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NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/15/n...e-on-gun-laws.html?partner=MYWAY&ei=5065&_r=2&

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The expanded ban on assault weapons would broaden the definition of such weapons, banning semiautomatic pistols and rifles with detachable magazines and one military-style feature, as well as semiautomatic shotguns with one military-style feature. New Yorkers who already own such guns could keep them but would be required to register them with the state.

The most significant new proposal would require mental health professionals to report to local mental health officials when they believe that patients are likely to harm themselves or others. Law enforcement would then be authorized to confiscate any firearm owned by a dangerous patient; therapists would not be sanctioned for a failure to report such patients if they acted “in good faith.”

The legislative package, which Mr. Cuomo said he believed would be “the most comprehensive package in the nation,” would ban any gun magazine that can hold over 7 rounds of ammunition — the current limit is 10 rounds. It would also require background checks of ammunition buyers and automated alerts to law enforcement of high-volume purchases.


Umm.. Anyone have a pistol that has LESS than a 10-round clip? Answer. Nope you idiots!!

Banning semi-auto shotguns, WHAT?

What is military-style feature?


Tim-
 
This looks like a perfect experiment to me.

If gun violence in NY shows a dramatic decrease after this bill is passed, then gun control works.
If it doesn't , then gun control doesn't work.

Anyone taking any bets?
 
This looks like a perfect experiment to me.

If gun violence in NY shows a dramatic decrease after this bill is passed, then gun control works.
If it doesn't , then gun control doesn't work.

Anyone taking any bets?

How do you figure that? If my car has blown a rod and a mechanic simply changes the oil and it still does not run is it then fair for me to say that I never need to work on the cars engine?
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/15/n...e-on-gun-laws.html?partner=MYWAY&ei=5065&_r=2&

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Umm.. Anyone have a pistol that has LESS than a 10-round clip? Answer. Nope you idiots!!

Banning semi-auto shotguns, WHAT?

What is military-style feature?


Tim-

Way I hear it, it is flash suppressor, bayonet lug or pistol grip. can have one but no more so most semi shotties I have seen are GTG.

I have magazines not clips, the snips got it correct, you didn't.... none of mine are less than 13 but then again I don't live in New York.

What caught my eye is the Senate is controlled by the GOP, which comes from the conservative north part of the state and has traditionally fought against democrat proposals. According to Huff, several GOP senators lost their seats to hard right candidates because they voted for same sex marriage.

Given the hard right's love of doing it at the State Level I can't help but feel this is a Tea Party success. Pass the STATE law, and challenge it in court.
 
Eh, more reason I have no intention of moving to New York. And further evidence of the notion of "incrimentalism" in terms of the restricting of arms.
 
Way I hear it, it is flash suppressor, bayonet lug or pistol grip. can have one but no more so most semi shotties I have seen are GTG.

I have magazines not clips, the snips got it correct, you didn't.... none of mine are less than 13 but then again I don't live in New York.

What caught my eye is the Senate is controlled by the GOP, which comes from the conservative north part of the state and has traditionally fought against democrat proposals. According to Huff, several GOP senators lost their seats to hard right candidates because they voted for same sex marriage.

Given the hard right's love of doing it at the State Level I can't help but feel this is a Tea Party success. Pass the STATE law, and challenge it in court.

Yeah I know weird that the GOP controls the Senate from whence this bill came.. I need more details. As far as clips magazines is conerned, really? Do they even make clips that are not also magazines anynore? :)


Tim-
 
Eh, more reason I have no intention of moving to New York. And further evidence of the notion of "incrimentalism" in terms of the restricting of arms.

Yeah well I do live here and I ain't happy about it. Although this law is not retroactive I see no way of proving to a police officer that my guns are legal without first being arrested.

Tim-
 
How do you figure that? If my car has blown a rod and a mechanic simply changes the oil and it still does not run is it then fair for me to say that I never need to work on the cars engine?


If NYC passes a strong gun control law, and if gun violence then goes down, it follows that it is possible that gun control works. if NYC passes a strong gun control law, and gun violence does not go down, then it follows that gun control doesn't work.

Likewise, if your car has thrown a rod, and an oil change doesn't make it run any better, then it follows that an oil change doesn't fix a thrown rod. I think the effectiveness of fixing a thrown rod by changing the oil is just as predictable as the effectiveness of reducing gun violence by passing strong gun control legislation, but that's just me. Since they've passed such a law, the next step is to turn on the ignition and see if the car runs. I'm betting against it.
 
