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Wyoming Bill Would Nullify Obama Gun Control, Jail Feds.....

Really? Where was the racial slur?

And I repeat my question - when was the first lesson taught by the states to the Federal Government? 1861?

If Wyoming or any other Hillbilly Haven tries that again, I'll be first in line at the enlistment office even though I'm probably too old.

Now if they, or any other folks want to secede and form their own country, I'll help them pack.
Look at you...how cute and frothy at the prospect of a federal violation of the 2nd and 4th amendments of citizens and states rights. You SHOULD rush right down and enlist.
 
Nah, just more than willing to do my part to eliminate traitors and right wing nutjobs who take the law into their own hands. Do you plan on joining the rebellion? Has the NRA and the gun manufacturers gotten you so riled up you're willing to take up arms against your country?
 
Nah, just more than willing to do my part to eliminate traitors and right wing nutjobs who take the law into their own hands. Do you plan on joining the rebellion? Has the NRA and the gun manufacturers gotten you so riled up you're willing to take up arms against your country?

This is not my country anymore, Wiggen. It hasn't been for a little over a century and a half. It will not likely be again at any time in the course of my life.
 
Nah, just more than willing to do my part to eliminate traitors and right wing nutjobs who take the law into their own hands. Do you plan on joining the rebellion? Has the NRA and the gun manufacturers gotten you so riled up you're willing to take up arms against your country?

You do understand that tyranny always begins with disarming its population, don't you? It's only happened over and over and over and over, but like most liberals, you think history began the day you were born. Open a book for a change.
 
They say the Fed tries and takes their Rights.....it will be a crime. Already they have Police Chiefs and Sherriffs are already working on Strategies to protect gun rights in their jurisdiction. They are wasting no time with this State Legislation.

Three points:

1. Prospective changes in the nation's gun laws might be subject to constitutional challenge. That legal avenue would exist regardless of any laws adopted by Wyoming. Legal avenues and elections is where the battle should be fought. Soft secession is not the proper approach.

2. Wyoming is not a sovereign country. Federal law takes primacy over state law. Were Wyoming to adopt laws that interfere with federal enforcement beyond what is constitutionally permissible e.g., legal challenges are allowable, those acts would amount to crimes. The federal government would be justified in taking extraordinary measures in such circumstances. That it could take such measures has precedent e.g., as had been the case when it came to enforcement of the civil rights laws.

3. Should the federal government have to take such extraordinary measures, the political leaders and others responsible for bringing about such a situation should be held accountable to the fullest extent under the law. At the same time, the State of Wyoming should be required to fully compensate the federal government.
 
1. Prospective changes in the nation's gun laws might be subject to constitutional challenge. That legal avenue would exist regardless of any laws adopted by Wyoming. Legal avenues and elections is where the battle should be fought. Soft secession is not the proper approach.

2. Wyoming is not a sovereign country. Federal law takes primacy over state law. Were Wyoming to adopt laws that interfere with federal enforcement beyond what is constitutionally permissible e.g., legal challenges are allowable, those acts would amount to crimes. The federal government would be justified in taking extraordinary measures in such circumstances. That it could take such measures has precedent e.g., as had been the case when it came to enforcement of the civil rights laws.

3. Should the federal government have to take such extraordinary measures, the political leaders and others responsible for bringing about such a situation should be held accountable to the fullest extent under the law. At the same time, the State of Wyoming should be required to fully compensate the federal government.

We've tried it the nice way for almost eighty years, don. Since 1934 the Federal and State governments have been slowly but surely chipping away at our Second Amendment Rights. At some point, someone has to stand up and say "NO MORE!!!" For some of us, many of us even, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is more important than even the Right to Life. Many of us are willing to trade our lives to protect the RTKBA. I hope that Mr. Obama thinks about that before he opens his mouth tomorrow morning and starts making us even less proud of our Government.
 
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As the Obama administration plots various assaults on gun rights by “executive order” and legislation, proposals described as “very extreme” even by some Democrats, state lawmakers in Wyoming have another idea. Republican legislators are rallying behind nullification legislation that would void unconstitutional infringements on the right to keep and bear arms, even providing prison time for any federal agents who may try to enforce Washington, D.C., gun control in the state. Lawmakers expect it to pass.

The new bill, H.B. 0104 or the “Firearms Protection Act,” would nullify any new federal infringements on the constitutionally protected gun rights of state residents — who enjoy some of the lowest crime rates while being among the most heavily armed people in America. Unconstitutional federal gun registration schemes, as well as restrictions on semi-automatic guns or standard-capacity magazines, would also be nullified under the legislation.

There are teeth in the proposed law too: Any federal official attempting to enforce unconstitutional statutes or decrees infringing on gun rights passed after January 1 of this year would be charged with a felony. If convicted, criminal officials would be punished by up to five years in state prison and a $5,000 fine. The legislation also authorizes the state attorney general to defend citizens of Wyoming if federal authorities seek prosecutions under unconstitutional gun control rules.


