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Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standard

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But we are talking about the US Government. Government will do what it takes to stay in power, make no mistake. All Governments when threaten with loss of power will resist. You've seen it a dozen times over the last 30 years. Be it Libya, Iran, Iraq, Balkans, Russia (via Chechnya) , Egypt, Syria, UK (via Northern Ireland), France, Spain, South Africa, Mexico, and so on.. every one of these Governments made no qualms about destroying towns or killing innocent people to stay in power.

Hitler and Stalin. You forgot to invoke Hitler and Stalin.
 
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The "Scenario 2016" played out is just that.. a scenario in which the authors even state: " “Countering Al Qaeda web-based propaganda is one thing, countering domestic information bombardments is another … entirely.” and that "soldiers will no doubt have loyalties to people they know who are living in Darlington, and so their response to orders to put down the resurrection by firing on them may be questionable".

The majority of the US military is not trained to deal with domestic threats. Soldiers swear and oath to the Constitution and the Constitution alone. If soldiers feel the Constitution is trampled on.. they have every right to refuse orders of the President. It's kinda like what happened in Egypt. Their military stayed out of the mess.

If they swear an oath to the constitution then they better understand what they're swearing to and not some whacked out revisionist interpretation. But it doesn't appear that some of them do. However, I think when you look over this list of rebellions and civil unrest since the American Revolution and there are a lot of them, you'll find that government with the support of public majority opinion always seems to prevail in the end....

List of incidents of civil unrest in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No doubt about it, Americans are a fiestly lot and every few years or so a few do rise up to shed their blood to feed the tree of liberty as they percieve it. But Thomas Jefferson apparently viewed those who rebel against their own people's representive government using violence as "ignorant and misinformed" and referred to their bloodshed as a "natural manure" and would probably prefer they use persuasion, public discourse and the ballot box.

American Creation: Jefferson's "Tree of Liberty" Quote in Context

But as it stands, the ignorant and misinformed extremists have been dominating the public discourse for way too long and it's time for all the moderate, rational, informed people to step up and speak out against the extremist's self serving, dystopian manure before they do something they themselves will regret in the end.
 
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I think there are many moderate, rational, informed people who are tremendously concerned, even if they don't own firearms themselves, about potential restrictions to the Second Amendment and who don't think this is "dystopian manure."
 
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Lincoln went to great lengths never to call it a war. For if he hadn't, he wouldn't have had a legal base on which to suppress the rebel states and keep them in the union and all the guns and all the blood shed would have been for naught. Mao wasn't exactly the brightest leader and you'd do well to find another mentor.

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oh, and that once Mao took his people's done, his "great leap forward" cost the lives of between 60-80 million Chinese.

That's historically what comes after disarmament.
 
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Hitler and Stalin. You forgot to invoke Hitler and Stalin.

Did those events happen 30 years ago? Nope.. UK, France, Spain, South Africa and Mexico are "democratic" states. ;)
 
You seem to take it that way.
" We haven't decided what that is yet. "

This seems to be largely based on assumptions you have made rather than the evidence at hand.
It's fanciful to think that the PotUS would even consider some of the kinds of things which people have decided to be afraid of him doing. Everybody and their dog realize that some of the scenarios being floated would have the entire nation up in arms.
Worse than a crime, it would be a blunder.

Imho, there's a great willingness on the part of some to suspend disbelief and swallow conspiracists' sensationalist speculations when it comes to this matter. ymmv.

No, you are simply taking this one article and statement on its own. Now, this statement in today's political context has certain implications.

Also, the trend, that is the where we were and where we are now, as a society, can be used to show the path of where we are going.

So, with that, they are considering how much of a "ban" of firearms they can get away with and a way to phrase it so that there isn't an immediate rebellion.

So, yes, there's speculation, but it's not baseless as you are attempting to imply.
 
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oh, and that once Mao took his people's done, his "great leap forward" cost the lives of between 60-80 million Chinese.

