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Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standard

Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

I bet I could not find one single citizen in our largest city here in my state who has pulled a weapon against a criminal in the last year. You are largely supposing the suit your preconceived notion of the gun myth.

what state do you live in

I know dozens of people who have pulled guns on criminals and I know for a fact that only two have been reported

When I was moving up the ranks of pro IPSC style shooters, I used to train with a guy who was in Nam before we were officially there. He was part of what became the Green Beret. Well one day he showed me a newspaper clipping of a supposed unsolved killing involving bikers with many warrants and a record a mile long about the time the race riots were hitting the USA. Seems the Master Sgt was home on leave and was on his bike in an area which had recently become invested with two warring bike gangs (and he didn't know this because he had been in The Nam for a couple years). Well Sgt was riding on his bike when out of no where a couple members of "the Iron Horsemen" rode up on his six and knocked him off his bike. They went down about 50 yards turned around and came back at him -one swinging a chain.. Well the good sgt-lawful or not pulled out the Browning HP he carried in the Nam and center punched both of the outlaw bikers through the face. DOA. two days later he's on his way back to the Nam and he calls an old service buddy who was now part of the local constabulary and reports what had happened. The deputy basically said they figured the "invaders" had whacked the two bikers and since the bikers were both wanted and the cops were busy with riots that was the way it was gonna go down.

So a lawful stomping of two cockroaches was written off an "gang violence"
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

I bet I could not find one single citizen in our largest city here in my state who has pulled a weapon against a criminal in the last year. You are largely supposing the suit your preconceived notion of the gun myth.

Still searching for any logic or reason...
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

What are these different views according to you? I've lived in both and find no difference. Still waiting to find a post of yours that involves reason or logic.

You may run into a very narrow circle. City folk in general want more guns laws, and rural folk in general don't.

The different experiences people in urban and rural communities have with guns and gun culture is one big reason why Washington has a difficult time getting on the same page when it comes to gun-control legislation.

Politics Counts: Urban-Rural Split on Gun Laws - Washington Wire - WSJ

David: This isn’t only an argument about politeness. The self-righteousness on both sides of the gun issue has totally ruined the prospects for good policy making. The gun control debate is no longer about guns. It’s a culture war between urbanites and rural people.

What We Talk About When We Talk About Guns - NYTimes.com
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

what state do you live in

I know dozens of people who have pulled guns on criminals and I know for a fact that only two have been reported

When I was moving up the ranks of pro IPSC style shooters, I used to train with a guy who was in Nam before we were officially there. He was part of what became the Green Beret. Well one day he showed me a newspaper clipping of a supposed unsolved killing involving bikers with many warrants and a record a mile long about the time the race riots were hitting the USA. Seems the Master Sgt was home on leave and was on his bike in an area which had recently become invested with two warring bike gangs (and he didn't know this because he had been in The Nam for a couple years). Well Sgt was riding on his bike when out of no where a couple members of "the Iron Horsemen" rode up on his six and knocked him off his bike. They went down about 50 yards turned around and came back at him -one swinging a chain.. Well the good sgt-lawful or not pulled out the Browning HP he carried in the Nam and center punched both of the outlaw bikers through the face. DOA. two days later he's on his way back to the Nam and he calls an old service buddy who was now part of the local constabulary and reports what had happened. The deputy basically said they figured the "invaders" had whacked the two bikers and since the bikers were both wanted and the cops were busy with riots that was the way it was gonna go down.

So a lawful stomping of two cockroaches was written off an "gang violence"

I mentioned earlier to someone who asked: Iowa
 
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I mentioned earlier to someone who asked: Iowa

The Home of Grinnell but I didn't see your post until after I wrote the above

almost all cases of people merely displaying guns to ward off scumbags are never reported
 
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49.4% of the population voted for someone OTHER than obama. 53/47 Dem/GOP Senate 235/201 GOP/Dem

An EO with this political makeup can be viewed only to be an usurpation of powers.

0.6% does not a mandate make.

The opposition is not obstructing progress they are protecting the rights of the people.
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

The Home of Grinnell but I didn't see your post until after I wrote the above

almost all cases of people merely displaying guns to ward off scumbags are never reported

That may or may not be, just as every other method isn't reported either. So, we could all jump to a lot of false conclusions supposing. I once merely told a group that was an ass whipping I was going to have to take, and they walked away. Go figure.
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

Complete nonsense and piffle

I suppose, . . . .if you close down all openness to objective evidence.
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

That may or may not be, just as every other method isn't reported either. So, we could all jump to a lot of false conclusions supposing. I once merely told a group that was an ass whipping I was going to have to take, and they walked away. Go figure.


I have a great idea-that would save you hundreds of posts

1) if you don't think your safety is increased by carrying a firearm or having one in your home then do NOT

2) and stop pretending what works for you should apply to everyone else
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

I suppose, . . . .if you close down all openness to objective evidence.

what does the objective evidence show

I know

ITS BETTER TO HAVE A FIREARM and never need it for self defense

than to need one and NOT HAVE ONE
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

I have a great idea-that would save you hundreds of posts

1) if you don't think your safety is increased by carrying a firearm or having one in your home then do NOT

2) and stop pretending what works for you should apply to everyone else

Seems to me, that's what your doing with guns. I merely jump in with to show your evidence was crap. I've done that on both sides, but you arge about it. What might happen isn't objective evidence. That's what I'm trying to get you to see.
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

what does the objective evidence show

I know

ITS BETTER TO HAVE A FIREARM and never need it for self defense

than to need one and NOT HAVE ONE

Different issue than what you jumped in on, but better to not have one and shot a family member or friend than to have one you never use in self defense.
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

Seems to me, that's what your doing with guns. I merely jump in with to show your evidence was crap. I've done that on both sides, but you arge about it. What might happen isn't objective evidence. That's what I'm trying to get you to see.

