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Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standard

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Harshaw said:
Use your vast legal training and suggest an EO he might issue which would be constitutional. You clearly have something in mind, don't you? You must if you're confident it would be "defensible."
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Where my big words too much for you? Defensible does not mean constitutional. I in fact made that clear.
 
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Redress said:
Where my big words too much for you? Defensible does not mean constitutional. I in fact made that clear.
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Why are you afraid of answering the question?

Fine, though, if you're going to split hairs, describe one which is "defensible." Which means, by the way, "plausibly constitutional."
 
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Harshaw said:
Why are you afraid of answering the question?

Fine, though, if you're going to split hairs, describe one which is "defensible." Which means, by the way, "plausibly constitutional."
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Not allowing you to distort what I said is not splitting hairs. I prefer honest debate.
 
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Redress said:
Not allowing you to distort what I said is not splitting hairs. I prefer honest debate.
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Yeah, and I adjusted the question based on your critique, and you still haven't answered.

I don't think you have an answer.
 
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Harshaw said:
Yeah, and I adjusted the question based on your critique, and you still haven't answered.

I don't think you have an answer.
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Why does there need to be an answer to that question?

As much as you guys like to portray him as such, Obama is not a moron. He's not going to issue a blatantly unconstitutional executive order regarding gun control, it would just be overturned and harm him politically.
 
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Deuce said:
Why does there need to be an answer to that question?
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There doesn't have to be if Redress is content to admit Redress is talking out of Redress's ass. But if Redress wants wants Redress's assertion to have any validity, then it's a question Redress needs to answer. This is Redress's burden, not mine.


As much as you guys like to portray him as such, Obama is not a moron. He's not going to issue a blatantly unconstitutional executive order regarding gun control, it would just be overturned and harm him politically.
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Deuce, your batting average for responding to me with gibberish irrelevant to what I said remains at 1.000.
 
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BmanMcfly said:
Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Orders' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standard

Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standard



That's if the other ten or so anti-gun bills don't pass obama will make an executive order...
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As I have said in another thread I kind of figured that Obama would resort to using an executive order to **** on the 2nd amendment.He doesn't have to worry about another term.This basically keeps the hands clean of all the anti-2nd amendment crack pots in congress and senate,as they can claim they had nothing to do with it.The republicans will pretend to care about the 2nd amendment to use this try to get more seats during the mid-term elections and the presidency in 2016.

Just a note, this would have been called "conspiracy theory" just a year ago.[/QUOTE]

It was only called a conspiracy by anti-2nd amendment loons trying to make 2nd amendemnt advocates believe that there was nothing to worry about.Obama has a history of trying to **** on the 2nd amendemnt in Illinois, so only a ****en moron would believe that there was nothing to worry about.
 
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Hatuey said:
Executive orders are constitutional aren't they?
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An EO is to make sure the the law is executed as written. The EO does not give the president the ability to create laws. This means Obama can not use it to create further restriction on guns like Biden thinks he can.
 
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Deuce said:
Why does there need to be an answer to that question?

As much as you guys like to portray him as such, Obama is not a moron. He's not going to issue a blatantly unconstitutional executive order regarding gun control, it would just be overturned and harm him politically.
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That's quite an assumption, but he has already done things that are illegal, it's just that no one has called him on it. People do illegal things all the time, if there is nobody there to do anything about it they get away with it. And no, he's not a moron. He knows exactly what he is doing. He's playing chess with a public that barely understands checkers. Of course he's not going to push the full monte all at once, it would never pass. It's a matter of doing it in steps. It's the old boiling a frog example. The end intent has already been made clear, it's only a matter of time unless we stand firm on the little pieces.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
I feel pretty confident that the military will shut down any attempt at a revolution pretty quickly.
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Unless they join it.
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
To quote VP Biden, "As the president said, if you're actions result in only saving one life, they're worth taking. But I'm convinced we can affect the well-being of millions of americans and take thousands of people out of harm's way if we act responsibly."

