Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

MMC said:

NRA Slams Biden Meeting.....

The NRA met with Vice President Biden and the gun violence task force today as part of a series of meetings with key stakeholders in the gun debate. The NRA’s statement about the meeting confirms that that White House was never interested in having an honest, inclusive debate about how to prevent tragedies like Newtown from happening again, but rather, is focused on its “agenda to attack the Second Amendment.”

Fairfax, Va.– The National Rifle Association of America is made up of over 4 million moms and dads, daughters and sons, who are involved in the national conversation about how to prevent a tragedy like Newtown from ever happening again. We attended today's White House meeting to discuss how to keep our children safe and were prepared to have a meaningful conversation about school safety, mental health issues, the marketing of violence to our kids and the collapse of federal prosecutions of violent criminals.

"We were disappointed with how little this meeting had to do with keeping our children safe and how much it had to do with an agenda to attack the Second Amendment. While claiming that no policy proposals would be “prejudged,” this Task Force spent most of its time on proposed restrictions on lawful firearms owners - honest, taxpaying, hardworking Americans. It is unfortunate that this Administration continues to insist on pushing failed solutions to our nation's most pressing problems. We will not allow law-abiding gun owners to be blamed for the acts of criminals and madmen. Instead, we will now take our commitment and meaningful contributions to members of congress of both parties who are interested in having an honest conversation about what works - and what does not.".....

The vice president is to submit the task force’s recommendations to President Obama by Tuesday. Biden revealed on Thursday that “an emerging set of recommendations” includes restricting high-capacity magazines and having universal background checks, which would not only close the "gun show loophole" but would also require background checks for all transactions, including private sales.

After yesterday’s meeting with victims of gun violence, Biden said that “the president is going to act,” even if that means using executive orders.

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Maenad said:

"a prohibited person" What is that? And do they buy their guns at Wally World? I think not.

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(d) It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person—
(1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
(2) is a fugitive from justice;
(3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));
(4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;
(5) who, being an alien—
(A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or
(B) except as provided in subsection (2), has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 (a)(26)));
(6) who [2] has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
(7) who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his citizenship;
(8) is subject to a court order that restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that—
(A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received actual notice, and at which such person had the opportunity to participate; and
(B)
(i) includes a finding that such person represents a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child; or
(ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or
(9) has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.
This subsection shall not apply with respect to the sale or disposition of a firearm or ammunition to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector who pursuant to subsection (b) ofsection 925 of this chapter is not precluded from dealing in firearms or ammunition, or to a person who has been granted relief from disabilities pursuant to subsection (c) ofsection 925 of this chapter.

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Maenad said:

All they can really focus on is honest hardworking taxpaying Americans. Which those who do things like shoot up schools and theaters are not. Those people already do not subject themselves to the rule of law and they never will. So everything Biden does or thinks he can do is completely moot. Just like him as a government official and person. They have no leverage to deal with those people and nothing they do aimed at the cohort you just spoke of will change gun violence in this country. It will only hurt those of us who are responsible gun owners. I live so far away from help that I couldn't sleep at night without my gun. But one day, I may have to try if this crap keeps up.

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MMC said:

Once again about Bush.....Who gives a shiznit about Bush. This aint Bush talking the talk now. It's Obama and his People talking the talk. But not walking that walk. Which half of them aren't even qualified to be in the positions they are. Course there are a lont in Washington that are not qualified to be there either. But that's par for the course. Point is with Team Obama there is even more options as why they are woefully inadequate. You say why not influence Americans and the masses to take away their guns. Did you want to apply the same over Benghazi and the Obama Screw-ups? Course there was that whole Libyan fiasco and Obama going with the EP. Did you want to apply all the same golden rules for Boy Blunder?

Exactly if they can use the media so well and manipulate them. This is due to being in bed with the Politicians so to speak. We can prove it is is happening now tho. As all one need due is look how they are up on any shootings Right now, and bringing it to the National Level. Even tho it may not even be National news. Since Sandy Hook look at all the pieces news and Op Eds all over the Gun Issue. Which you are Right they ratcheted things up alright. Now don't you think they should have to feel the Bite from the American people. Putting them on Display over all they have said concerning such an issue?