That's historically what comes after disarmament.
No historically first comes the brainwashing propaganda such as the paranoid dystopian beliefs that you espouse. Without that, Mao, Stalin and Hitler wouldnt have been able to hoodwink people like you into intimidating the rest of the population with your guns. If you keep going down that road, then pretty soon all you'll need is a uniform to make it official.





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In an age of Apache helicopters, cruise missiles, carrier battle groups, and predator drones, what kind of delusional individual thinks they can defend themselves against a "tyrannical" US government? That AR-15's really going to be the difference between freedom and oppression, is it? :lamo

If the US government decides to go 1984 on us, there isn't anything we can do to stop them. Fortunately, it's the same delusions that lead people to believe this is actually happening.

You do know that in that situation there would be a break in the military and many of those weapons would be used by both sides... And if it really comes down to it, a big rock can get you a gun...

At least you aren't of the mind that the government would bomb cities to deal with "rebellion" (whatever we would call what WILL happen if guns are banned).

The fact is that the longer a guerrilla war lasts, the more likely the oppressors will lose.

Also, most of the military is already at war abroad... So, the cops and military will likely get chewed up, even 1% of gun owners in America is over a million people, many of those trained... That's when NATO would get called in, and then, well... Either way the us is over as we know it.
 
Yes, the actual US government would never be able to handle a forcible suppression of its whole population. But we're not talking about the actual US government here, we're talking about this absurd paranoid fantasy that the right wing has concocted. That government will do what it takes and wont have qualms about leveling cities.

Deuce, governments have killed over 290 million civilians in the past century, usually before communist or fascist regimes are installed and typically right after they have been disarmed.
 
No historically first comes the brainwashing propaganda such as the paranoid dystopian beliefs that you espouse. Without that, Mao, Stalin and Hitler wouldnt have been able to hoodwink people like you into intimidating the rest of the population with your guns. If you keep going down that road, then pretty soon all you'll need is a uniform to make it official.





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Um, I think you got me mistaken for someone else...

Guns are not being sold at record numbers in America because people are being intimidated... Those guns are being sold because people are getting empowered and prepared for the worst.

Also, how the hell do you work this logic that gun owners were responsible for those tyrants wanting to take away the guns?? So, if they had just disarmed the tyrants could have had their way and killed those millions without those pesky gun owners holding back the plan.
 
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If they swear an oath to the constitution then they better understand what they're swearing to and not some whacked out revisionist interpretation. But it doesn't appear that some of them do. However, I think when you look over this list of rebellions and civil unrest since the American Revolution and there are a lot of them, you'll find that government with the support of public majority opinion always seems to prevail in the end....

List of incidents of civil unrest in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And this is your failure to understand, not theirs. To each person the Constitution means it's own thing. You think the Constitution is a "living" document. I personally don't and I have history on my side. So I hold that if you want to curtail or remove a natural right granted in the Bill of Rights.. you need to have a Constitutional Convention or go through the process of having each State ratify it. I find my view as the most correct due to it was standard practice for the better part of 140 years prior to FDR. It ended when the Supreme Court got infected with the Progressive Movement. Laws that wouldn't have past the sniff test 10 years earlier passed without a blink. Now many in the Military gave a big fat pass on privacy and 4th amendment rights being ignored over the last 20 years as well. Do I think they actually understand the Constitution? Hell no.. the Military isn't for the thinking man, just the follower, who if there long enough becomes the leader. People will get worked up about that comment but oh well. It's the reality.


Now the list of "rebellions" you list from Wiki (which isn't a great source by the way) is full of riots which have nothing to directly do with Federal Government actions. Only 2 rebellions happened under the US Constitution since 1789. Whiskey and Fries's Rebellion.. none ended with great violence but rather arrests and then Federal pardons.

No doubt about it, Americans are a fiestly lot and every few years or so a few do rise up to shed their blood to feed the tree of liberty as they percieve it. But Thomas Jefferson apparently viewed those who rebel against their own people's representive government using violence as "ignorant and misinformed" and referred to their bloodshed as a "natural manure" and would probably prefer they use persuasion, public discourse and the ballot box.

