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Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to cla

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Dr. Chuckles said:
There are all types of legal behaviors that have clear social repercussions. This is hardly anything new
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But she has suffered an ACTUAL repercussion. She has been harmed.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
She's not there to teach the kids morality, she's teaching science. Not a single word about her private life is spoken. It's the job of the parents to be the role model and teach morality.
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Unless you have been reared in the prospect of being a school teacher, you have no idea what you're talking about. Any teacher candidate should have experienced a dramatic amount of instruction on the requirements of role-modeling and societal responsibilities. They aren't clocking in and clocking out-they are pillars of society and are held to that standard. We were told over and over again that many teachers drive to a neighboring small town to have a drink to avoid students or their families in a bar and grill. That's what they do.

Even if you complain about it being unfair, that's exactly what it is, and nothing you think against it or say against it will change that fact.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
So instead of explaining it, you're going to state again that it's because of common sense, and human nature? At least you've admitted that it has nothing to do with her quality as a teacher. So explain to me again, how does it ruin the kids education?


That's all young boys are ever thinking about. I know I had a raging boner sitting through half of my classes at that age.
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It has been explained many times already by me and others... but I'll try one more time.

I don't know what subject this woman teaches but for the purposes of discussion, let's say she teaches math.

...It's the first day of class and all the kids take their seats and notice that their new teacher is smokin' hot. That evening little Johny gets word that his new math teacher was cranking out porn some years ago. Little Johny googles her and finds a plethora of porn footage which he IMMEDIATELY shares with all of his friends via social media. The next day the whole freaking school is in an uproar and the new math teacher is bombarded with loud whistles and lewd gestures as she walks down the hall. Kids being kids, this bombardment doesn't subside and at a certain point the other faculty begin to catch on and the next thing you know parents begin calling because Mrs. Smith found porn on little Johny's I-Pad and her neighbor told her that the woman in the video was really the new math teacher!

Meanwhile, the new teacher is trying to conduct class but can't seem to get the students to focus because the boys keep chirping out sexual innuendos every time she turns her back and of course this causes the entire class to giggle because they are all "in the know". It finally gets to the point where the new teacher has successfully read through the lines and is horrified because she now knows that the kids are on to her!


The above scenario is only the beginning, too. It gets worse from there. Out of control kids, fanatical parents, outraged community leaders... it's a disaster waiting to happen.
 
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What if...? said:
But she has suffered an ACTUAL repercussion. She has been harmed.
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I'm not sure there is an actual distinction there.
 
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Jack Fabulous said:
It has been explained many times already by me and others... but I'll try one more time.

I don't know what subject this woman teaches but for the purposes of discussion, let's say she teaches math.

...It's the first day of class and all the kids take their seats and notice that their new teacher is smokin' hot. That evening little Johny gets word that his new math teacher was cranking out porn some years ago. Little Johny googles her and finds a plethora of porn footage which he IMMEDIATELY shares with all of his friends via social media. The next day the whole freaking school is in an uproar and the new math teacher is bombarded with loud whistles and lewd gestures as she walks down the hall. Kids being kids, this bombardment doesn't subside and at a certain point the other faculty begin to catch on and the next thing you know parents begin calling because Mrs. Smith found porn on little Johny's I-Pad and her neighbor told her that the woman in the video was really the new math teacher!

Meanwhile, the new teacher is trying to conduct class but can't seem to get the students to focus because the boys keep chirping out sexual innuendos every time she turns her back and of course this causes the entire class to giggle because they are all "in the know". It finally gets to the point where the new teacher has successfully read through the lines and is horrified because she now knows that the kids are on to her!


The above scenario is only the beginning, too. It gets worse from there. Out of control kids, fanatical parents, outraged community leaders... it's a disaster waiting to happen.
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I had students try to find pictures of me on the internet (you know, one student starts, then another student notices and tries to as well, then another....) while they were supposed to be researching Roman bath houses and the social purposes they served. They would have only found some volunteer work and advocacy groups I had been involved in, perhaps a photo from a deleted Myspace account years ago, but the curiosity of students can just expand dramatically and become one heck of a pedagogical nightmare. If it were something more scandalous, other than my disability and the work I do, it would come to haunt me incredibly quick.
 
