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Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to cla

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Dr. Chuckles said:
Holy ****~!!! Do we really need to establish that finding out your teacher did porn wouldn't have caused a storm of *hit when you were in the 8th grade? Come on, guys, let's not doubt the obvious here
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Clearly, the little bastards would talk about it non-stop for a week, but then they'd get over it. You're acting like they're going to lose a year of their lives because they saw a female who used to be in porn. These same kids are jerking it to porn non-stop in their rooms at home.

Henrin said:
God, I hate sexual harassment laws so much.
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Sometimes it can be taken too far, but teasing someone in a work or school place for their sexual behavior is unacceptable.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
Why don't you show us specific examples of where having a former pornstar as a teacher has actually disrupted the learning in class?

Besides, we're debating the premise here.
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Wrong.

What we're debating is a ridiculous straw man injected into the discussion by those who find themselves in the uncomfortable position of having to defend an indefensible position. "Porn stars shouldn't be teaching 12 year olds." I can make that statement and sleep well at night.

"I don't see a problem with porn stars teaching 12 year olds.":shock: Good luck with that one....
 
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Jack Fabulous said:
Wrong.

What we're debating is a ridiculous straw man injected into the discussion by those who find themselves in the uncomfortable position of having to defend an indefensible position. "Porn stars shouldn't be teaching 12 year olds." I can make that statement and sleep well at night.

"I don't see a problem with porn stars teaching 12 year olds.":shock: Good luck with that one....
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She's not a porn star, she's a former pornstar, and I don't see why that makes her incapable of doing her job, which is teaching 12 year olds. Do you think she's going to start teaching the kids sex moves in class?
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
In terms of the definition of sexual harassment? Absolutely. Words don't change definition based on what building you're in.
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Maybe I am wrong, but I can't think of one instance of hearing about a sexual harassment case being leveled at a student, especially by a teacher. To me, the reason for this seems obvious, that they are two completely different environments, involving two very disparate groups
 
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Sometimes it can be taken too far, but teasing someone in a work or school place for their sexual behavior is unacceptable.
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So? Isn't that up to management to deal with?
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
Maybe I am wrong, but I can't think of one instance of hearing about a sexual harassment case being leveled at a student, especially by a teacher. To me, the reason for this seems obvious, that they are two completely different environments, involving two very disparate groups
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*sigh* We've tumbled down the rabbit hole so far that we've argued the definition of sexual harassment for pages now. You still haven't given any reason how a teacher who used to be a porn star would ruin someone's education.

Henrin said:
So? Isn't that up to management to deal with?
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And management usually does deal with it, by warning or firing that person.
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
Maybe I am wrong, but I can't think of one instance of hearing about a sexual harassment case being leveled at a student, especially by a teacher. To me, the reason for this seems obvious, that they are two completely different environments, involving two very disparate groups
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The reason you don't hear about it, is it usually is handled in-house with the student receiving punishment of some sort from the school.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
She's not a porn star, she's a former pornstar, and I don't see why that makes her incapable of doing her job, which is teaching 12 year olds.
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You don't see it because you are ignoring reality, common sense, and most importantly, human nature. Her aptitude as a teacher has nothing to do with it.

RabidAlpaca said:
Do you think she's going to start teaching the kids sex moves in class?
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No, but I'm willing to bet that those "sex moves" are all the kids are going to be thinking about and talking to each other about.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
Clearly, the little bastards would talk about it non-stop for a week, but then they'd get over it.
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lol, are you kidding me? My seventh grade english teacher was harassed about his comb over until he retired. As people have pointed out, it was part of campus lore that kids were introduced to every year. And kids being assholes at that age, and stuck in a classroom, never let up about it.


RabidAlpaca said:
You're acting like they're going to lose a year of their lives because they saw a female who used to be in porn. These same kids are jerking it to porn non-stop in their rooms at home.
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nothing I wrote can be construed as having a negative attitude towards porn. The issue that I have outlined clearly concerns how kids will react to it and how they will tease, disrespect, and dismiss her.
 
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Jack Fabulous said:
Wrong.

What we're debating is a ridiculous straw man injected into the discussion by those who find themselves in the uncomfortable position of having to defend an indefensible position. "Porn stars shouldn't be teaching 12 year olds." I can make that statement and sleep well at night.

"I don't see a problem with porn stars teaching 12 year olds.":shock: Good luck with that one....
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I guess you didn't catch the key phrase of "Former" porn-star did you? She is not actively a porn star.
 
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TheNextEra said:
The reason you don't hear about it, is it usually is handled in-house with the student receiving punishment of some sort from the school.
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lol, so as I just stated, the environment and expectations are completely different.

Thank you professor
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
nothing I wrote can be construed as having a negative attitude towards porn. The issue that I have outlined clearly concerns how kids will react to it and how they will tease, disrespect, and dismiss her.
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And that should be HER decision to leave if she doesn't want to deal with the so called teasing.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
You still haven't given any reason how a teacher who used to be a porn star would ruin someone's education.
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Teachers are meant to be respected. We have enough trouble with that right now. Their character, to their charges, should be above reproach. That's just the fackjack. She's an attractive nuisance. A distraction. A terrible role model. I could go on.
 
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TheNextEra said:
I guess you didn't catch the key phrase of "Former" porn-star did you? She is not actively a porn star.
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I'll disagree with that, too.