The relevancy comes with 3 days of Propaganda.....on which Editors that happen to keep the same stories going for whichever news outlet they are with. It does become a lil redundant when several of them all keep the same issue going.....huh? What the rest of the news out in the big bad world stopped all of sudden.

See all it takes is the American people to go after the media personalities that like to put all the garbage up into the Mix. Once those in the World of Media Understand the American people are tired of them Lying to us and not asking the Right Questions and some misfortune starts to fall their way. Bad luck, bad karma entailing from everything from harassment to actual physical harm. Do you think the Media Celebs will then finally get the picture?

Do you think that after a few of those Pundits and so called reporters get their heads busted open with Bricks.....(which is what should be used.) Do you think then the MS media will want a full frontal attack on Bricks then? Cycle it thru weeks and all their 3 day lil events?

See when they are all done talking their BS and lying about the issue. Do you think they still will want to report about how Violence has gone down in this Country? Will they want to bring up the fact that Suicide accounts for 2/3rds of all gun related deaths? Can the Democrats figure that one out with their play on the safety issue? Do you think the Demos can come up with a way to stop people from killing themselves?

Are you sure that American people can't turn back the dumb questions that the Press asks over and over to avoid asking real questions of this President?



Just look what with Cuomo out of New York did yesterday. Did anyone here get the OP up on what he did?

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Risky Thicket said:

Never mind.

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Risky Thicket said:

The Bush White House was most adept at using weapons grade propaganda on the citizens of the United States to gain public approval to needless invade Iraq and cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of people and commit the American taxpayer to fund astronomical expenditures. It could not have happened if the public had not been duped by mass media and bought the lies hook, line, and sinker. The Bush White House was absolutely masterful at doing that. Goebbels would have been in awe. I'm serious.

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iguanaman said:

And then comes Hillary. You know this right?

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Diogenes said:

Unless she "feints" the wrong direction again. The Clintons had a long and painful divorce from the Dem party in 2008 and the party now realizes they made a huge mistake, but do you really think they want to return to more scandal and failure?

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MMC said:

Not after the piss poor job she has done as the SOS.....Do you actually think after Benghazi that she will be able run around smiling telling the American people about How much she cares?

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A decision by Hillary Clinton to run for president in 2016 would be welcomed by most Americans, according to a Washington Post/ABC poll released Wednesday.

As she prepares to step down as secretary of state, Clinton has a lifetime high favorability rating of 66 percent, according to the Post/ABC poll, with less than a third of respondents holding unfavorable views. Two-thirds of Americans approve of her job performance in the Obama administration.

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iguanaman said:

After Bills speech at the Convention you still think that is true?
It's the Republicans that made the mistake with the Clintons. The "embraced" Bill for his "bipartisanship" and it bit them on the ass.

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Diogenes said:

Does that mean you would prefer the scandal of the Clintons over the incompetence of Obama? You really can't find any better candidates?

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iguanaman said:

That shows what you know. Someday you guys will realize how far out in right field you are and it will be a revelation. Until then you will walk around aimlessly in the fog. Don't trip and fall.

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MMC said:

Yeah.....I kinda thought so to.

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Diogenes said:

Don't forget the contribution of those liberal legislators who were for the action before they were against it.

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Risky Thicket said:

No, you probably didn't think.

It's simply not worth the effort trying to explain it to you. The point with Bush is that a terrible and very successful precedent was established and is well documented. It will be refined and used again and again by future presidents and it will often subvert or even circumvent the law and the Constitution. I am fairly certain we are seeing that now regarding the media driven hysteria over gun control.

If the government wants your guns they cannot possibly seize them without public support and then with public support they will accomplish gun seizure incrementally. It is completely and entirely possible for the government to create public support that would enable the federal government to achieve its objective. I believe that effort is already in place and working.

You seem hell bent to make the use of weapons grade propaganda on the citizens of the United States a partisan issue. It most certainly is not.

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Risky Thicket said:

Exactly! The groundswell of public support, created through the use of propaganda, by the Bush administration, was overwhelming. Congress could not ignore it, but many in Congress also suspected that the public was being shucked and jived. And of course, we now know that an intricate and well worked system of deception was in fact in place and was used by the Bush administration. The beauty of it is that it was and is largely hidden in plain sight. Anyone can read and study and learn about it. Few do or will.