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Fiddytree said:
Unless you have been reared in the prospect of being a school teacher, you have no idea what you're talking about. Any teacher candidate should have experienced a dramatic amount of instruction on the requirements of role-modeling and societal responsibilities. They aren't clocking in and clocking out-they are pillars of society and are held to that standard. We were told over and over again that many teachers drive to a neighboring small town to have a drink to avoid students or their families in a bar and grill. That's what they do.

Even if you complain about it being unfair, that's exactly what it is, and nothing you think against it or say against it will change that fact.
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I'm arguing against the idea that by having a LEGAL job 7 years prior to her being a teacher, she somehow isn't a role model for kids. Just because the christian right hates porn, doesn't mean that she should be fired from her job.

If the large majority of the local parents thought that a muslim can't be a role model for their children, should the muslim be fired from his teaching position?
Jack Fabulous said:
It has been explained many times already by me and others... but I'll try one more time.

I don't know what subject this woman teaches but for the purposes of discussion, let's say she teaches math.

...It's the first day of class and all the kids take their seats and notice that their new teacher is smokin' hot. That evening little Johny gets word that his new math teacher was cranking out porn some years ago. Little Johny googles her and finds a plethora of porn footage which he IMMEDIATELY shares with all of his friends via social media. The next day the whole freaking school is in an uproar and the new math teacher is bombarded with loud whistles and lewd gestures as she walks down the hall. Kids being kids, this bombardment doesn't subside and at a certain point the other faculty begin to catch on and the next thing you know parents begin calling because Mrs. Smith found porn on little Johny's I-Pad and her neighbor told her that the woman in the video was really the new math teacher!

Meanwhile, the new teacher is trying to conduct class but can't seem to get the students to focus because the boys keep chirping out sexual innuendos every time she turns her back and of course this causes the entire class to giggle because they are all "in the know". It finally gets to the point where the new teacher has successfully read through the lines and is horrified because she now knows that the kids are on to her!


The above scenario is only the beginning, too. It gets worse from there. Out of control kids, fanatical parents, outraged community leaders... it's a disaster waiting to happen.
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I see, so it's the teacher's fault that the kids were googling porn and not the parents'? If the teacher is feeling threatened by her students, she can send the ones responsible to the principle. If I were her I would quit, but that's her decision, not yours. How is this any different than if her twin had done the porn instead of her?

Your argument is attempting to state that middle school students wouldn't be looking at porn if their teacher hadn't spurred them onto it by having done it before.

It's really just about the christians in this country want to enforce their jesus morality on others. She did nothing wrong, and if they can't control their own kids, that's hardly her problem.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
I'm arguing against the idea that by having a LEGAL job 7 years prior to her being a teacher, she somehow isn't a role model for kids. Just because the christian right hates porn, doesn't mean that she should be fired from her job.

If the large majority of the local parents thought that a muslim can't be a role model for their children, should the muslim be fired from his teaching position?
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Then teaching isn't your field, nor something you can really have much useful to say. It's a pedagogical nightmare, a social problem, a political problem, and will cost you your job. One of those three is bad enough, but the reality is it jeopardizes your relationship with the students entirely. I already said it is a social construction, but it is a social construction with large and sharp teeth behind it. If you want to rail against the tyranny of social values and social constructs, you should do it elsewhere.

It's really just about the christians in this country want to enforce their jesus morality on others. She did nothing wrong, and if they can't control their own kids, that's hardly her problem.
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Controlling the kids in her classroom is her problem. All teachers know that.
 
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Fiddytree said:
Then teaching isn't your field, nor something you can really have much useful to say. It's a pedagogical nightmare, a social problem, a political problem, and will cost you your job. One of those three is bad enough, but the reality is it jeopardizes your relationship with the students entirely.