I suspect that banning alcohol, is also on his EO agenda.
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Along with tobacco, plastic bottles, sodas larger than 16 oz., Big Macs, etc. After all, look how effective it has been to ban heroin and meth.
 
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Diogenes said:
Along with tobacco, plastic bottles, sodas larger than 16 oz., Big Macs, etc. After all, look how effective it has been to ban heroin and meth.
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1000's of lives ARE being saved by not smoking cigarettes. Smoking is at an all time low, partly because of Govt. action. It seems really heartless that you don't care, and I suspect that is your feeling about reducing gun violence too. You don't care.

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Hatuey said:
Executive orders are constitutional aren't they?
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Not when they violate the Constitution.
 
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Redress said:
Actually, you better guess right in those situations. If you guess wrong, you are a criminal. It is taking a huge risk based on a desire to retain something trivial.
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Do you think your Constitutional rights are trivial? :shock:
 
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cpwill said:
:shrug: (Occam's Razor) but more likely this was just Biden being an idiot. It's not exactly impossible. :lol:
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That is most likely the core of the problem...
 
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Harshaw said:
Use your vast legal training and suggest an EO he might issue which would be constitutional.
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He could adjust the priorities of federal law enforcement or other agencies under his direction. That'd be something which would be well within his power and which would be done via EO.
 
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iguanaman said:
1000's of lives ARE being saved by not smoking cigarettes. Smoking is at an all time low, partly because of Govt. action. It seems really heartless that you don't care, and I suspect that is your feeling about reducing gun violence too. You don't care.
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Yeah, because there is nothing wrong with taxing people to the point where they are forced to quit. Nothing at all. Oh and great job ignoring the black market it created. :cool:
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
He could adjust the priorities of federal law enforcement or other agencies under his direction. That'd be something which would be well within his power and which would be done via EO.
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Which would do what?
 
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Harshaw said:
Which would do what?
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Agencies would alter the allocation of resources devoted to various activities based on what the executive ordered I s'pose.
I don't have any special knowledge of federal agencies. So you guess is probably as good as mine.
What do you think would happen if the PotUS directed federal agencies to adjust their priorities?
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
Agencies would alter the allocation of resources devoted to various activities based on what the executive ordered I s'pose.
I don't have any special knowledge of federal agencies. So you guess is probably as good as mine.
What do you think would happen if the PotUS directed federal agencies to adjust their priorities?
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There isn't anything "adjusted priorities" could do which would do anything toward what it's supposedly to do.
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
What is the "this" you're referring to? Do you have any details?


Do you find that the PotUS is in charge of the executive branch of govt?
If you do see that the PotUS is in charge of the executive branch of govt, do you find that the PotUS has not only the right, but the responsibility to exercise his administration of the executive branch?
If you find that the PotUS is in charge of the executive branch of govt and that he needs to exercise his control over the executive branch of govt, do you realize that to do so he must make his instructions to the executive branch known?
If you find that the PotUS is in charge of the executive branch of govt and that he needs to exercise his control over the executive branch of govt and that to do so he must make his instructions to the executive branch known, do you see that executive orders are his instructions to the executive branch of government?

W/o being able to give instructions to the executive branch, how is the PotUS going to be able to run the executive branch of govt?
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If the president through an executive order bans guns, that will be the "this"

That is exactly what the preppers are preparing for.
 
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We have things in the military called "unlawful orders", You see we are required to follow orders from our commanding officers, if our commanding officer says go and torture that kid over there? Not so much.

If we choose to follow that order, "I was just following orders" is not an acceptable defense in trial.

We are not just mindless robots, we are expected to think and make decisions on what is right or wrong.
 
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cpwill said:
You know how President Obama passed a de facto Amnesty by ordering the Border Patrol to not use it's limited resources tracking down or arresting illegal aliens of a certain age etc?

Yeah, it's going to be interesting when President Fill-In-The-Blank decides to de facto alter the tax code by ordering the IRS not to use its limited resources tracking down or collecting capital gains taxes.

The Imperial Presidency is (I agree) a bipartisan problem.
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It was never intended to be like this...I dont know who started it either and I dont care
 
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