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Dad poses as gunman to test school security, gets arrested

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Dad poses as gunman to test school security, gets arrested - U.S. News

A Texas man is facing third-degree felony charges of making a terroristic threat after he allegedly told elementary school staffers he brought a gun to the building.

Officials say Ronald Miller was unarmed Wednesday when he told a school greeter outside Celina Elementary School that he had a gun, according to NBCDFW.com. The town of Celina is just north of Dallas.

The greeter froze in panic when Miller said he was a gunman and his target was inside, Celina Independent School District Superintendent Donny O'Dell told NBCDFW.com. Miller was then able to walk into the school and entered the office.

"He told them that he is a shooter and 'you're dead, and you're dead,'" O'Dell told NBCDFW.com. Never showing a weapon, Miller then reportedly revealed his stunt was a test of school safety and he wanted to talk to the principal.
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That fact that someone would do this at all is astounding. But at an elementary school after Sandy Hook is incomprehensible. I also think the school should have handled it better. It goes on to say that they didn't call the police until he left the building.
 
Its not in the report, did he actually bring a gun into the school?
 
Wouldn't it be great if the 'greeter' blew him away?
 
Granted, that's pants-on-head stupid, but yeah...why weren't there two or three tasers taking this jackhole down, just feet from the entrance? They still let him through to the office.
 
If anyone stupid enough to try such a stunt could get into the building where he could actually shoot someone, then the security system certainly failed the test, didn't it?

and what real shooter would identify himself as such and say his target was in the building? Even doing that, no one stopped him. How's that for a pathetic security system? It would be like an Al Qaeda guy standing up and shouting, "Hey! Over here! I'm a nutter suicide bomber, and I'm coming to get you!"

and the security guard standing there and saying, "Well, goll eeee! What do do now, what do do...."
 
He's lucky a parent (or authorized teacher) that carries didn't walk up behind him. He, at least, woulda needed a new pair of pants, if not a new head.

Even without a gun, if I was behind the guy, I'd have layed 'm down, with broken stuff.
 
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It sounds like the greeter was either a volunteer or a staff member who was greeting and not in any way acting as a security guard. For all we know it was a student's grandmother, so I can't say I'm surprised that the greeter froze. But the office with several people in it should have been able to handle a guy who wasn't holding a weapon.
 
He proved the point that their security sucked, but holy snap that was a colossally stupid way to go about it.
 
People, even reporters, have done that kind of stunt trying to see what they could sneak thru at airports regarding TSA and sercurity.
 
joko104 said:
People, even reporters, have done that kind of stunt trying to see what they could sneak thru at airports regarding TSA and sercurity.
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He didn't sneak in. He was very overt in his entrance and also threatened to kill people.
 
joko104 said:
People, even reporters, have done that kind of stunt trying to see what they could sneak thru at airports regarding TSA and sercurity.
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No, I don't think anybody has told the TSA "I have a gun. You're dead. You're dead..."
 
ecofarm said:
He's lucky a parent (or authorized teacher) that carries didn't walk up behind him. He, at least, woulda needed a new pair of pants, if not a new head.

Even without a gun, if I was behind the guy, I'd have layed 'm down, with broken stuff.
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I think he quickly told the office staff it was a test and many recognized him as a parent. But he is damn lucky indeed.

In light of the recent shooting of the school at Sandy Hook that was one dumb ass stunt. Am pretty certain there would have been plenty of dads if at the office who would have taken him out singlehandily.

This stunt would be as dumb as boarding an airplane and shouting Praise Allah.
 
Pilot said:
Dad poses as gunman to test school security, gets arrested - U.S. News



That fact that someone would do this at all is astounding. But at an elementary school after Sandy Hook is incomprehensible. I also think the school should have handled it better. It goes on to say that they didn't call the police until he left the building.
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That man is lucky.Because had the school passed his test he would have been severely injured or dead. Its troubling that he walked in with no problem no one called the cop until after he left.
 
"A Texas man is facing third-degree felony charges of making a terroristic threat after he allegedly told elementary school staffers he brought a gun to the building."

Well, this is interesting. He apparently intended to utter the words that constitute a terroristic threat, but he didn't intend to actually make a terroristic threat.

After the dust settles, I think we'll see this one knocked down to misdemeanor Assault.

"Bailiff, whack his peepee!"
 
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Dittohead not! said:
If anyone stupid enough to try such a stunt could get into the building where he could actually shoot someone, then the security system certainly failed the test, didn't it?

and what real shooter would identify himself as such and say his target was in the building? Even doing that, no one stopped him. How's that for a pathetic security system? It would be like an Al Qaeda guy standing up and shouting, "Hey! Over here! I'm a nutter suicide bomber, and I'm coming to get you!"

and the security guard standing there and saying, "Well, goll eeee! What do do now, what do do...."
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Yes, that was extremely pathetic. After having worked in an elementary school for a few years, we had a plan for intruders (code red) and we had a definite plan of action. None of what happened in this instance, would have flown a millimeter. I don't understand how in this day and age, schools hadn't already protected themselves against armed intruders. It should not have taken the Hook incident to do so... they should have been doing it LONG before now. Apparently, some still aren't taking it seriously.
 