My evidence is perfect for ME. and I know more about this issue than you can ever dream about. My evidence isn't crap, yo pretend the pro gun evidence is crap and you fail to apply the same standards to the NON EXISTENT empirical data that the anti gun side spews

and I don't -for a minute-believe that you spend thousands of posts on this issue merely because you are some sort of self appointed arbiter of what is good evidence. You are a hard core gun restrictionist no matter how many times you claim you are not.
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

Different issue than what you jumped in on, but better to not have one and shot a family member or friend than to have one you never use in self defense.

That's as stupid as saying its better not to have a tourniquet even if you are bleeding out than it is to put one around the neck of a your child who suffered a head wound.
 
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My evidence is perfect for ME. and I know more about this issue than you can ever dream about. My evidence isn't crap, yo pretend the pro gun evidence is crap and you fail to apply the same standards to the NON EXISTENT empirical data that the anti gun side spews

and I don't -for a minute-believe that you spend thousands of posts on this issue merely because you are some sort of self appointed arbiter of what is good evidence. You are a hard core gun restrictionist no matter how many times you claim you are not.

I'll spend another thousand posts if you keep presenting faulty arguments and defending them. I got time.
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

That's as stupid as saying its better not to have a tourniquet even if you are bleeding out than it is to put one around the neck of a your child who suffered a head wound.

You might want to read it again.
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

I'll spend another thousand posts if you keep presenting faulty arguments and defending them. I got time.

Opinion noted and rejected as ignorant and dishonest. YOur dishonesty is demanding 100% proof that carrying a weapon makes one safer while ignoring the fact that no empirical evidence supports the claim that the current democratic party proposed gun laws would make us safer.

YOu also are dishonest in stating that I think everyone should carry. I am merely stating that the evidence proves to ME that I should carry and people like you who are afraid to should not.

and again, your claim that your only interest is attacking "faulty data" is a bold steaming lie
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

You might want to read it again.


your choices were a false selection
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

Opinion noted and rejected as ignorant and dishonest. YOur dishonesty is demanding 100% proof that carrying a weapon makes one safer while ignoring the fact that no empirical evidence supports the claim that the current democratic party proposed gun laws would make us safer.

YOu also are dishonest in stating that I think everyone should carry. I am merely stating that the evidence proves to ME that I should carry and people like you who are afraid to should not.

and again, your claim that your only interest is attacking "faulty data" is a bold steaming lie

That's a cop out. I didn't ask for 100% of anything. I asked for objective evidence and not mere supposition based on hearsay.

And if you read, I said there is no evidence that the laws proposed will make us safer. No ones challenged me on that. You seem to miss a lot of what is said.
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

your choices were a false selection

No more so than yours. Less so actually.
 
You do realize your 75% figure doesn't dispute what I said?

And what you said has no real bearing if the fact that not being in a gang reduces the odds by 3/4's...

The only thing that pushes you is an irrational fear of guns.

Honeybees kill more people than accidents with firearms, are you gonna ban honeybees next?!? No, of course not... You don't care about that casualty rate because you can't establish government controls over it...

And no, there is nothing easy about shooting straight in a stressful situation.

Yes, for the untrained person... Unless you are trained to handle high stress situations, yes you can expect to be about half as accurate as in the range.

Have you considered that this man shot to scare rather than kill?? He fired enough shots to have killed them both.... But you would have preferred that all those people fall victims to those robbers through what you are pushing....

Maybe someone would have been able to call the cops, maybe they would have realized there was no money and decided to kill everyone there... Actually, in that situation, that would be the ONLY REASONABLE ASSUMPTION!
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

And what you said has no real bearing if the fact that not being in a gang reduces the odds by 3/4's...

The only thing that pushes you is an irrational fear of guns.

Honeybees kill more people than accidents with firearms, are you gonna ban honeybees next?!? No, of course not... You don't care about that casualty rate because you can't establish government controls over it...



Yes, for the untrained person... Unless you are trained to handle high stress situations, yes you can expect to be about half as accurate as in the range.

Have you considered that this man shot to scare rather than kill?? He fired enough shots to have killed them both.... But you would have preferred that all those people fall victims to those robbers through what you are pushing....

Maybe someone would have been able to call the cops, maybe they would have realized there was no money and decided to kill everyone there... Actually, in that situation, that would be the ONLY REASONABLE ASSUMPTION!

Don't argue with strawmen. I have no fear of guns. The stats I gave are objective fact. Nothing about gangs speak to it. Nor does anyone firing a gun anywhere, even in the air, change those facts. If I'm a shooter, and a threat, I already have my gun out, already using it, and will most likely shoot you before you get yours and certainly once you start shooting.
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

Of course you do. You fear the guns owned by civilians.

Nope. Don't even object to. :coffeepap
 
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