However, given the number of shootings we have seen and given the number of casualties in each shooting, I really can't see a situation (short of having armed guards placed at all schools) where the situation where a teach being allowed to carry wouldn't be better.

This is the history and reason behind the recent changes to gun laws in Texas. Luby's massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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That's true that many don't want to carry, but I don't feel that should stop the people that want to. I understand both sides' views on it, I just think that someone armed would be in a better position to stop a gunman than someone not armed.

Let me lay out two situations.

#1 A shooting like we have seen where the gunman comes in and kills many students (let's say 5) for arguments sake.

#2 A shooting where a teacher was armed and accidentally shot and killed a student while shooting at a gunman. Total killed by teacher: 1, Total killed by gunman: 3.

Now, both those situations are horrible and both of those situations innocent people have died. Which one is better? Obviously there will be parents in both situations are going to complain because their child has died.

However, given the number of shootings we have seen and given the number of casualties in each shooting, I really can't see a situation (short of having armed guards placed at all schools) where the situation where a teach being allowed to carry wouldn't be better.

You assume then teacher would hit the gunman. This is unlikely. The teacher is at a disadvantage. Excited. Scared. In a place the gunman isn't likely. Teacher misses more than once, hits three students, gunman kills teacher, and moves on. Much more likely.
 
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You assume then teacher would hit the gunman. This is unlikely. The teacher is at a disadvantage. Excited. Scared. In a place the gunman isn't likely. Teacher misses more than once, hits three students, gunman kills teacher, and moves on. Much more likely.

And of course you are assuming that the teacher hasn't trained with the weapon in any way. Lots of assumptions here, but the one assumption that cannot be disputed is that without a weapon, there is a higher probability that the shooter cannot be stopped.

So unless you are advocating that an armed police officer be at every school, the shooter has the advanatage without any guns to stop him at all since police response time is still too long.
 
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And of course you are assuming that the teacher hasn't trained with the weapon in any way. Lots of assumptions here, but the one assumption that cannot be disputed is that without a weapon, there is a higher probability that the shooter cannot be stopped.

So unless you are advocating that an armed police officer be at every school, the shooter has the advanatage without any guns to stop him at all since police response time is still too long.

Of all those I know, I only know one experience with a weapon, and he opposes them on campus. However, that's not a large enough sample. Do you have any evidence suggesting how many would be trained and that training would change what I suggest?
 
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