Controlling the kids in her classroom is her problem. All teachers know that.
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You still didn't explain to me how this would be any different if the parents didn't want a muslim teacher because it didn't fit their moral code. What if they were mocking him in class for it? He should be fired because he's a disruption and a political nightmare, right?
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
You still didn't explain to me how this would be any different if the parents didn't want a muslim teacher because it didn't fit their moral code. What if they were mocking him in class for it? He should be fired because he's a disruption and a political nightmare, right?
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Depends on what is considered a protected class. Pornographers and porno actors are not. End of story.

I don't need to explain how it is different if I had already addressed the problem behind the one you bothered to dig up.
 
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Fiddytree said:
Depends on what is considered a protected class. Pornographers and porno actors are not. End of story.
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Good, so the only difference is that one is a protected class and one is not. It has nothing to do with interrupting learning, what the parents care about, or harming the children. All three of those things would be tolerated if she was in a protected class. Glad we got to the root of it.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
Good, so the only difference is that one is a protected class and one is not. It has nothing to do with interrupting learning, what the parents care about, or harming the children. All three of those things would be tolerated if she was in a protected class. Glad we got to the root of it.
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I did that in my first post. I said it was almost entirely moot.

It created a complete disruption of the entire process and has for many generations been seen as the greatest concern for education. Educators are held up by society (another construction) and are expected to be above reproach (another social construction), and those conditions are as follows (another social construction).
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
I'm not sure there is an actual distinction there.
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Well, an old biddy can stare down their nose at you and gossip at the beauty shop, social repercussion.

Then there's getting fired for perfectly legal prior behavior, actual repercussion.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
I see, so it's the teacher's fault that the kids were googling porn and not the parents'? If the teacher is feeling threatened by her students, she can send the ones responsible to the principle. If I were her I would quit, but that's her decision, not yours. How is this any different than if her twin had done the porn instead of her?
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It is the teacher's fault for making the decision to get into porn in the first place. Blaming anyone but her in this case is avoiding reality.

RabidAlpaca said:
Your argument is attempting to state that middle school students wouldn't be looking at porn if their teacher hadn't spurred them onto it by having done it before.
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My argument is and has been all along that porn stars have no business teaching 12 year olds. No matter how many stupid straw men you try to throw at me you can never deflect or discredit that position. Say it out loud... "I see no problem with a porn star teaching a class of 12 year olds." It's ridiculous and you lose every single time. Your whole modus operandi is built around trying to make that statement sound reasonable. Again... good luck with that.

RabidAlpaca said:
It's really just about the christians in this country want to enforce their jesus morality on others. She did nothing wrong, and if they can't control their own kids, that's hardly her problem.
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And here's the meat and potatoes of it all, boys and girls... It's those DAMN CHRISTIANS!! A person can only keep their true colors hidden for so long. Thank you for showing yours.
 
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MaggieD said:
Why do you think I know the answer to that question? I have no idea. You? Apparently after six or seven years you can lie by omission. Don't know about others.
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I have a very extended employment history covering roughly 30 different jobs. Should I have to remember each and every single one of them along with the supervisors name, company address, phone number (which may not even be valid anymore mind you) exactly how much I got paid starting AND ending? What my positions were and exactly what I did in each of those positions?

Of course not. I typically only put the employment history that is relevent to the job that I am applying for. And that is all that should matter. Any other extra work that I have done that is not relevent to that job is irrelevent. That is not lying in any sense of the word. That is just using common sense and protecting your privacy. It is no different to me than an employer requiring that you give them your password to Facebook so that they can spy on what you are doing.
 
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Jack Fabulous said:
It is the teacher's fault for making the decision to get into porn in the first place. Blaming anyone but her in this case is avoiding reality.


My argument is and has been all along that porn stars have no business teaching 12 year olds. No matter how many stupid straw men you try to throw at me you can never deflect or discredit that position. Say it out loud... "I see no problem with a porn star teaching a class of 12 year olds." It's ridiculous and you lose every single time. Your whole modus operandi is built around trying to make that statement sound reasonable. Again... good luck with that.
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I see no problem with a former porn star teaching a class of 12 year olds.

