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Dad poses as gunman to test school security, gets arrested

I'd put money on the same dad not knowing jack about the school's violence prevention programs, and counseling programs, and anti-bullying programs. My money says the dumbass has no idea if those programs satisfactory or what more might be required. Also, I wonder if the dad is up on relevant statistical data or if he advocates and supports critical social programs and mental health support for families. That's if he is even aware of what might be available and what needs to be available.

Oh, you know he is probably the first one to spearhead a school bond with increase real estate tax to pay for armed guards.
 
I dont know how things work across the country but in my schoold district here in PA and every neighboring one ive been too working with youths and the schools this guy never gets in unless he breaks in.

ALL my schools have locked doors and a buzzer system or a greeter behind the locked doors with a intercom.

Most of the schools I have seen do not have these systems already. In a country where a large percentage of the people want to cut school funding making all schools that secure costs money. Money very few places have, and very few people want to pay. Also, those electromagnetic locks are not all built the same. Yes, a single person yanking on them can break open some of them. I know, i have seen it in person. Then on top of that it is great to have the door locked, but if you can easily break in elsewhere that system is pointless. Finally you have to hope the lowest bidder is smart enough to have those locks de-activate in case of an emergency like a fire, or to allow kids to get out if the school is under attack which then opens the doors so attackers can get in. Again, that system is designed to keep certain types of criminals, like drug dealers, out of the school, but are ineffective vs a dedicated assault.


So he would have to actually wait to be let in before he said im a shooter or anything like that.

Coming up with yet another flaw in that plan. Schools are place where you want to let people in. They are not secure areas where the purpose is to keep most people out. Every day a school may have hundreds or more students who have to pass in and out for their daily lessons. The more you restrict access the more time you take from their schoolday, and the more you bottleneck those students outside where there is no security stopping some guy from driving up and mowing down all those students waiting to get in. Also, many schools have things like gym class and recess where students have an open door to go in and out. All of this really reduces any buzzer system.

on top of that if you really want to prevent contraband like guns entering schools you have to do something more like the TSA has. Now you have some minimum wage slob frisking, wanding, and asking the kids with purty mouths to go into the back room for a strip search. Really, to effectively keep schools free of things like guns and knives you would have to implement a security system much like that seen in low security jails. This involves guards everywhere and security checks every time a kid goes in or out, much like how they do it in jails where cons are often used in DOT work and grounds work. This is because kids will be much like cons in trying to get contraband into schools. This is mainly just the nature of kids in that they like to do things that they are told not to. Go research jails. Despite strip searches, wanding, metal detectors, and guards watching their every move they still get weapons, cell phones, drugs, and all sorts of other things into those places. Those inmates don't go home every night to load up for tomorrow. In the end you local jail is not terribly secure against someone breaking in. If you wanted to shoot up a jail, not a prison, it would be easy to get in and shoot a few people as long as you did not have a concern for getting out alive.
BUT i do admit specially at my high school, maybe they just buzz ME in cause they know me which is still not cool but there they just have a camera there on you, say hello, ask you your business and buzz. And they door ou have to go to is BY the office but not in it, it goes into the main hallway and you must choose to NOT run up the stairs to the second floor of the school to even pass the office. I have mentioned this actually but no one seems to care.

that is because they have other concerns. Cameras are not effective vs a person who doesn't care about escape or getting identified after the fact. To lock down our schools and keep people from wandering negates a big purpose of allowing the children to roam from class to class. If you cannot do it easy, the kids cannot do it easy. That and the cost of modifying the building and getting security guards is a huge reason why it will never be done. If it is ever done it will be a half assed job that will be of little to no effect on dedicated assaults. It will cost money, and the next shooter will have no real problem getting around it.
My school also DOES have an armed guard though, not sure why he isnt in control of the buzzer and isnt placed at the door, he "rovers" the building. I think the better set up is stay at the door and respond to trouble inside when needed. Have others rover the building.

yeah, i know armed guards. Unless those guards are working for something ike the bank and guarding money they are poorly paid, poorly educated, dimwits with no training. The only thing an armed guard is going to do is run his ass off for a half mile until he collapses and then maybe he will call 911. if you are lucky he doesn't fire blindly into the school and hit a kid.

these solutions are just simply not effective for much in regards to an armed assault. They have a purpose, and that is to do their best to prevent drugs and dealers from getting into the schools, and they don't do a great job at that. Really, with modern schools being forced to accept off the wall violent students with so called mental problems you really do not want to put some halfwit with a gun around them.
 