American Creation: Jefferson's "Tree of Liberty" Quote in Context

Now excuse me if I don't take Brad Hart's opinion on the matter seriously. It's revision history of Thomas Jefferson on his part. Thomas Jefferson was a revolutionist. By Thomas Jefferson's own actions he acted in a manner in which Brad Hart would disapprove. But I would also state.. a Rebellion in itself can't be filled with ignorance or misinformed. As Rebellion is based on a belief that it's actors know better and it's the others who are ignorant and misinformed. This has to be true or the idea that the "Patriots" had was actually wrong and the British were correct and since I personally don't know alot of people who claim our colonial cousins were right.. I tend to see it that way.

But as it stands, the ignorant and misinformed extremists have been dominating the public discourse for way too long and it's time for all the moderate, rational, informed people to step up and speak out against the extremist's self serving, dystopian manure before they do something they themselves will regret in the end.

You are moderate, rational and informed.. I think not. You are the one quoting some hack's blog spot. Not I.
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

Um, I think you got me mistaken for someone else...

Guns are not being sold at record numbers in America because people are being intimidated... Those guns are being sold because people are getting empowered and prepared for the worst.

Also, how the hell do you work this logic that gun owners were responsible for those tyrants wanting to take away the guns?? So, if they had just disarmed the tyrants could have had their way and killed those millions without those pesky gun owners holding back the plan.

As a matter of fact, Hitler made sure that people he didn't trust couldn't own guns right before starting World War II. From Wikipedia's entry on Gun Politics in Germany:

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The 1938 German Weapons Act

The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. Furthermore, the law restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit." Under the new law:

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•Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing or dealing of firearms and ammunition.[6]

On November 11, 1938, the Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick, passed Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons. This regulation effectively deprived all Jews of the right to possess firearms or other weapons.[7]

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While some may disagree, most people believe that the Holocaust was right around the corner.

Now, Obama wants to do the same in America. I don't know what his personal intentions are, but I think it's interesting to note these other events that have occurred in the not too distant past...
» DHS Buys 1.6 Billion Bullets Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Now We Know Why There’s A Press Blackout On S 1959 – It’s Called “ENDGAME” By DHS – Updated 7/20/08 | ThePoliticalBandit.com

An excerpt from the second link. I took out the word "concentration" twice, as there's no proof that the camps are concentration camps from what I've seen, but left the rest in:
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Over 800... camps are reported throughout the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive U.S. Prisoners who disagree with the government. The... camps are all staffed and manned by full-time guards, however, they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) when Martial Law is implemented in the United States (at the stroke of a Presidential pen and the Attorney General’s signature on a warrant).

The camps have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities, many have airports. Like Auschwitz, some of the camps have airtight buildings and furnaces. The majority of the camps can each house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive “mental health” facility and can hold approximately 2 million people.

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And then there's this:
FEMA has over 4 acres of new coffins — why?

And this:


Apparently they've been moved since the video:
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy...-coffins-now-gone-where-are-they-2445300.html

I'm sure many if not most will just think it's a coincidence that all these coffins and bullets are being lined up. Me, I'm not so sure about that...
 
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Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

Um, I think you got me mistaken for someone else...

Guns are not being sold at record numbers in America because people are being intimidated... Those guns are being sold because people are getting empowered and prepared for the worst.
The worst being the pro-gun sides paranoid delusional belief in dsytopia perpetuated by the NRA which is very similar to the same kind of paranoid propaganda that Hitler, Mao and Stalin espoused to the masses.

Also, how the hell do you work this logic that gun owners were responsible for those tyrants wanting to take away the guns?? So, if they had just disarmed the tyrants could have had their way and killed those millions without those pesky gun owners holding back the plan.
Where do you get off saying that Hitler, Stalin and Mao disarmed the population? They didn't disarm them, they enlisted them and 90% of them went willingly. The millions they killed were the scapegoat minorities they used to perpetate hate and fear into the ignorant masses to do their killing for them.
 
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The insurmountable division that this issue brings to the table is the very reason that an Executive order may be in the cards here.

