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Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standard

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Dammitboy! said:
FAIL. You are quoting a widely discredited case study proven over and over to be false.
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No, it hasn't. You buying into misinformation and faulty reasoning doesn't disprove squat. Sorry.
 
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Dammitboy! said:
How should you be prepared for five home invaders?
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Never had so much as one, so why five? And why won't they run when you start shooting? Seems like too much noise and threat fir a criminal. Where do you live?
 
Boo Radley said:
Most everyone is familiar with basic gun statistics. If you need me too google them for you I can when I get to the computer.
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Sourcing is important, especially when you're trying to spout this baseless nonsense, and on closer examination of where you got that info, I'm sure we'll see that it to be the case.

And, no, you're making a huge leap concerning the Swiss, as you did the Japanese. You must really have bought into the propaganda.
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Ya, a huge leap from where you are at to reality.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Europe_under_Nazi_domination.png[/quote]

Look at that little white spec in the middle of what was in the middle of the peak nazi German controlled territory.

Switzerland... And why??? Because no army could possibly invade a country of armed citizens.

And the Japanese knew not to invade because of the guns.

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And no, the rape thing has nothing to do with my reasoning at all. It's a dodge on your part,and an unoriginal one at that.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I didn't realize that so many people tell you about your irrational arguments that it's become cliche... Maybe think about that while reading on some history.

Let's try this one: what is the difference between a free man and a slave compare that to the responsibilities of a space compared to a free man?

Not that I expect you could get the point.
 
Boo Radley said:
Never had so much as one, so why five? And why won't they run when you start shooting? Seems like too much noise and threat fir a criminal. Where do you live?
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Because typically a home invasion occurs with more than one person coming into your home.

Oh, so you do have guns, you just don't want OTHERS to have guns.

You do realize that the sound of gunfire, or even just starin down the barrel of a gun is enough to stop a crime...

Where people live is irrelevant, you can see crime statistics for your area an see that crimes occur in all areas... And while most of it is targeted crime, doesn't make anyone immune. That's the primary reason to be armed.

Finally, you realize the importance of the second amendment and being cautious of any attempted limitation on that right.
 
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Look no further than New York to see just how far Democrats want to go.

Video Shows Democratic Attempt To Hide Their List Of Proposals Attacking 2nd Amendment-Confiscation, Release of Permit Holder Names, Database Of All Guns | Weasel Zippers

https://www.facebook.com/SteveMcNY/posts/134119446748862
Here it is. This is the video where I was asked to keep the Democrat proposals for the NY SAFE Act away from the public. This list was given to me by a colleague and it is not confidential.

This bill was an attack on the 2nd amendment and the Democrats clearly wanted to dismantle the work of the Founding Fathers. None of these amendments were included in the final bill thanks to us fighting back. I will not stand silent while these unpatriotic proposals are pathetically thrown at us a 11 o’clock at night:

1. Confiscation of "assault weapons"
2. Confiscation o ten round clips
3. Statewide database for ALL Guns
4. Continue to allow pistol permit holder's information to be replaced to the public
5. Label semiautomatic shotguns with more than 5 rounds or pistol grips as "assault weapons”
6. Limit the number of rounds in a magazine to 5 and confiscation and forfeiture of banned magazines
7. Limit possession to no more than two (2) magazines
8. Limit purchase of guns to one gun per person per month
9. Require re-licensing of all pistol permit owners
10. Require renewal of all pistol permits every five years
11. State issued pistol permits
12. Micro-stamping of all guns in New York State
13. Require licensing of all gun ammo dealers
14. Mandatory locking of guns at home
15. Fee for licensing, registering weapons
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BmanMcfly said:
Because typically a home invasion occurs with more than one person coming into your home.

Oh, so you do have guns, you just don't want OTHERS to have guns.

You do realize that the sound of gunfire, or even just starin down the barrel of a gun is enough to stop a crime...

Where people live is irrelevant, you can see crime statistics for your area an see that crimes occur in all areas... And while most of it is targeted crime, doesn't make anyone immune. That's the primary reason to be armed.

Finally, you realize the importance of the second amendment and being cautious of any attempted limitation on that right.
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Stay focused. No where did I say I had a gun, which I don't, or that anyone else should not have a gun. The point is your side wildly overreacts, and anything you've mention is handled easily by merely having a dog. Hands down the most effective method.

as I can't access your highly credible Wikipedia source, I'll tackle that post later at the computer.
 