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MMC said:

Sketching out details of the plan Thursday, Vice President Joe Biden said he would give President Barack Obama a set of recommendations by next Tuesday. The NRA, one of the pro-gun groups that met with Biden during the day, rejected the effort to limit ammunition and dug in on its opposition to an assault weapons ban, which Obama has previously said he will propose to Congress.

"The vice president made it clear, made it explicitly clear, that the president had already made up his mind on those issues," NRA president David Keene said following the meeting. "We made it clear that we disagree

Opposition from the well-funded and politically powerful NRA underscores the challenges that await the White House if it seeks congressional approval for limiting guns and ammunition. Obama can use his executive powers to act alone on some gun measures, but his options on the proposals opposed by the NRA are limited without Congress' cooperation. with them."White House officials said the vice president didn't expect to win over the NRA and other gun groups on those key issues. But the administration was hoping to soften their opposition in order to rally support from pro-gun lawmakers on Capitol Hill.

Biden also talked about holes in NICS — the National Instant Criminal Background Check System — when states don't relay information to the database used by dealers to check purchasers. Advocates blame Congress for not fully funding a law that provides money to help states send records to the database.

For example, advocates say Obama could order the Justice Department to prosecute more people flagged by background checks as prohibited purchasers when they try to buy guns; expand a rule that requires dealers to notify the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Explosives when someone tries to buy multiple semiautomatic rifles, a program now confined to Mexico border states, and increase enforcement actions at gun shows.

The group Mayors Against Illegal Guns has sent the White House 40 steps it says would save lives and dramatically improve enforcement of existing laws without any action by Congress.

The president hopes to announce his administration's next steps to tackle gun violence shortly after he is sworn in for a second term. He has pledged to push for new measures in his State of the Union address.

Biden, NRA clash over new gun control proposals - Yahoo! News
Associated Press – 6 mins ago Jan 102013<<<<<More here, way more


Looks Like Obama is going to push the issue anyways with his State of the Union. Biden admits this is not going anywhere but that is the downplay. As they are going to try and push gun legislation. Anyone notice the part about how Obama could use some EP on some measures? Thoughts?

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Dwight said:

A major reason that I thought Obama a better choice than Hillary was that in the face of that “shuck and jive” driven public sentiment she cowered and he didn’t.

Which you must find sort of ironic, huh?

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iguanaman said:

I prefer competance over incompetance which is all the other side has to offer. Never again.

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danarhea said:

On the assault weapons ban, I am kind of torn, and have actually argued both sides on that issue. At this time, I am leaning against the ban. However, for a 3 day waiting period and background checks, I am fully in favor of that. Do you really want someone who was convicted of murder getting a gun after he gets out of prison? Do you want the insane getting a gun? I don't. I want the background check. Will it stop them from getting a gun? Probably not, if they want one badly enough, but it will make it ILLEGAL for them to own one.

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I also think guys like this, who have actually threatened to kill people, have no business owning a gun:
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danarhea said:

On the assault weapons ban, I am kind of torn, and have actually argued both sides on that issue. At this time, I am leaning against the ban. However, for a 3 day waiting period and background checks, I am fully in favor of that. Do you really want someone who was convicted of murder getting a gun after he gets out of prison? Do you want the insane getting a gun? I don't. I want the background check. Will it stop them from getting a gun? Probably not, if they want one badly enough, but it will make it ILLEGAL for them to own one. I also think guys like this, who have actually threatened to kill people, have no business owning a gun:

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SMTA said:

Show me where a waiting period has stopped any crime.

Background checks already exist for every purchase from an FFL - show me where this has stopped any crimes.
Show me any 'insane' label that currently exists that can be used across the population faifly.

Convicted murders cannot legally own any guns, period. Enforce laws now on the books.

Sheesh.

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Diogenes said:

You are asking rational folks to prove a negative. Let's turn it around, and you show me where a ban of any kind has stopped any crime. I bet you can't do it either.

Which of the latest massacres were committed by convicted murderers? Now can we get back to the thread topic?

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