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Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standard

Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

It doesn't seem like a major restriction to me. Hunting won't really be effected, and I don't think self defense will either.

more silliness

if we have less than the cops do then we are restricted. and there is no evidence the restrictions will do anything other than set a precedent for further restrictions like NYS

and where do you get off telling people what they need?
 
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more silliness

if we have less than the cops do then we are restricted. and there is no evidence the restrictions will do anything other than set a precedent for further restrictions like NYS

and where do you get off telling people what they need?

Nonsense. Sounds like you learned a new talking point and can't shake the script. You don't have the same job or responsibility as cops. I'm sorry, but you have not effectively answered my point.
 
You don't need a gun to not be a victim. That's your first mistake. Like I said, our love affair with guns takes on an almost magical element when too many believe the tool is a solution to all problems.

No, but it is the great equalizer in that with a gun an 80+ year old frail woman could stand almost equal chance against even a trained killer.

Next, no, not a solution to all problems, However, guns do serve mainly as a deterrent to crime, mostly the crimes we encounter on the streets, next to deter the crime of invasion, and finally it deters a president from becoming a dictator. Though the main use for the legitimate owner will be either hunting or target practice.

The only thing you can bring up are the exceptions and gang violence.
 
Nonsense. Sounds like you learned a new talking point and can't shake the script. You don't have the same job or responsibility as cops. I'm sorry, but you have not effectively answered my point.

No, not the same as a cop in that you won't be getting any search warrants for yourself, but if you see a crime in the act you have the capacity to place the person under arrest. (there are precautions though, ex; you can't use any more force than what it takes to subdue the person)

Though, as a society we delegate that responsibility to uniform police.
 
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No, but it is the great equalizer in that with a gun an 80+ year old frail woman could stand almost equal chance against even a trained killer.

Next, no, not a solution to all problems, However, guns do serve mainly as a deterrent to crime, mostly the crimes we encounter on the streets, next to deter the crime of invasion, and finally it deters a president from becoming a dictator. Though the main use for the legitimate owner will be either hunting or target practice.

The only thing you can bring up are the exceptions and gang violence.

Your example is also false. She must be able to get the gun out and use it effectively. It is unlikely that she could. As once proved to my brother in law, the advantage I would have knowing I was coming would be too great from him to overcome. Nor do they deter crime as they are largely not known who has and hasn't.

And no, I have brought up the factual statistics. But realize, no one is losing the right to hunt or target practice. No one is even not allowing you to carry a weapon for self defense. Guns have not been universally banned.
 
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No, not the same as a cop in that you won't be getting any search warrants for yourself, but if you see a crime in the act you have the capacity to place the person under arrest. (there are precautions though, ex; you can't use any more force than what it takes to subdue the person)

Though, as a society we delegate that responsibility to uniform police.

The general public, local businesses, and such don't call your house and ask you to deal with dangerous issues. Sorry, but it's not even a close call.
 
Your example is also false. She must be able to get the gun out and use it effectively. It is unlikely that she could. As once proved to my brother in law, the advantage I would have knowing I was coming would be too great from him to overcome. Nor do they deter crime as they are largely not known who has and hasn't.

Still, better odds than if the person was sitting there defenseless, and that's the point...

The deterrence comes from having to weigh the odds that their crime will see resistance... I don't have the stats, but I'm sure that rural texas has a minute fraction of the home invasions as you'll see in Chicago... I live in a heavily armed area, and home invasions are almost unheard of here as well.

The fewer people are armed, the less of a deterrent effect is created.

Now, since obama, the worlds greatest gun salesmen was elected, had made a surge in gun sales, and over that time there's been between 20-40% drop in different crime stats, that's according to FBI stats.

And no, I have brought up the factual statistics. But realize, no one is losing the right to hunt or target practice. No one is even not allowing you to carry a weapon for self defense. Guns have not been universally banned.

No, this was more like when smokers got pushed into the sealed smoking sections of restaurants.

Next is to push them outside, then down the street and so on....
 
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Your example is also false. She must be able to get the gun out and use it effectively. It is unlikely that she could.

What like this 71 year old man vs two teens/twentysomethings?
 
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Still, better odds than if the person was sitting there defenseless, and that's the point...

The deterrence comes from having to weigh the odds that their crime will see resistance... I don't have the stats, but I'm sure that rural texas has a minute fraction of the home invasions as you'll see in Chicago... I live in a heavily armed area, and home invasions are almost unheard of here as well.

The fewer people are armed, the less of a deterrent effect is created.

Now, since obama, the worlds greatest gun salesmen was elected, had made a surge in gun sales, and over that time there's been between 20-40% drop in different crime stats, that's according to FBI stats.



No, this was more like when smokers got pushed into the sealed smoking sections of restaurants.

Next is to push them outside, then down the street and so on....