Yeah I know weird that the GOP controls the Senate from whence this bill came.. I need more details. As far as clips magazines is conerned, really? Do they even make clips that are not also magazines anynore? :)


Tim-

Clips that are also magazines? Contradiction in terms. These days the majority of clips are used to recharge military style magazines using a 'charger' adapter. Most call them stripper clips, the old M1 garand uses enbloc clips as did an Italian WWII rifle or two.

There is a difference.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/15/n...e-on-gun-laws.html?partner=MYWAY&ei=5065&_r=2&

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Umm.. Anyone have a pistol that has LESS than a 10-round clip? Answer. Nope you idiots!!

Banning semi-auto shotguns, WHAT?

What is military-style feature?


Tim-

You missed the best (worst?) part:

New Yorkers who already own such guns could keep them but would be required to register them with the state.

What moron would think this is not simply "step one"? Allowing all that now have "evil guns" to keep them ONLY if they are "registered" is insane. Once you "register" these EGs then what? Are private sales of NY's registered EGs still legal? This gets exactly ZERO guns "off the streets" yet increases the value of any "registered" EGs in NY quite a bit, creating a "monopoly" of these firearms.

I am unclear whether the bill contains a time limit for "registering" all of your "still temporarily legal" (grandfathered?) EGs or if all non-evil guns must also be registered (by that "drop dead" date too). I am surely glad that I do not live in the Peoples Republic of New York.

What happens to some poor slob that moves into NY 10 years from now and owns several EGs bought 2 years from now?
 
If NYC passes a strong gun control law, and if gun violence then goes down, it follows that it is possible that gun control works. if NYC passes a strong gun control law, and gun violence does not go down, then it follows that gun control doesn't work.

It should be noted that D.C. had more restrictive gun control laws than NYC and yet they have the highest crime rate in the nation. (last i heard and before SCOTUS ruled on that one case)
 
Yep. Way to go New York State. I'm guessing you'll see a 1-2% decrease in the state's population over the next twelve months. As of last night several of my friends in the Cortland, NY area were already working on moving their firearms out of state and starting the process of seeking new jobs and homes in Pennsylvania.

The worst part, in my mind anyway, is that some of these people actually thing this is going to change things for the better.
 
It should be noted that D.C. had more restrictive gun control laws than NYC and yet they have the highest crime rate in the nation. (last i heard and before SCOTUS ruled on that one case)

Before you do an experiment, you should review the literature. A review of the literature would have shown what you just posted. The hypothesis, then, for the experiment in NY should be that gun control laws don't work. If, as expected, gun violence does not decrease, then the hypothesis that gun control laws don't work should be confirmed.

If, that is, laws were based on the scientific method instead of on emotions and wishful thinking.
 
It should be noted that D.C. had more restrictive gun control laws than NYC and yet they have the highest crime rate in the nation. (last i heard and before SCOTUS ruled on that one case)

It may occur to these libtards, after they pass even more moronic laws, that criminals tend not to obey laws, that is how they become criminals, after all. What is being sought, of course, is a set of "new" laws that require no actual victim or even any true "criminal intent"; NY can now create criminals, prosecute them, with only the need of an LEO (a professional state's witness), and then fine them, take their "unregistered" property and possibly even jail them. This is the liberal paradise, where the police rid the state of all "wrong thinking" folks that thought "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" did not mean that carrying a legally obtained gun in the state of NY was now a crime (unless granted prior permssion by the state of NY).
 
Before you do an experiment, you should review the literature. A review of the literature would have shown what you just posted. The hypothesis, then, for the experiment in NY should be that gun control laws don't work. If, as expected, gun violence does not decrease, then the hypothesis that gun control laws don't work should be confirmed.

If, that is, laws were based on the scientific method instead of on emotions and wishful thinking.

You ignore the, all important, libtard variable. Once you have achieved a 75% complete list of all "registered" guns (step one) then you can "alter" the experiment by expanding the number of guns actually removed "from the streets" from ZERO to a higher number (step two). As long as the temperature of the cooking pot is gradually raised, the frog will eventually boil, not simply hop out. ;)
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/15/n...e-on-gun-laws.html?partner=MYWAY&ei=5065&_r=2&

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Umm.. Anyone have a pistol that has LESS than a 10-round clip? Answer. Nope you idiots!!

Banning semi-auto shotguns, WHAT?

What is military-style feature?


Tim-

Most 1911 pistols are 7 round magazines (45 acp) and some pocket-pistols fall under the 7 round limit (sig-238, p3at, etc).