Perhaps they were not surprised by this mans behavior? Most likely if he felt that what he was doing was a good idea he probable has already been vocal with the school staff. If they observed that he was not a real threat then the best move was to let him leave then report the incident to the police.

They probably just said yea right dude, yep see you tomorrow. Then called the cops.
 
1.)Most of the schools I have seen do not have these systems already. In a country where a large percentage of the people want to cut school funding making all schools that secure costs money. Money very few places have, and very few people want to pay. Also, those electromagnetic locks are not all built the same. Yes, a single person yanking on them can break open some of them. I know, i have seen it in person. Then on top of that it is great to have the door locked, but if you can easily break in elsewhere that system is pointless. Finally you have to hope the lowest bidder is smart enough to have those locks de-activate in case of an emergency like a fire, or to allow kids to get out if the school is under attack which then opens the doors so attackers can get in. Again, that system is designed to keep certain types of criminals, like drug dealers, out of the school, but are ineffective vs a dedicated assault.




2.)Coming up with yet another flaw in that plan. Schools are place where you want to let people in. They are not secure areas where the purpose is to keep most people out. Every day a school may have hundreds or more students who have to pass in and out for their daily lessons. The more you restrict access the more time you take from their schoolday, and the more you bottleneck those students outside where there is no security stopping some guy from driving up and mowing down all those students waiting to get in. Also, many schools have things like gym class and recess where students have an open door to go in and out. All of this really reduces any buzzer system.

3.)on top of that if you really want to prevent contraband like guns entering schools you have to do something more like the TSA has. Now you have some minimum wage slob frisking, wanding, and asking the kids with purty mouths to go into the back room for a strip search. Really, to effectively keep schools free of things like guns and knives you would have to implement a security system much like that seen in low security jails. This involves guards everywhere and security checks every time a kid goes in or out, much like how they do it in jails where cons are often used in DOT work and grounds work. This is because kids will be much like cons in trying to get contraband into schools. This is mainly just the nature of kids in that they like to do things that they are told not to. Go research jails. Despite strip searches, wanding, metal detectors, and guards watching their every move they still get weapons, cell phones, drugs, and all sorts of other things into those places. Those inmates don't go home every night to load up for tomorrow. In the end you local jail is not terribly secure against someone breaking in. If you wanted to shoot up a jail, not a prison, it would be easy to get in and shoot a few people as long as you did not have a concern for getting out alive.


4.)that is because they have other concerns. Cameras are not effective vs a person who doesn't care about escape or getting identified after the fact.

5.)To lock down our schools and keep people from wandering negates a big purpose of allowing the children to roam from class to class. If you cannot do it easy, the kids cannot do it easy. That and the cost of modifying the building and getting security guards is a huge reason why it will never be done. If it is ever done it will be a half assed job that will be of little to no effect on dedicated assaults. It will cost money, and the next shooter will have no real problem getting around it.


6.)yeah, i know armed guards. Unless those guards are working for something ike the bank and guarding money they are poorly paid, poorly educated, dimwits with no training. The only thing an armed guard is going to do is run his ass off for a half mile until he collapses and then maybe he will call 911. if you are lucky he doesn't fire blindly into the school and hit a kid.

7.)these solutions are just simply not effective for much in regards to an armed assault. They have a purpose, and that is to do their best to prevent drugs and dealers from getting into the schools, and they don't do a great job at that. Really, with modern schools being forced to accept off the wall violent students with so called mental problems you really do not want to put some halfwit with a gun around them.