Let's sum up the arguments that have been presented:

- It was disrupting class
*So if anything disrupts class, even at no fault of the teacher, the teacher should be fired? What if it was the teacher's twin? How would this change anything?
- It doesn't fit the parents' moral code
*So if anything disrupts the parents' morale code, even at no fault of the teacher, the teacher should be fired? What if the teacher was muslim and the parents hated that? How would this change anything?


Jack Fabulous said:
And here's the meat and potatoes of it all, boys and girls... It's those DAMN CHRISTIANS!! A person can only keep their true colors hidden for so long. Thank you for showing yours.
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Yep, they're usually the ones attacking people for not fitting their moral code or jesus standards, even if they have nothing to do with the law. Fact is, we live in a secular republic. The law protects everyone equally (or is at least designed to), and the state doesn't represent a religion.
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
I think the kids are the supposed issue. I know while I was in school such a teacher would have been constantly harreassed and disrespected
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Then your parents should have punished you for being disrespectful to your betters.
 
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Henrin said:
Seem like a Second class citizen? How does she seem like a second class citizen? Boo hoo, she was fired for her own actions. The humanity of it all!
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Being fired for something that happened years ago and has no relevency to the current job position is treating that person like a 2nd class citizen.
 
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Surtr said:
Absolutely. It hurts the reputation of the school, and causes problems from the parents. She made her choices, and actions have consequences.
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yes, that female veteran
someone who killed enemy combatants
is she exempt from teaching because she has killed others in the past
or is killing another acceptable whereas porn acting must be found intolerable
 
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Apparently her screen name was "Tiffany Six".

I'll let you do some google video searching to explore a little bit about what this lady did.

It's obviously HIGHLY inappropriate for a middle school teacher to have this kind of stuff so easily accessible.

Times have changed and the availability of internet porn is insane.

If this lady wants to teach she absolutely must focus more on adult education.
Or perhaps early elementary education.

And she 100% absolutely must be honest on her job applications and in interviews.

The "stuff" she has in her past can't be ignored and/or swept under a rug quite that easily.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Being fired for something that happened years ago and has no relevency to the current job position is treating that person like a 2nd class citizen.
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I don't see how that makes any sense.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
I have a very extended employment history covering roughly 30 different jobs. Should I have to remember each and every single one of them along with the supervisors name, company address, phone number (which may not even be valid anymore mind you) exactly how much I got paid starting AND ending? What my positions were and exactly what I did in each of those positions?

Of course not. I typically only put the employment history that is relevent to the job that I am applying for. And that is all that should matter. Any other extra work that I have done that is not relevent to that job is irrelevent. That is not lying in any sense of the word. That is just using common sense and protecting your privacy. It is no different to me than an employer requiring that you give them your password to Facebook so that they can spy on what you are doing.
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If you fill out your job application the way you say you do, I am amazed you would even be hired. Employers are interested in your time line. Leaving out five years' experience because it's not relevant would get you thrown out of my office. That's the reference you don't want me to check...you know, the one where you stole out of other employees' lockers and were fired. Or, perhaps you laid around like a sloth for five years while your wife was supporting the household. Or, perhaps you were in jail. If that omission works for you? Fine. It doesn't work for 99% of employers in the world . . . unless you're driving a cab.
 
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MaggieD said:
Teachers are meant to be respected. We have enough trouble with that right now. Their character, to their charges, should be above reproach. That's just the fackjack. She's an attractive nuisance. A distraction. A terrible role model. I could go on.
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How is she a terrible role model? Just because she did a porn movie? Pfft. I can think of many other people that have done far worse and ARE considered role models for kids.
 
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When students (children/boys/adolescent males) know you've done what most would consider pretty hard core porn, it BECOMES relevant to your ability to do your job.

How can people not see this?

Go watch a little of her work. It's free to see some of it.

Then tell me that wouldn't be a problem in a middle school.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
How is she a terrible role model? Just because she did a porn movie? Pfft. I can think of many other people that have done far worse and ARE considered role models for kids.
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There's probably a reason they don't ask porn stars to Career Day. But, hey, maybe in your family, a porn star is an acceptable role model. ??

Edit: If you took that as a slight insult? You made my point.
 
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