Doubt it. The vast majority of those who would consider abandoning party loyalty in response to such a motion wouldn't find themselves in the Democratic corner to begin with.

This is not a Republican/Democrat issue after all there are Democrats that are gun owners and support the second amendment and there are a few Republicans which do not support it also. The issue is one of what does the 2nd Amendment mean and what is it for. If Congress should not infringe on the 2nd Amendment most certainly the President has no authority to do so. Futhermore if there is a insurmountable division that is a sign that the public cannot agree on a solution and we do not need some President to make a decision by fiat since this violates both the idea of our government being a democracy or a republic. It is a position of autocracy.
 
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Who protects the rights of the majority not to be shot by an avalanche of guns they don't want or need?

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If you were to replace majority with minority this would be a question based in reality. The answer is those who refuse to own arms will have to depend on their neighbors who do.
 
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The answer is those who refuse to own arms will have to depend on their neighbors who do.

Truth. It has always been so.
 
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And this is your failure to understand, not theirs. To each person the Constitution means it's own thing.
Well, thats your first mistake, the constitution was not intended for each person to mean it's own thingy.

You think the Constitution is a "living" document. I personally don't and I have history on my side.
No you don't have history on your side as evidenced by the thousands and thousands of statutes, legislation, bills, acts and laws that derive their legality from the constitution over the last two hundred and twenty years or so.

So I hold that if you want to curtail or remove a natural right granted in the Bill of Rights.. you need to have a Constitutional Convention or go through the process of having each State ratify it.
Nobody can remove a natural right, not even the constitution because they are endowed by the creator and are inalienable. All rights, natural and legal are protected in the ninth amendement unless stated elsewhere in the constitution or Bill of Rights. The constitution doesn't grant rights, it simply protects them. So there again you you have shown just how misinformed and ignorant your understanding of the constitution is and why it's best to leave it's interpretation to the people who know a lot more than you.

I find my view as the most correct due to it was standard practice for the better part of 140 years prior to FDR. It ended when the Supreme Court got infected with the Progressive Movement. Laws that wouldn't have past the sniff test 10 years earlier passed without a blink. Now many in the Military gave a big fat pass on privacy and 4th amendment rights being ignored over the last 20 years as well. Do I think they actually understand the Constitution? Hell no.. the Military isn't for the thinking man, just the follower, who if there long enough becomes the leader. People will get worked up about that comment but oh well. It's the reality.
You can believe whatever you want, it's a free country but it won't make you right.


Now the list of "rebellions" you list from Wiki (which isn't a great source by the way) is full of riots which have nothing to directly do with Federal Government actions. Only 2 rebellions happened under the US Constitution since 1789. Whiskey and Fries's Rebellion.. none ended with great violence but rather arrests and then Federal pardons.
It's called a list of rebellions and civil unrest for a reason...probably because that's what they are.

Now excuse me if I don't take Brad Hart's opinion on the matter seriously. It's revision history of Thomas Jefferson on his part. Thomas Jefferson was a revolutionist. By Thomas Jefferson's own actions he acted in a manner in which Brad Hart would disapprove. But I would also state.. a Rebellion in itself can't be filled with ignorance or misinformed. As Rebellion is based on a belief that it's actors know better and it's the others who are ignorant and misinformed. This has to be true or the idea that the "Patriots" had was actually wrong and the British were correct and since I personally don't know alot of people who claim our colonial cousins were right.. I tend to see it that way.
I know, it's hard to dispute direct quotes from the man who said them, isn't it. So forgive me if I don't take you or your opinion on the matter seriously, either.

You are moderate, rational and informed.. I think not. You are the one quoting some hack's blog spot. Not I.
Thats fine, but I'll take the sources and quotes in his blog over your biased clueless little opinions any day of the week, month or year.
 
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If you were to replace majority with minority this would be a question based in reality. The answer is those who refuse to own arms will have to depend on their neighbors who do.

Nonsense. I've protected myself, and an occasional neighbor just fine without ever owning a gun. A gun is nothing more than a tool. Safety should not depend on tools, but the human minds ability to reason and plan.
 