I'm not sure nothing from nothing is better odds. But when you add on the likelihood that she may shoot herself or someone else accidentally, well, not sure if its really worth it.

Nor is it quite like smokers. There is virtually no chance the law will allow guns to be banned.
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

What like this 71 year old man vs two teens/twentysomethings?


Very different situation, but even here, he fires a lot. what is the risk one of those shots could have hit someone not a criminal?
 
I'm not sure nothing from nothing is better odds. But when you add on the likelihood that she may shoot herself or someone else accidentally, well, not sure if its really worth it.

Ya, I hear that's a problem where guns get angry and get up and shoot their owners.


Nor is it quite like smokers. There is virtually no chance the law will allow guns to be banned.

No, it's exactly like what happened to smokers, the smokers tried to appease the liberals until smoking is barred most everywhere.
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

Ya, I hear that's a problem where guns get angry and get up and shoot their owners.

Not sure why your thought that tactic would work. No one said the gun did.



No, it's exactly like what happened to smokers, the smokers tried to appease the liberals until smoking is barred most everywhere.

Not at all. There can be no ban on all guns without a Constitutional Amendment.
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

Very different situation, but even here, he fires a lot. what is the risk one of those shots could have hit someone not a criminal?

Perhaps you didn't follow the story, he didn't miss. He didn't hit anyone else, or any store equipment.

What is the risk he could have shot a bystander? Who knows, all I know is that everyone there was thankful he did what he did.
 
Very different situation, but even here, he fires a lot. what is the risk one of those shots could have hit someone not a criminal?

Bullets shoot in a straight line (true enough at those distances), and he made sure that others were out of his way...
 
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Bullets shoot in a straight line (true enough at those distances), and he made sure that others were out of his way...

Aims are not always straight, which is how people miss targets. And I'm not sure we can trust either his aim or his ability to know who is out of the way. Like I said, he fired a lot.
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

But the issue is not one of safety entirely, but whether there can be limitations. I believe that precedence has already been set. The only question is where the line is.

That's an easy one....

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

There is your line.
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

That's an easy one....

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

There is your line.

The trouble is the courts have looked at both parts. Precedence tells us two things: 1) limitations can be placed. 2) but there are limitations on how far they can go.
 
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Nonsense. Sounds like you learned a new talking point and can't shake the script. You don't have the same job or responsibility as cops. I'm sorry, but you have not effectively answered my point.

that has nothing to do with what weapons are useful for self defense

your statist spewings to the contrary

in reality we civilians need MORE than they do

1) we don't choose when a confrontation occurs

2) we don't have back up readily available

3) we aren't planning to be attacked

your constant intellectual dishonesty on this is premised by the argument that

a) honest citizens an be trusted to own 10 round magazines but not 12 round magazines

b) but you can never make a rational argument why any line drawing is rational

either people can be trusted to own guns or not
 
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that has nothing to do with what weapons are useful for self defense

your statist spewings to the contraryo

in reality we civilians need MORE than they do

1) we don't choose when a confrontation occurs

2) we don't have back up readily available

3) we aren't planning to be attacked

your constant intellectual dishonesty on this is premised by the argument that

a) honest citizens an be trusted to own 10 round magazines but not 12 round magazines

b) but you can never make a rational argument why any line drawing is rational

either people can be trusted to own guns or not

And you rarely if ever have confrontations requiring deadly force. I always have back up, you should too. And in most cases, I have no obligation to stay. Sorry, you're just off on this.
 
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And you rarely if ever have confrontations requiring deadly force. I always have back up, you should too. And in most cases, I have no obligation to stay. Sorry, you're just off on this.

how many cops do you think do? and when citizens are attacked they can only react

and your moronic claim that a cop's duty means they can be trusted with more dangerous (LOL) weapons shows how little you know about self defense in a civilian environment.
 
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how many cops do you think do? and when citizens are attacked they can only react

and your moronic claim that a cop's duty means they can be trusted with more dangerous (LOL) weapons shows how little you know about self defense in a civilian environment.

They do a lot more than I do, and anyone I know. I'm sorry TD but I see nothing to back your claim.
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

They do a lot more than I do, and anyone I know. I'm sorry TD but I see nothing to back your claim.

LOL, you don't know squat about this. I was a prosecutor for years. I know what cops do-most of them never fire a shot other than at the range
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

The trouble is the courts have looked at both parts. Precedence tells us two things: 1) limitations can be placed. 2) but there are limitations on how far they can go.

In your opinion then, how far is too far?
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

LOL, you don't know squat about this. I was a prosecutor for years. I know what cops do-most of them never fire a shot other than at the range

I'm sorry, but that too is incorrect. BTW, I have not claimed most fire their weapons. Most of us don't either. You're really missing the point the badly.
 
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In your opinion then, how far is too far?

I would have trouble banning hunting weapons or some that are used for personal protection.
 
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