1.) one door buzzer and having the other doors locked is very cheap, not sure what type of system you are referring too. The doors in my schools are always open from the inside, just not the out.

but i do agree 100% with you about a dedicated assault, again only going by my area but alot of the doors are mostly glass so if planned well enough yes a dedicated attacker gets in anyway.

2.) i disagree 100% no, they are not. Again not in my area where schools are in doors, gym again that is outside we exit through the gym doors and need one of the 3 gym teachers to lets us in. Also at my highchool where the doors are a driver cant drive up to, they could however find a way into the stadium and snipe people :shrug: but again this is about getting in the school somethings are rational somethings not. If all school districts had the money i have no issues with them being gated :shrug:

3.) a lot of schools have this and it doesnt bother me at all :shrug: but again i definitely understand why all schools cant do this over night.
Not sure why you focus so much on contraband as i never mentioned it. If you are simply pointing out that students still have a lot of potential to get by these systems then i agree :shrug: not sure what that has to do with anything i said since we are talking about outsiders entering the building unchecked or freely.

4.) well thats a problem

5.) totally disagree since in my school system it is easy, the building being locked down has about a zero effect, no in other schools this might be an issue, not mine.

But i do agree again someone motivated could still get in my school

6.) at this point im not even sure you are talking TOO me or just talking in general because a lot of this stuff has nothing to do with my post or my school. Seems you are doing a lot of guessing and arguing against secenrios that you are making up in your head. Now with that said im NOT saying they arent real some where they probably are 100% real but they are NOT blanket statements/truths and are not how it is here :shrug:

anyway the guard or guards at my school have always been either active or retired local police officers


7.) again while i agree that at my school two people dedicated and not afraid to die could still get in the school but that by no means is a reason to not do the steps they already do and more steps.

are you under the impression that i think the things at my school were a fix-all because i never indicated such, i only stated that this dad would have never got in but there are known weakness that i see that people could use to get in.

Seems your post was all over the place. But i did agree with some of it none the less
 
The reality is that no matter what is done in the end if someone is determined they will be able to enter a school. But then there isnt even a need to enter school, all one would need to do is find a good vantage point and a high powered rifle with a scope. The shooter could be on adjacent property or just stop in the street and start shooting.

Of course its a good idea to make schools more secure but there is a limit in what can be done to schools. No security in any school no matter how outlandishly paranoid could stop multiple gunmen with military training. I would imagine that real terrorists are noticing that America is full of soft targets. One vehicle with a bomb could be driven into a building like a school and kill most if not everyone there. All it takes is one person to do that and no guns at all.

At the Columbine tragedy those idiots had failed to explode a propane tank. In Norway the psycho that by himself killed 77 people in one day used a bomb to start with. And look at the Oklahoma bombing. These people cannot be stopped unless the country was in lock down 24/7 and no one had any rights. Sure some can be found and stopped but not all its impossible no matter how many types of firearms the country bans.
 
1.) one door buzzer and having the other doors locked is very cheap, not sure what type of system you are referring too. The doors in my schools are always open from the inside, just not the out.

but i do agree 100% with you about a dedicated assault, again only going by my area but alot of the doors are mostly glass so if planned well enough yes a dedicated attacker gets in anyway.

It is not just the lock, but someone or something to monitor it. Then it is normally not just one door unless you have a small school. Finally, the purpose for it is not the purpose the guy had when he showed up. The locked doors have purposes, but it is not in stopping an armed assault. It is generally to keep out unwanted people and other disruptions. Most of those people are nopt a suicidal gunman, they are people who a locked door is a deterrant to. I will get to why this is actually part of the discussion later.
2.) i disagree 100% no, they are not. Again not in my area where schools are in doors, gym again that is outside we exit through the gym doors and need one of the 3 gym teachers to lets us in. Also at my highchool where the doors are a driver cant drive up to, they could however find a way into the stadium and snipe people :shrug: but again this is about getting in the school somethings are rational somethings not. If all school districts had the money i have no issues with them being gated :shrug:

Agin, you are talking about higher administrative costs, and a faculty that doesn't just prop open the doors because it is a hassel to keep getting them open. The reality is complacency leads to your biggest security holes. It is not just a school problem. The daily grind of dealing with locked doors causes many people to simply decide for themselves locked doors are just a hassel. I have worked in plenty of secure buildings with key card badging. Most of the time the doors get propped because people don't want to badge in all the time, or they forget their badge, and it just doesn't actually stop people from getting in. As soon as people forget about the threat, which is about a day and a half after an event, the security gets defeated by the people inside. Threats and firing people don't help. The only thing that seems to help is more annoying security guards who only are there to complain to the people who open up the doors.

3.) a lot of schools have this and it doesnt bother me at all :shrug: but again i definitely understand why all schools cant do this over night.
Not sure why you focus so much on contraband as i never mentioned it. If you are simply pointing out that students still have a lot of potential to get by these systems then i agree :shrug: not sure what that has to do with anything i said since we are talking about outsiders entering the building unchecked or freely.

A lot of urban schools where the threat of weapons and drugs is more present have these things. Your suburban and rural schools really have no security like this at all, and as we have seen with the reaction to the TSA white rural people hate it when they are treated like criminals, which is what you are suggesting they do to their children. though you may not find it horrible, you are going to have a lot of very pissed off parents when their little brats are frisked and wanded every day going into school. They cannot even deal with it at the airports, how are they going to deal with it every day at school? Eventually what will happen is the parents will bitch enough, the security will be stopped, and then you ashould not even bother with the cost. Security is an expensive pointless thing when there are gaping holes.
4.) well thats a problem

Now we will get to why I mentioned contraband and the actual reasons for this. the cameras are there for the prosecution and deterrent of lesser crimes. This is much like many of the other security measures taken by schools. Cameras don't make it hard for a suicide attack, but they do allow police to have evidence to prosecute fights, tresspassing, theft, and drug dealing. This is the main security concern for most schools. There is also kidnapping which is mainly done by family members over custody and divorce BS. Guards, buzzers and limits on school entry like locked doors, greeters, and cameras have a purpose. they have a value to the safety of the students and the operation of the school. The problem is that if you hammer people with the huge expense of expanding these systems and then the people find out they did no good in stopping a suicidal armed gunman you piss people off. This is why these things should be presented in a completely different discussion than the one about stopping armed assaults in schools and public places. The solutions are different, and require different methods. The ideas are not terrible, and I actually do support them, just not as a method for stopping this type of attack.
5.) totally disagree since in my school system it is easy, the building being locked down has about a zero effect, no in other schools this might be an issue, not mine.

But i do agree again someone motivated could still get in my school

in the most recent attyack the lockdown actually had an effect. The kid had a lot more bullets, but seems to have run out of easy access victims. the purpose of a lockdown is not to prevent the shooter from having access, but rather to confine him until he can be taken by the police and to keep him separated from the students. lockdowns are actually a method with effect on casualties that do have effect and do save lives. Yes, more should be done to make them more effective, but they actually combat the problem without huge expense.
6.) at this point im not even sure you are talking TOO me or just talking in general because a lot of this stuff has nothing to do with my post or my school. Seems you are doing a lot of guessing and arguing against secenrios that you are making up in your head. Now with that said im NOT saying they arent real some where they probably are 100% real but they are NOT blanket statements/truths and are not how it is here :shrug:

anyway the guard or guards at my school have always been either active or retired local police officers

i am addressing the whole system and not just some idea that seems good when you take it completely out of context. The armed guard idea seems great until you actually put it into context of the every day activity of the school, and the reality of armed guards. no they will not be retired police officers when you have to put them in every school in america. There just simply are not enough retired cops to do it even if they wanted to. After you get done paying the grand salaries of the administration of the school, and then the sports budget you pretty much will be stuck with minimum wage and crappy guards. You have to think about the entire school system. That is your problem.