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You have in fact not. Gun rights are less restrictive now than they have been any time recently. And some one who claims to be neutral on some rights, and is actually against others, can't go and claim to be a big defender of right. At least I am consistent, and believe strongly in protecting rights, even when I do not like the outcome of that protection. Being willing to limit people's access to medical treatments(see abortion), but don't come after my gun, that is not consistently defending rights. Claiming to be neutral on the right to marry, but heaven help some one who is considering possibly, maybe limiting in some way that might even pass Supreme Court muster, and you are willing to declare your intent to ignore those laws(which there is no constitutional basis for you to be able to do)...that is not a consistent defense of rights, and kinda means you should not be crying about any "erosion of rights".

You are in error; the right to bear arms is an enumerated right like that of free speech, the press, religion, and the right not to testify against oneself in a trial. Gay marriage would be up to individual states to determine its legality (under the Constitution). In no case, shape or form could access to medical treatments be considered a "right" on the same level as the right to bear arms. They are provided by individuals and businesses and must be paid for and the government has no place on setting the price for these services nor should the government be the primary responsible party to pay for them.
 
The worst being the pro-gun sides paranoid delusional belief in dsytopia perpetuated by the NRA which is very similar to the same kind of paranoid propaganda that Hitler, Mao and Stalin espoused to the masses.

Let's assume that to be true for a second; wouldn't you say they each delivered what people were "paranoid" about???

What's worse here is that you actually seem to be suggesting that Obama is seeking to cull a large portion of Americans, and it's going to be gun owners fault because they are resisting??

Are you actually suggesting that hitler was a good guy until he dealt with gun owners?

I don't know what to say...

Where do you get off saying that Hitler, Stalin and Mao disarmed the population? They didn't disarm them, they enlisted them and 90% of them went willingly. The millions they killed were the scapegoat minorities they used to perpetate hate and fear into the ignorant masses to do their killing for them.

Please tell me this is a joke?
 
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Nonsense. I've protected myself, and an occasional neighbor just fine without ever owning a gun. A gun is nothing more than a tool. Safety should not depend on tools, but the human minds ability to reason and plan.

You were the one who brought up the point asking who will protect the non-gun owners against bad people who use guns in their wrongdoing. And I wish more people would think that guns are tools and not some scary demonic device that goes off and kills people.
 
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Well, thats your first mistake, the constitution was not intended for each person to mean it's own thingy.

Really? How about you tell the Supreme Court Justices that when they rule outside the bounds of their legal responsibilities by legislating from the bench.. See: Commerce Clause and General Welfare Clause.

But gun control is okay? Even though it expressly says in the 2nd Amendment: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. ;)

No you don't have history on your side as evidenced by the thousands and thousands of statutes, legislation, bills, acts and laws that derive their legality from the constitution over the last two hundred and twenty years or so.

Actually, I do. How about you check up the opinion of US vs Lopez (1995) or maybe read up on how Justice Marshall laid the ground work for "dormant" Commerce Clause theory which was bastardized by progressive Judges in the 1930s and later.

Nobody can remove a natural right, not even the constitution because they are endowed by the creator and are inalienable. All rights, natural and legal are protected in the ninth amendement unless stated elsewhere in the constitution or Bill of Rights. The constitution doesn't grant rights, it simply protects them. So there again you you have shown just how misinformed and ignorant your understanding of the constitution is and why it's best to leave it's interpretation to the people who know a lot more than you.

So now nobody can remove a natural right? Such as self-defense and ownership of a firearm or free speech.. but gun "control" is allowed. How crazy of me to think that natural rights are questionable in an age when Government curtails natural rights all the time (such as "Free Speech Zones") and this very topic is about Government wanting to curtail a natural right. The 9th Amendment is one which a natural right has to be claimed for it to mean anything. But this one time in American History some people got together to claim their "natural rights" and an listed right (10th Amendment) a President forced war and cost 600,000 Americans their lives. So we know 9th Amendment protects jack.