Wyoming Bill Would Nullify Obama Gun Control, Jail Feds

Alright Wyoming. :rock They say the Fed tries and takes their Rights.....it will be a crime. Already they have Police Chiefs and Sherriffs are already working on Strategies to protect gun rights in their jurisdiction. They are wasting no time with this State Legislation.
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I think we are going to see more of this type of legislation as the federal continues to push for expansion. During the oil spill in '10 Plaquemines(Plak a mens) parish president was getting frustrated with all of the federal officials getting in the way of the local cleanup efforts so he just went up to them and warned them that if they didn't back away and let the crews get their work accomplished he would instruct the sheriff's office to arrest them on obstruction and then the D.A. would file prosecution papers.

I see a trend of the smaller governments getting sick and tired of federal overstepping of their authority.
 
We've tried it the nice way for almost eighty years, don. Since 1934 the Federal and State governments have been slowly but surely chipping away at our Second Amendment Rights. At some point, someone has to stand up and say "NO MORE!!!" For some of us, many of us even, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is more important than even the Right to Life. Many of us are willing to trade our lives to protect the RTKBA. I hope that Mr. Obama thinks about that before he opens his mouth tomorrow morning and starts making us even less proud of our Government.

It has to be done legally. If one becomes free to put one's cause, no matter how noble, ahead of the constitutional avenues for pursuing it, the constitution and its protections would cease to have meaning. IMO, such an outcome would not safeguard the constitution's protections, but put them at risk, as any party that has the capacity to exert its will, could do so under such circumstances.
 
It has to be done legally. If one becomes free to put one's cause, no matter how noble, ahead of the constitutional avenues for pursuing it, the constitution and its protections would cease to have meaning. IMO, such an outcome would not safeguard the constitution's protections, but put them at risk, as any party that has the capacity to exert its will, could do so under such circumstances.

The issue with that mentality in this case is the fact that it is the SCOTUS, the POTUS, and the US Congress who are the Constitutional avenues for pursuing these issues and they've ALL repeatedly proven that they are not on our side to any degree in this fight.
 
The issue with that mentality in this case is the fact that it is the SCOTUS, the POTUS, and the US Congress who are the Constitutional avenues for pursuing these issues and they've ALL repeatedly proven that they are not on our side to any degree in this fight.

given that array of opposition and their credentials, that recurring opposition to what you believe, by august officials, should cause you to reflect on the soundness of your personal beliefs

... can i get an amen from the choir?!
 
Not unless 'cracker' is now recognized as one of the world's races. The last time I checked, it wasn't.

List of Human Races

Really? Where was the racial slur?

Cracker is a racial slur for white people, and unless you live in a cave, you knew that, you're just trying to play stupid.

From dictionary.com:
crack·er [krak-er] Show IPA
noun
Slang: Disparaging and Offensive. a poor white person living in some rural parts of the southeastern U.S.

N***er, spick, wetback, cracker, etc. are all racial slurs. As racial slurs they are not the NAME of the race. Your uneducation on the subject is appalling. Do you call black people "n***ers" but say "no, no, it's ok, that's not a race."?

I'd also like to remind you that you have violated the rules of this forum by calling someone by a racial slur. It also in the process made you and your ramblings look like horrifically ignorant.
 
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Three points:

1. Prospective changes in the nation's gun laws might be subject to constitutional challenge. That legal avenue would exist regardless of any laws adopted by Wyoming. Legal avenues and elections is where the battle should be fought. Soft secession is not the proper approach.
It's not a "soft secession" per se but re establishing in a small way the balance between a state's rights and the federal's enumerated powers. Arresting federal agents for violating law is a hell of a first step into reinstituting federalism. The problem is we have a federal government that is overplaying it's hand and has done so for nearly a century. The states hold most of the domestic power in the U.S. but have been coerced into compliance with federal expansion, it would actually warm my heart to see a few federal officers incarcerated under such a law.

2. Wyoming is not a sovereign country. Federal law takes primacy over state law. Were Wyoming to adopt laws that interfere with federal enforcement beyond what is constitutionally permissible e.g., legal challenges are allowable, those acts would amount to crimes. The federal government would be justified in taking extraordinary measures in such circumstances. That it could take such measures has precedent e.g., as had been the case when it came to enforcement of the civil rights laws.
States are sovereign by the nature of the constitution, we are a federal republic. The only powers the federal are supposed to have are explicitly spelled out in the U.S. Constitution, there has been a massive power grab since the Wilson administration.
3. Should the federal government have to take such extraordinary measures, the political leaders and others responsible for bringing about such a situation should be held accountable to the fullest extent under the law. At the same time, the State of Wyoming should be required to fully compensate the federal government.
Nope, wrong. When the federal oversteps it's authority it has no recourse. I'm all in favor of Wyoming passing this law and I hope my state, Texas, and more follow.
 
Lol.