Boo Radley said:
Stay focused. No where did I say I had a gun, which I don't, or that anyone else should not have a gun. The point is your side wildly overreacts, and anything you've mention is handled easily by merely having a dog. Hands down the most effective method.
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He asked what YOU would do, and you talked about the sound of gunfire...

Dogs are a step in the right direction... But is your dog really trained to stop an intruder??

as I can't access your highly credible Wikipedia source, I'll tackle that post later at the computer.
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Read a friggin history book... Germany invaded almost all of Europe, surrounding Switzerland. They did not fire a shot at the Swiss...

Talk about ignorance of history.
 
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BmanMcfly said:
Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Orders' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standard

Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standard



That's if the other ten or so anti-gun bills don't pass obama will make an executive order...

Just a note, this would have been called "conspiracy theory" just a year ago.
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Good, let him try it....... Obama will be impeached on charges of treason. Once that is successful, then ...try him in criminal court and put him where he belongs.

Biden is about as stupid as one can get as a politician. The guy takes stupidity to a new level.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Good, let him try it....... Obama will be impeached on charges of treason.
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Obama has done it. Write your congresscritters and ask them to impeach Obama and then hold your breath.
LOL
they didn't impeach him when they had grounds. They're not gonna do it over this.
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
Obama has done it. Write your congresscritters and ask them to impeach Obama and then hold your breath.
LOL
they didn't impeach him when they had grounds. They're not gonna do it over this.
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They could have impeached him several times, however millions of people with guns standing in protest might change their minds.

This is an issue that could manufacture a civil war....

What makes this issue so delicate is the fact this is not partisan issue it's a bipartisan issue. There are plenty of democrats who own guns, republicans, libertarians etc.. Many of us don't like to see the Bill of Rights trampled on.

This is not only dangerous for the Second Amendment, it is dangerous for our civil liberties in general because it would set precedent to regulate other liberties - such as free speech, religion, due process, state rights etc...
 
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BmanMcfly said:
He asked what YOU would do, and you talked about the sound of gunfire...

Dogs are a step in the right direction... But is your dog really trained to stop an intruder??



Read a friggin history book... Germany invaded almost all of Europe, surrounding Switzerland. They did not fire a shot at the Swiss...

Talk about ignorance of history.
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My dog is well trained. All four of them.

I know history rather well. It is not history that is the issue, but your misreading of it, bending it to fit flawed conclusion.
 
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BmanMcfly said:
He asked what YOU would do, and you talked about the sound of gunfire...

Dogs are a step in the right direction... But is your dog really trained to stop an intruder??



Read a friggin history book... Germany invaded almost all of Europe, surrounding Switzerland. They did not fire a shot at the Swiss...

Talk about ignorance of history.
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Now here is what I said:



Originally Posted by Boo Radley
Never had so much as one, so why five? And why won't they run when you start shooting? Seems like too much noise and threat fir a criminal. Where do you live?
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We're talking about his shooting and not mine. We use the quote function to show what we are responding to. You have to read his comment as well.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
They could have impeached him several times, however millions of people with guns standing in protest might change their minds.
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Wel, there would be the pesky problem that in this matter which is different than at least one of the other opportunities Congress avoided--Obama hasn't done anything which is a high crime or misdemeanor in re this matter.

So that's one potential snag to the whole impeachment thingy there.

Mr.Nick said:
This is an issue that could manufacture a civil war....
What makes this issue so delicate is the fact this is not partisan issue it's a bipartisan issue. There are plenty of democrats who own guns, republicans, libertarians etc.. Many of us don't like to see the Bill of Rights trampled on.
This is not only dangerous for the Second Amendment, it is dangerous for our civil liberties in general because it would set precedent to regulate other liberties - such as free speech, religion, due process, state rights etc...
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I strongly suspect that you think something is going on which isn't actually going on. But, you're not alone. There's comfort in that I s'pose.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Good, let him try it....... Obama will be impeached on charges of treason. Once that is successful, then ...try him in criminal court and put him where he belongs.

Biden is about as stupid as one can get as a politician. The guy takes stupidity to a new level.
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Oh gad.. does anyone who has finished HS read Ayn Rand?
 
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Deuce said:
.. didn't they call it a list of rejected proposals?
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It doesnt bother you that they proposed legislation that infringed that much on citizens?
One of the reasons they backed off is they got caught in PR crossfire over it.
 
Boo Radley said:
My dog is well trained. All four of them.
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Good, and that would prevent most from attempting to enter the home... But not all.