No, I am making a point in which you failed to get. Furthermore you don't even realized I just sockpuppeted you. Government curtails "natural rights" all the time despite the protection that's suppose to be afforded to them. You have no problem with this as you clearly stated earlier. So it's you that is trying interpreting the Constitution wrong. So are the Courts, Congress and the Executive branch. Yet here we are.. you trying to educate me on what "rights" are or aren't.



You can believe whatever you want, it's a free country but it won't make you right.

Go read up on things like the Patriot Act, wiretapping and all the fancy things Government is doing to remove privacy rights. :lol:



It's called a list of rebellions and civil unrest for a reason...probably because that's what they are.

Civil unrest is a broad term. In law it can mean: illegal parades, sit-ins, riots, sabotage, and other crimes.

I know, it's hard to dispute direct quotes from the man who said them, isn't it. So forgive me if I don't take you or your opinion on the matter seriously, either.

Here is Thomas Jefferson's full quote:

Thomas Jefferson said:
"I do not know whether it is to yourself or Mr. Adams I am to give my thanks for the copy of the new constitution. I beg leave through you to place them where due. It will be yet three weeks before I shall receive them from America. There are very good articles in it: and very bad. I do not know which preponderate. What we have lately read in the history of Holland, in the chapter on the Stadtholder, would have sufficed to set me against a Chief magistrate eligible for a long duration, if I had ever been disposed towards one: and what we have always read of the elections of Polish kings should have forever excluded the idea of one continuable for life. Wonderful is the effect of impudent and persevering lying. The British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, and what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves. Yet where does this anarchy exist? Where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusets? And can history produce an instance of a rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it's motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20. years without such a rebellion. The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independant 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state. What country ever existed a century and a half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure. Our Convention has been too much impressed by the insurrection of Massachusets: and in the spur of the moment they are setting up a kite to keep the hen yard in order. I hope in god this article will be rectified before the new constitution is accepted."

Thats fine, but I'll take the sources and quotes in his blog over your biased clueless little opinions any day of the week, month or year.

Ah so now I am clueless? Even though I am about to educated you full on the whole quote.

Thomas Jefferson was speaking of the Shay's Rebellion which he thought nothing of and that the Government's actions should be one of forgiveness, not of cruelty. But ironically if it wasn't for that "Rebellion" Articles of Confederation would have lasted longer.

Now a mere 12 years later, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison wrote the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions in response to the Alien and Sedition Laws (American's first great denial of rights).
The Kentucky Resolutions of 1798

Good ol' Thomas Jefferson was calling for "Revolution", go figure right?
 
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If you were to replace majority with minority this would be a question based in reality. The answer is those who refuse to own arms will have to depend on their neighbors who do.

The sad truth is that we would all be "safer" if only the criminals and the police had guns. No one thinks that will work here but we need to at least miniimize the risks so our gun culture isn't so destructive to innocents. What we don't want is for everyone to "need" a gun or think that having a gun will make you safer from gun violence, that is a lie and is unacceptble given the additional deaths it would cause. The other statistic that is undisputable is the one that says more guns = more gun violence. Is that what the "gun nuts" really want? More shootings, more murders?
 
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I read that the fortune Jefferson left to his daughters in his will had to be used to pay off the huge debts he had outstanding. Made me question how smart he really was.
 
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Let's assume that to be true for a second; wouldn't you say they each delivered what people were "paranoid" about???
Such as?

What's worse here is that you actually seem to be suggesting that Obama is seeking to cull a large portion of Americans, and it's going to be gun owners fault because they are resisting??
First of all I never mentioned Obama and never suggested any such thing. But it's quite telling that you're trying to bring him into the equasion to distract from the the NRAs use of propaganda as compared to Hitlers. Because blaming the "other" is exactly what Hitler did to inspire the masses to achieve his goal of a paranoied distopian society as well.

Are you actually suggesting that hitler was a good guy until he dealt with gun owners?
It's just one fallacy after another with you, isn't it.

I don't know what to say...
I think you've said plenty to prove my point.

Please tell me this is a joke?
Quite the opposite.
 
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