Banning semi-auto shotguns will sure piss off the sporting-clays people.

As to what a military-style feature is....I have no effing idea, I guess if it's black and looks scary.
 
This looks like a perfect experiment to me.

If gun violence in NY shows a dramatic decrease after this bill is passed, then gun control works.
If it doesn't , then gun control doesn't work.

Anyone taking any bets?

Yep I will take the under, as in difference? What differrence? Gun crimes will go up even.
 
Most 1911 pistols are 7 round magazines (45 acp) and some pocket-pistols fall under the 7 round limit (sig-238, p3at, etc).

Banning semi-auto shotguns will sure piss off the sporting-clays people.

As to what a military-style feature is....I have no effing idea, I guess if it's black and looks scary.

Point taken, and look at all those lives we lose each year because of bayonet lugs on firearms, and the collapsible stocks on AR15's because they are generally the most dangerous parts of the gun.

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This argument is entirely reliant on the hope that the electorate will never delve past this assumption. It requires that a large number of Americans be so unbearably ignorant and aloof that they fail to recognize that a firearm's recreational use has absolutely nothing to do with its usefulness in the context of the most obvious enumeration of our rights as Americans -- the Bill of Rights.

Our Founders had very specific intentions in regard to firearms and the protection of the people's right to own them. And the intent had little, if anything, to do with hunting or sport. The more practical use of guns is to kill people, should that unpleasant need arise.

Consider Thomas Jefferson's reasoning for why the citizenry must have firearms: "And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms."

Thomas Jefferson is not known to be a careless author. This statement clearly shows our Founders' resolve in keeping the public armed. Neither was James Madison, principal author of the Bill of Rights. And neither are the chosen words of the Second Amendment careless in conveying this message: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Notably absent is any specificity about hunting or killing game. Notably present is specificity about what and whose rights must not be infringed. It is the "right of the people to keep and bear arms" that shall not be infringed. The "well-regulated militia" is admittedly necessary, but it is not the militia's right that is specifically protected. It is the "people" whose right is specifically protected, because our founders understood that to preserve our liberties, we must have the ability to take up arms against our rulers.

http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Thomas.Jefferson.Quote.EFEC


Tim-
 
Point taken, and look at all those lives we lose each year because of bayonet lugs on firearms, and the collapsible stocks on AR15's because they are generally the most dangerous parts of the gun.
Tim-

I really doubt anyone in the modern age has been killed by this:
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so comical that they think they really need to regulate such trivial things such as this. If you really want to put a bayonet on your gun (rifle or pistol) go ahead, the only way it makes your gun more lethal is by adding the ability to make someone laugh themselves to death!


and the only thing collapsible stocks do is allow you to adjust your rifle so that it fits you better, wtf, you can have your rifle but IT MUST BE UNCOMFORTABLE!
 
Most 1911 pistols are 7 round magazines (45 acp) and some pocket-pistols fall under the 7 round limit (sig-238, p3at, etc).

Actually, most modern 1911's are EIGHT round magazines (.45ACP). At least the full size and Commander length frames. The Officer's models are generally six rounds, in my experience. There are SOME pocket pistols that do fall within the guideline, but even my sub-compact Sig had an 8 round magazine (9mm).

Banning semi-auto shotguns will sure piss off the sporting-clays people.

Yes it is going to tick off a LOT of people.

As to what a military-style feature is....I have no effing idea, I guess if it's black and looks scary.

Bayonet Lug, Flash Suppressor, Magazine/Clip that loads in front of the trigger guard, pistol grip, collapsable/removable stock, accessory rail, etc....
 
This looks like a perfect experiment to me.

If gun violence in NY shows a dramatic decrease after this bill is passed, then gun control works.
If it doesn't , then gun control doesn't work.

Anyone taking any bets?

I'm willing to bet gun massacres either become less frequent or less deadly. And that's a big deal -- except for NRA types, who care more about their banana clips and macho assault rifles than the safety of school children.
 
I'm willing to bet gun massacres either become less frequent or less deadly. And that's a big deal -- except for NRA types, who care more about their banana clips and macho assault rifles than the safety of school children.

you are batting 100%-every comment you make on this issue is completely idiotic, biased and without any basis in fact
 
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What is military-style feature?


Tim-

Ask the gun manufacturers. They know that military style features sell with the insecure, faux macho type NRA members who need such guns to feel like men.
 
you are batting 100%-every comment you make on this issue is completely idiotic, biased and without any basis in fact

Shush, little one. The men are here now to bring sanity to another gun haunted thread.
 
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