7.) again while i agree that at my school two people dedicated and not afraid to die could still get in the school but that by no means is a reason to not do the steps they already do and more steps.

yes, taking the expense to do nothing that actually stops those people, by your own admittance, does not do anything to combat the problem. It is just BS you do because you cannot come up with a real solution to the problem, and you want to pretend you did something. Besides, doing the wrong thing only makes matters worse when you have a cluster**** and the armed guards go off and shoot some kids because they are pissing themselves. That is not to mention the increase in sexual assault as pedos realize a school armed guard position makes a great position of authority to abuse children from.
are you under the impression that i think the things at my school were a fix-all because i never indicated such, i only stated that this dad would have never got in but there are known weakness that i see that people could use to get in.

Seems your post was all over the place. But i did agree with some of it none the less

I agree, according to your idea which does not take into account much more than do something no matter how much it sucks or would make things worse would be considered all over the place. It is not my fault the world is complicated, but yet I try to actually take other things into account before spouting some knee jerk idea that was not thought through. next time why don't you take into account something more than your idea and actually apply it to the real world in your mind and see what flaws happen when simple idea get put onto complex problems. Don't complain to me about thinking in a complex matter because it defeats your argument.
 
It is not just the lock, but someone or something to monitor it. Then it is normally not just one door unless you have a small school. Finally, the purpose for it is not the purpose the guy had when he showed up. The locked doors have purposes, but it is not in stopping an armed assault. It is generally to keep out unwanted people and other disruptions. Most of those people are nopt a suicidal gunman, they are people who a locked door is a deterrant to. I will get to why this is actually part of the discussion later.


Agin, you are talking about higher administrative costs, and a faculty that doesn't just prop open the doors because it is a hassel to keep getting them open. The reality is complacency leads to your biggest security holes. It is not just a school problem. The daily grind of dealing with locked doors causes many people to simply decide for themselves locked doors are just a hassel. I have worked in plenty of secure buildings with key card badging. Most of the time the doors get propped because people don't want to badge in all the time, or they forget their badge, and it just doesn't actually stop people from getting in. As soon as people forget about the threat, which is about a day and a half after an event, the security gets defeated by the people inside. Threats and firing people don't help. The only thing that seems to help is more annoying security guards who only are there to complain to the people who open up the doors.



A lot of urban schools where the threat of weapons and drugs is more present have these things. Your suburban and rural schools really have no security like this at all, and as we have seen with the reaction to the TSA white rural people hate it when they are treated like criminals, which is what you are suggesting they do to their children. though you may not find it horrible, you are going to have a lot of very pissed off parents when their little brats are frisked and wanded every day going into school. They cannot even deal with it at the airports, how are they going to deal with it every day at school? Eventually what will happen is the parents will bitch enough, the security will be stopped, and then you ashould not even bother with the cost. Security is an expensive pointless thing when there are gaping holes.


Now we will get to why I mentioned contraband and the actual reasons for this. the cameras are there for the prosecution and deterrent of lesser crimes. This is much like many of the other security measures taken by schools. Cameras don't make it hard for a suicide attack, but they do allow police to have evidence to prosecute fights, tresspassing, theft, and drug dealing. This is the main security concern for most schools. There is also kidnapping which is mainly done by family members over custody and divorce BS. Guards, buzzers and limits on school entry like locked doors, greeters, and cameras have a purpose. they have a value to the safety of the students and the operation of the school. The problem is that if you hammer people with the huge expense of expanding these systems and then the people find out they did no good in stopping a suicidal armed gunman you piss people off. This is why these things should be presented in a completely different discussion than the one about stopping armed assaults in schools and public places. The solutions are different, and require different methods. The ideas are not terrible, and I actually do support them, just not as a method for stopping this type of attack.


in the most recent attyack the lockdown actually had an effect. The kid had a lot more bullets, but seems to have run out of easy access victims. the purpose of a lockdown is not to prevent the shooter from having access, but rather to confine him until he can be taken by the police and to keep him separated from the students. lockdowns are actually a method with effect on casualties that do have effect and do save lives. Yes, more should be done to make them more effective, but they actually combat the problem without huge expense.