would like to know his lean and his position on gun control
maybe that will come out
 
Velvet Elvis said:
Granted, that's pants-on-head stupid, but yeah...why weren't there two or three tasers taking this jackhole down, just feet from the entrance? They still let him through to the office.
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There is a reason. Unless you sit there and treat every person entering the school as an armed shooting suspect, including the kids and teachers who are supposed to be there, security at the front door is pretty much useless. You are talking about stopping dedicated suicidal heavily armed shooters. Anyone like that is going to draw and shoot your guards long before they have a chance to ready their weapons if they are not prepared first. Guards at the front door are there to stop smuggled contraband and perhaps some kid bringing a gun to school for the purpose of impressing their friends, but any person who wants to kill off anyone in the school will just draw and shoot the guards first. This father did prove the point when he said bang you are dead. Had he had a gun and was going to shoot he is absolutely right the guards would be dead. It is the same reason why malls are able to be shot up despite guards almost always being present there, and even police officers being present at malls. It is the same reason why clerks with guns really only stop suspects who are not ready to shoot up the place with their guns. It is the main reason why the NRA's plan is a joke meant to sell more guns.
 
Pilot said:
It sounds like the greeter was either a volunteer or a staff member who was greeting and not in any way acting as a security guard. For all we know it was a student's grandmother, so I can't say I'm surprised that the greeter froze. But the office with several people in it should have been able to handle a guy who wasn't holding a weapon.
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Again, he is still correct. unless the security guard is prepared with their gun drawn he would shoot them before they could react. I don't know what you people think a security guard is, but they are certainly not quick draw experts ready at the fraction of a second it takes for a shooter to blow them away. Even police officers are rarely that prepared which is why they often get shot when a person who wants to kill confronts them from a position of peace. Do you really want guards with their guns drawn looking over every elementary school kid? Guards are not well trained professionals, they are people who were lucky to get a job that doesn't involve saying "do you want furries with that." That should be fries not furries.
 
tererun said:
There is a reason. Unless you sit there and treat every person entering the school as an armed shooting suspect, including the kids and teachers who are supposed to be there, security at the front door is pretty much useless. You are talking about stopping dedicated suicidal heavily armed shooters. Anyone like that is going to draw and shoot your guards long before they have a chance to ready their weapons if they are not prepared first. Guards at the front door are there to stop smuggled contraband and perhaps some kid bringing a gun to school for the purpose of impressing their friends, but any person who wants to kill off anyone in the school will just draw and shoot the guards first. This father did prove the point when he said bang you are dead. Had he had a gun and was going to shoot he is absolutely right the guards would be dead. It is the same reason why malls are able to be shot up despite guards almost always being present there, and even police officers being present at malls. It is the same reason why clerks with guns really only stop suspects who are not ready to shoot up the place with their guns. It is the main reason why the NRA's plan is a joke meant to sell more guns.
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In part I agree. First and foremost, the dad in the OP is a dumber than hammered ****. What was the system he was testing? There's little likelihood he knew the actual security protocol and procedure for the school. Granted it didn't seem to work, whatever it was. But the last thing the school needs is a bunch of dickwits running around acting like the idiot did in the OP.

We agree that very few schools are or will be hardened to the point that they will be completely safe for students and staff. Few people would want the inconvenience of that kind of system, even if they could afford it in their child's district. And anyway, they can't afford it.

I'd put money on the same dad not knowing jack about the school's violence prevention programs, and counseling programs, and anti-bullying programs. My money says the dumbass has no idea if those programs satisfactory or what more might be required. Also, I wonder if the dad is up on relevant statistical data or if he advocates and supports critical social programs and mental health support for families. That's if he is even aware of what might be available and what needs to be available.

Some of the nation is in media directed knee-jerk mode, and they aren't really thinking. They are reacting and sadly that is what the results will eventually look like at the local school levels.
 
I dont know how things work across the country but in my schoold district here in PA and every neighboring one ive been too working with youths and the schools this guy never gets in unless he breaks in.

ALL my schools have locked doors and a buzzer system or a greeter behind the locked doors with a intercom.

So he would have to actually wait to be let in before he said im a shooter or anything like that.

BUT i do admit specially at my high school, maybe they just buzz ME in cause they know me which is still not cool but there they just have a camera there on you, say hello, ask you your business and buzz. And they door ou have to go to is BY the office but not in it, it goes into the main hallway and you must choose to NOT run up the stairs to the second floor of the school to even pass the office. I have mentioned this actually but no one seems to care.

My school also DOES have an armed guard though, not sure why he isnt in control of the buzzer and isnt placed at the door, he "rovers" the building. I think the better set up is stay at the door and respond to trouble inside when needed. Have others rover the building.
 
Dittohead not! said:
You mean a good, devout Muslim can't pray for a safe trip?
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If that devout Muslin has any common sense he will know that Allah has very good hearing and there would be no need to shout it.

If that devout Muslin has any common sense he knows he would likely have someone in his face.

Anyway he has much a right to shout his prayer as I do to shout in has face to STFU.
 
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