"The internet is forever". Wise words, and words that all should consider before embarking on controversial endeavors. As it relates to this particular case... once a porn star, ALWAYS a porn star. Like it or not.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
*sigh* We've tumbled down the rabbit hole so far that we've argued the definition of sexual harassment for pages now. You still haven't given any reason how a teacher who used to be a porn star would ruin someone's education.
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I'm not sure you making an absurd claim, and me pointing out that it is absurd, rises to the level of "debate". But yes, I have been outlining the reasons it would be problematic for a few pages now.



And management usually does deal with it, by warning or firing that person.[/QUOTE]
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
lol, are you kidding me? My seventh grade english teacher was harassed about his comb over until he retired. As people have pointed out, it was part of campus lore that kids were introduced to every year. And kids being assholes at that age, and stuck in a classroom, never let up about it.
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And that's completely unacceptable. Luckily schools have started to change to crack down on stuff like that.

Dr. Chuckles said:
nothing I wrote can be construed as having a negative attitude towards porn. The issue that I have outlined clearly concerns how kids will react to it and how they will tease, disrespect, and dismiss her.
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And your solution to that is to remove the victim of the teasing and disrespect, instead of dealing with the perpetrators. Do woman who get raped deserve it because they were looking hot?
Dr. Chuckles said:
I'm not sure you making an absurd claim, and me pointing out that it is absurd, rises to the level of "debate". *But yes, I have been outlining the reasons it would be problematic for a few pages now. *
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So you can't quantify how student's education is ruined by the teacher's background?



Jack Fabulous said:
You don't see it because you are ignoring reality, common sense, and most importantly, human nature. Her aptitude as a teacher has nothing to do with it.
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So instead of explaining it, you're going to state again that it's because of common sense, and human nature? At least you've admitted that it has nothing to do with her quality as a teacher. So explain to me again, how does it ruin the kids education?

Jack Fabulous said:
No, but I'm willing to bet that those "sex moves" are all the kids are going to be thinking about and talking to each other about.
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That's all young boys are ever thinking about. I know I had a raging boner sitting through half of my classes at that age.
 
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TheNextEra said:
And that should be HER decision to leave if she doesn't want to deal with the so called teasing.
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I'm more concerned about kids getting an education, not dealing with obvious issues because you want to feel better about yourself.
 
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MaggieD said:
Teachers are meant to be respected. We have enough trouble with that right now. Their character, to their charges, should be above reproach. That's just the fackjack. She's an attractive nuisance. A distraction. A terrible role model. I could go on.
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She's not there to teach the kids morality, she's teaching science. Not a single word about her private life is spoken. It's the job of the parents to be the role model and teach morality.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
And that's completely unacceptable. Luckily schools have started to change to crack down on stuff like that.
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yes, and I find the fact that poverty exists and that it doesn't rain gumdrops equally disheartening. But that still doesn't change the reality of the situation


RabidAlpaca said:
And your solution to that is to remove the victim of the teasing and disrespect, instead of dealing with the perpetrators. Do woman who get raped deserve it because they were looking hot?
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Did you really just really compare this to blaming rape victims? How is this, in anyway, similar to blaming as rape victim?


This person doesn't have an explicit right to teach children, especially when past life choices have undermined that ability. A school full of children isn't the same as a professional work environment, bullying will go on, the last thing any administration needs to deal with is a teacher that is going to act as a focal point for such behavior, while also trying to deal with it among the student body.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
And management usually does deal with it, by warning or firing that person.
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I'm aware, but my problem is the legal force behind it.
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
lol, so as I just stated, the environment and expectations are completely different.

Thank you professor
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The enviornment is different, but the expectations are the same.
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
yes, and I find the fact that poverty exists and that it doesn't rain gumdrops equally disheartening. But that still doesn't change the reality of the situation




Did you really just really compare this to blaming rape victims? How is this, in anyway, similar to blaming as rape victim?


This person doesn't have an explicit right to teach children, especially when past life choices have undermined that ability. A school full of children isn't the same as a professional work environment, bullying will go on, the last thing any administration needs to deal with is a teacher that is going to act as a focal point for such behavior, while also trying to deal with it among the student body.
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You saying that she has undermined her ability to teach doesn't make it so. I'm still waiting for concrete reasons other than you think she's immoral.

And it was an over the top comparison to a rape victim to prove a point: you don't blame the victim, you blame the attackers.
 
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TheNextEra said:
The enviornment is different, but the expectations are the same.
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LOL~!!! I bet you were the class clown. Tell you what, champ, ask any teacher you know if they have the same expectations in the class room as a professional office environment.

see how that goes for you
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
You saying that she has undermined her ability to teach doesn't make it so.
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exactly, which is why I have been writing out the various ways she has undermined her ability to teach. Your response to that was to say it shouldn't happen. Which I pointed out doesn't mean it won't

RabidAlpaca said:
I'm still waiting for concrete reasons other than you think she's immoral.
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where did I ever claim she was immoral?

RabidAlpaca said:
And it was an over the top comparison to a rape victim to prove a point: you don't blame the victim, you blame the attackers.
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Where did I blame here? I pointed to the inevitable response of 14 year olds to finding out their teacher did porn and why no school should be expected to deal wiuth her baggage, in addition to all the bull**** they are already trying to deal with

Nothing about that assigns blame to her or passes moral judgement on her.
 
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This is more as a result of societal pressures than much else, but they are what they are. A person with that past has to realize three similar things:

1) Your colleagues will not respect you
2) Your community, particularly parents, will not respect or trust you and think you will do harm
3) Your students will not respect traditional authoritative boundaries, thus breaking both the student-teacher relationship and academic excellence.

As such, your placement in the classroom will likely not be constructive, not worth the effort, not worth the state's funds, and will be an unnecessary distraction from the education of the students.
 
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