i am addressing the whole system and not just some idea that seems good when you take it completely out of context. The armed guard idea seems great until you actually put it into context of the every day activity of the school, and the reality of armed guards. no they will not be retired police officers when you have to put them in every school in america. There just simply are not enough retired cops to do it even if they wanted to. After you get done paying the grand salaries of the administration of the school, and then the sports budget you pretty much will be stuck with minimum wage and crappy guards. You have to think about the entire school system. That is your problem.



yes, taking the expense to do nothing that actually stops those people, by your own admittance, does not do anything to combat the problem. It is just BS you do because you cannot come up with a real solution to the problem, and you want to pretend you did something. Besides, doing the wrong thing only makes matters worse when you have a cluster**** and the armed guards go off and shoot some kids because they are pissing themselves. That is not to mention the increase in sexual assault as pedos realize a school armed guard position makes a great position of authority to abuse children from.


I agree, according to your idea which does not take into account much more than do something no matter how much it sucks or would make things worse would be considered all over the place. It is not my fault the world is complicated, but yet I try to actually take other things into account before spouting some knee jerk idea that was not thought through. next time why don't you take into account something more than your idea and actually apply it to the real world in your mind and see what flaws happen when simple idea get put onto complex problems. Don't complain to me about thinking in a complex matter because it defeats your argument.

i didnt read all of this, just skimmed it because its nonsense to anything i actually said but i am interested in the bolded part because it will answer questions has to why on earth you are rambling on

you say it "defeats my argument"

well i didnt make ONE lol, what do you THINK my argument is that you made up in your head because my post that YOU quoted made ZERO argument. It stated two FACTS.

1.) this guy never gets in the schools in my area without doing something different
2.) the schools in my area still have weaknesses

now i ask you again what on gods green earth are you talking about and what did you make up in your head that you think is "my argument" is because you are way out in left field, seems you do this a lot, you argue with ideas in your head and not with the actual topic, discussion or what people are really saying.

i cant wait to read this
 
The reality is that no matter what is done in the end if someone is determined they will be able to enter a school. But then there isnt even a need to enter school, all one would need to do is find a good vantage point and a high powered rifle with a scope. The shooter could be on adjacent property or just stop in the street and start shooting.

Someone wrote a song about it. Wanna hear it? here it goes:



A little song written about a school shooting where the female shooter wasn't even in the schools she shot up. The shooting occurred on jan 29th 1979 at cleveland elementary school in San Diego CA. The girl shot the kids as they were arriving to school making comments like they were easy targets, and that she did not like monday's and it livened up the day. Considering the events the school could have had 50 security guards and she still would have gotten victims because of her vantage point. She held off police in a standoff for 6 hours.

She did this with a semi-auto .22 cal rifle purchased for her by her father, and 500 rounds of ammunition. They don't need to get into the school to shoot people when they have a high powered semi auto rifle with tons of ammo.
 
i didnt read all of this, just skimmed it because its nonsense to anything i actually said but i am interested in the bolded part because it will answer questions has to why on earth you are rambling on

thank you for proving my point that your argument was simplistic and you do not want to take into account any complicated thoughts in regard to solutions to a real world problem with many different elements. Your argument was simple, and it failed because clearly you wanted a simple solution that did not make you have to think or read too much. this may work for some things, but it fails on many levels with this sort of incident. if all you want to do is to shout more guards and buzzered doors without thinking if it makes a difference or works then just say it and i have no real argument I need to make aside from it being simple and poorly thought out. However, if you want to support your idea then you will have to involve yourself in the longer argument and put some real thought into it. don't blame me because that is too much effort for you. It is not for me.
 
thank you for proving my point that your argument was simplistic and you do not want to take into account any complicated thoughts in regard to solutions to a real world problem with many different elements. Your argument was simple, and it failed because clearly you wanted a simple solution that did not make you have to think or read too much. this may work for some things, but it fails on many levels with this sort of incident. if all you want to do is to shout more guards and buzzered doors without thinking if it makes a difference or works then just say it and i have no real argument I need to make aside from it being simple and poorly thought out. However, if you want to support your idea then you will have to involve yourself in the longer argument and put some real thought into it. don't blame me because that is too much effort for you. It is not for me.