"Cracker" is as much of a racial slur as "nigger" and "beaner" are.
Correct. Though some "race based" scholars tried to issue an argument that racial slurs can't apply to majority populations because they have power and don't have the right to be offended. :roll:
 
given that array of opposition and their credentials, that recurring opposition to what you believe, by august officials, should cause you to reflect on the soundness of your personal beliefs.

What credentials? The ability to get the Mob that is the American voting public to vote for them and/or to get themselves appointed by elected officials? Not exactly world-beating credentials. Especially when it comes to something that most Lawyers don't seem to believe exists.... the distinction between RIGHT and WRONG. Throw the US Constitution out and these proposed laws are STILL ridiculous, moronic, and worthless on their face.
 
Cracker is a racial slur for white people, and unless you live in a cave, you knew that, you're just trying to play stupid.

From dictionary.com:
crack·er [krak-er] Show IPA
noun
Slang: Disparaging and Offensive. a poor white person living in some rural parts of the southeastern U.S.

N***er, spick, wetback, cracker, etc. are all racial slurs. As racial slurs they are not the NAME of the race. Your uneducation on the subject is appalling. Do you call black people "n***ers" but say "no, no, it's ok, that's not a race."?

I'd also like to remind you that you have violated the rules of this forum by calling someone by a racial slur. It also in the process made you and your ramblings look like horrifically ignorant.

Hon- you just don't understand. In Wiggensworld, all things white and southern are fair game for hatred.
 
What credentials? The ability to get the Mob that is the American voting public to vote for them and/or to get themselves appointed by elected officials? Not exactly world-beating credentials. Especially when it comes to something that most Lawyers don't seem to believe exists.... the distinction between RIGHT and WRONG. Throw the US Constitution out and these proposed laws are STILL ridiculous, moronic, and worthless on their face.

forgot tigger; no qualification required for a SCOTUS appointment
 
Well, this takes the matter beyond one legislator in Texas (as mentioned in another thread). It's dead canary in the coal mine time.

Crap, I was hoping the nation would hold together at least until I'm dead and gone.
 
All that is needed is for a couple more states to join with Wyoming to back the dissenters and show the Obama Administration that America is fed up with the assault on our Constitution and Bill Of Rights and that there will be no more compromise_

I fully expect Texas to react much the same as Wyoming and possibly a couple of the southern states_

Hopefully this will grow into a national movement since we can expect no help from main stream media_
 
All that is needed is for a couple more states to join with Wyoming to back the dissenters and show the Obama Administration that America is fed up with the assault on our Constitution and Bill Of Rights and that there will be no more compromise_

I fully expect Texas to react much the same as Wyoming and possibly a couple of the southern states_

Hopefully this will grow into a national movement since we can expect no help from main stream media_

They did and so did Indiana.
 
Nah, just more than willing to do my part to eliminate traitors and right wing nutjobs who take the law into their own hands. Do you plan on joining the rebellion? Has the NRA and the gun manufacturers gotten you so riled up you're willing to take up arms against your country?

Not against the country. FOR the country, against ALL enemies, foreign AND domestic.
 
2. Wyoming is not a sovereign country. Federal law takes primacy over state law. Were Wyoming to adopt laws that interfere with federal enforcement beyond what is constitutionally permissible e.g., legal challenges are allowable, those acts would amount to crimes. The federal government would be justified in taking extraordinary measures in such circumstances. That it could take such measures has precedent e.g., as had been the case when it came to enforcement of the civil rights laws.

That is true if, and only if, the administration is willing to enforce the laws. Obama's casual dismissal of any law he finds inconvenient, from immigration enforcement to marijuana, have completely undermined any moral authority to act against an individual state.
 
Three points:

1. Prospective changes in the nation's gun laws might be subject to constitutional challenge. That legal avenue would exist regardless of any laws adopted by Wyoming. Legal avenues and elections is where the battle should be fought. Soft secession is not the proper approach.

2. Wyoming is not a sovereign country. Federal law takes primacy over state law. Were Wyoming to adopt laws that interfere with federal enforcement beyond what is constitutionally permissible e.g., legal challenges are allowable, those acts would amount to crimes. The federal government would be justified in taking extraordinary measures in such circumstances. That it could take such measures has precedent e.g., as had been the case when it came to enforcement of the civil rights laws.

3. Should the federal government have to take such extraordinary measures, the political leaders and others responsible for bringing about such a situation should be held accountable to the fullest extent under the law. At the same time, the State of Wyoming should be required to fully compensate the federal government.
Theres a catch. Thats if the other states go along, like say Texas, or South Dakota. If more than one state does this which is what it sounds like may be happening then the Feds are going to have a very serious problem eepecially if the people of those states decide to get behind their representives. Then theres going to be a crisis especially if the Feds try to push the issue.
 
In order for the WY bill to have teeth it would have to be enforced by the People. If WY arrests Feds then the Feds will arrest WY politicians and officials. The People would then have to take action. How likely is that?
 
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