So, your dogs serve to improve your odds against something bad happening.

I know history rather well. It is not history that is the issue, but your misreading of it, bending it to fit flawed conclusion.
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History is at issue because, like the cliche, if you don't know history you'll be doomed to repeat.

There are many historical precedences to show what happens after a people is effectively disarmed.
 
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BmanMcfly said:
Good, and that would prevent most from attempting to enter the home... But not all.

So, your dogs serve to improve your odds against something bad happening.



History is at issue because, like the cliche, if you don't know history you'll be doomed to repeat.

There are many historical precedences to show what happens after a people is effectively disarmed.
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The digs improve without the stats that I'd be more likely to shoot myself, or a family member, or any number if things that wrong.

Again, history isn't the issue. You can only learn if your right interpret it and the spin you want to be true. I suggest you have it wrong, and have bought into the propaganda.
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
Wel, there would be the pesky problem that in this matter which is different than at least one of the other opportunities Congress avoided--Obama hasn't done anything which is a high crime or misdemeanor in re this matter.

So that's one potential snag to the whole impeachment thingy there.

I strongly suspect that you think something is going on which isn't actually going on. But, you're not alone. There's comfort in that I s'pose.
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Try treason....

The POTUS is not immune from treason..
 
Boo Radley said:
The digs improve without the stats that I'd be more likely to shoot myself, or a family member, or any number if things that wrong.

Again, history isn't the issue. You can only learn if your right interpret it and the spin you want to be true. I suggest you have it wrong, and have bought into the propaganda.
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You use a piece of known false propaganda to lecture me about how I've bought into propaganda?!?

The reality is that you are making a useless distinction in saying "gun murders", since where there are fewer guns there's usually a higher overall murder rate, Japan is almost the only exception where the country is virtually disarmed with a very low crime rate.

Mexico on the other hand, is completely disarmed civilians and sees about 40-60 thousand killed per year.

Or look at Britain, your side proclaims them as the ideal, disarmed with very little gun crime, but there has been an overall surge in violent crime, which was concealed for years while their government only counted CONVICTIONS of violent crimes, not REPORTED violent crime.
 
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BmanMcfly said:
You use a piece of known false propaganda to lecture me about how I've bought into propaganda?!?

The reality is that you are making a useless distinction in saying "gun murders", since where there are fewer guns there's usually a higher overall murder rate, Japan is almost the only exception where the country is virtually disarmed with a very low crime rate.

Mexico on the other hand, is completely disarmed civilians and sees about 40-60 thousand killed per year.

Or look at Britain, your side proclaims them as the ideal, disarmed with very little gun crime, but there has been an overall surge in violent crime, which was concealed for years while their government only counted CONVICTIONS of violent crimes, not REPORTED violent crime.
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Japan also has a much higher suicide rate than we do and (at least in a study I read about 12 years ago) Japanese living in the USA had lower rates of gun violence than their cousins and relatives still living in JAPAN
 
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sharon said:
Oh gad.. does anyone who has finished HS read Ayn Rand?
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High school was a waste of my time, as was my repetition with my liberal arts degree.

Ayn Rand is a good read as is Karl Marx...

I am a libertarian but not influenced or corrupted. I adhere to these ideologies on my own volition. I'm not a product of your stupid society - nor do I feel the need to partake in your Orwellian petri dish of loony nonsense.

Understand that?

BTW, I have a GED.... What you call a "public school" was too remedial for me.
 
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BmanMcfly said:
You use a piece of known false propaganda to lecture me about how I've bought into propaganda?!?

The reality is that you are making a useless distinction in saying "gun murders", since where there are fewer guns there's usually a higher overall murder rate, Japan is almost the only exception where the country is virtually disarmed with a very low crime rate.

Mexico on the other hand, is completely disarmed civilians and sees about 40-60 thousand killed per year.

Or look at Britain, your side proclaims them as the ideal, disarmed with very little gun crime, but there has been an overall surge in violent crime, which was concealed for years while their government only counted CONVICTIONS of violent crimes, not REPORTED violent crime.
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I do nothing of the kind. I use an objective fact. Numbers are numbers, nothing more. So, yes, I lecture you, and not knowing the difference is one reason why.

And the numbers you're using both ways assumes guns to be the only factor. I don't make that causal relationship error. Nor have I really mentioned murder at all. Also know, you may be reading propaganda on Britain and not actual numbers or any reasonable comparison. but, that would depend on what you're basing your opinion on.
 
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