translation: you made up an argument in your head and now that i exposed that fact you have nothing to back up the reasoning for your off topic rant.

thank you actually LMAO

by the way the facts the i stated in my OP still stand :shrug:
1.) this guy never gets in the schools in my area without doing something different
2.) the schools in my area still have weaknesses

let me know when you can actually point to any argument you THINK i made in my OP your qouted instead of making stuff up :laughat:
 
translation: you made up an argument in your head and now that i exposed that fact you have nothing to back up the reasoning for your off topic rant.

thank you actually LMAO

by the way the facts the i stated in my OP still stand :shrug:
1.) this guy never gets in the schools in my area without doing something different
2.) the schools in my area still have weaknesses

let me know when you can actually point to any argument you THINK i made in my OP your qouted instead of making stuff up :laughat:

i have already defeated them. you admit you ignored the argument. Sorry man, but you failed big time. You can make up trolls all you want, but any time you actually want to go back and deal with the points you admit were too much for you the post i made is still there, and it stands to this moment.

HTH and HAND.
 
i have already defeated them. you admit you ignored the argument. Sorry man, but you failed big time. You can make up trolls all you want, but any time you actually want to go back and deal with the points you admit were too much for you the post i made is still there, and it stands to this moment.

HTH and HAND.

translation: you made up an argument in your head and now that i exposed that fact you have nothing to back up the reasoning for your off topic rant.

thank you actually LMAO

by the way the facts the i stated in my OP still stand :shrug:
1.) this guy never gets in the schools in my area without doing something different
2.) the schools in my area still have weaknesses

let me know when you can actually point to any argument you THINK i made in my OP your qouted instead of making stuff up :laughat:
 
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Hey you two, tone it down.
 
Their security sucked? No freakin way. It's a school, not a prison.

This guy did all that just by saying he had a gun, he never pulled a weapon out. The security didn't suck, it was nonexistent. Would you be comfortable sending your own child there?
 
While a completely and totally stupid way to do things, I would suggest that the father has likely proven his point; though few on the Left will ever get it.

We as Americans are totally naive when it comes to Security. We have been for my entire life and likely will be for many years to come. We do not understand and would like even less the things necessary to actually Secure a building, whether it be a home, an office, or a public place. Most people will not accept the types of things necessary to actually implement Security in this nation. Thusly, we will have more Columbine, Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech, etc... type shootings for the foreseeable future.
 
This guy did all that just by saying he had a gun, he never pulled a weapon out. The security didn't suck, it was nonexistent. Would you be comfortable sending your own child there?

Yes. It is a school not a prison it's not meant to be on lock down with armed guards and barbed wire fences. FFS.
 
Yes. It is a school not a prison it's not meant to be on lock down with armed guards and barbed wire fences. FFS.

No one has said that schools need to have security that is comparable to a prison, so I am going to assume that you view any security as a "prison environment". Barbed wire fences are a bit extreme, how about securing the entrances and controlling who gets in? As far as the armed guards, there are already armed police resource officers in many high schools. It might not be economically feasible to place them in every school, but they don't seem to be creating a prison environment in the schools that they are in.

What types of security, if any, do you think are acceptable for schools?
 
Another law abiding citizen who believes he is above the law and knowingly violates it to "prove a point". Yea right. He did it to get his name in the paper and become a candidate for thte Darwin award.
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Another law abiding citizen who believes he is above the law and knowingly violates it to "prove a point". Yea right. He did it to get his name in the paper and become a candidate for thte Darwin award.
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next week, he will pose as an armed robber to determine whether his local bank's security is up to par
*"just kidding" he insists as the weapons are being drawn*
 
next week, he will pose as an armed robber to determine whether his local bank's security is up to par
*"just kidding" he insists as the weapons are being drawn*

I like it I like it.
 
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