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Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

To the best of my knowledge the employer is breaking the law.


Boo Radley said:
That's a different measure. I know some for example working two part time jobs for he same place. She works more than 40 hours, but is part time. An increase in hours, but not benefits or overtime.
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CalGun said:
Yes they were skyrocketing. No doubt they were rising much faster than general inflation; or was inflation more than we were told?

The law does nothing to the insurance companies except force them to include the people they've told they can't afford to serve
in the past - a burden they will have to put some where - I'm guessing the poor people now paying the government the penalty
for working part time will be enough to offset that - right? Oh wait - guess not - so they have to get the money some where after
all they need that evil 4 or 5% gross profit they make.
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It was a republican plan. I support tying to improve it. A public option would be better, and a two tiered single payer system better yet.
 
Boo Radley said:
It was a republican plan. I support tying to improve it. A public option would be better, and a two tiered single payer system better yet.
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Sadly after this year, you may be right....I guess the Cloward/Piven strategy works after all eh?
 
j-mac said:
Sadly after this year, you may be right....I guess the Cloward/Piven strategy works after all eh?
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Always was. And Romney supported most of it. :shrug:
 
j-mac said:
Who cares what Romney supported, or didn't support....He lost, story over.
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Yet, despite his support for it, you and others supported him. Don't you see the problem here?
 
Boo Radley said:
Yet, despite his support for it, you and others supported him. Don't you see the problem here?
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Why should I see a problem? Obama and demo's have created a situation where a manufactured crisis, of overloading the system will result in the Government saying that they must step in to run it entirely to save it, thus giving you, your vaunted UHC system that you always wanted...There you go the ends justified the means of the suffering that will be had in arriving at that point...You should be happy.
 
Dodge noted

You're a typical progressive Marxist that worships all thing Obama on these boards
 
j-mac said:
Why should I see a problem? Obama and demo's have created a situation where a manufactured crisis, of overloading the system will result in the Government saying that they must step in to run it entirely to save it, thus giving you, your vaunted UHC system that you always wanted...There you go the ends justified the means of the suffering that will be had in arriving at that point...You should be happy.
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See, too many are always seeing great conspiracies. This "crisis" has been around a long time. Many have tried to address it, going all the back to FDR. Every time and discussion started, the socialism scare rang out, and the problem continued to grow. Right now we're expensive, have poor access comparatively, and have the government largely footing the bill for those most in need of medical attention. The systems really no system at all. Obama presented a better plan, but the tea party and republicans must take some responsibility with what we have now. They help shoot down the better plan, which lead to what was seen as compromise, borrowing from republican plans.

Now, I would welcome a to tiered singe payer system. But one has not yet proposed. But if one is ever proposed, the fear mongering will be epic.
 
The CRA was directly responsible for the 2008 financial crisis. A recent report by an esteemed economic investigative body has proven this beyond refute.

Oh I'm sorry. Didn't mean to let the truth ruin your nonsensical hyper Marxist propaganda ramblings. My bad
 
Boo Radley said:
That's a different measure. I know some for example working two part time jobs for he same place. She works more than 40 hours, but is part time. An increase in hours, but not benefits or overtime.
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I am pretty sure that would be illegal in my state if she wasn't paid overtime for anything over 40.
 
Fisher said:
I am pretty sure that would be illegal in my state if she wasn't paid overtime for anything over 40.
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Like I said, I just know how the situation is. She's trying to parlay it into a full time job, which she needs. But no union, half assed promises, and she allows a lot.
 
Boo Radley said:
Like I said, I just know how the situation is. She's trying to parlay it into a full time job, which she needs. But no union, half assed promises, and she allows a lot.
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I'm sure it happens. If it were my state, she'd have a case for back OT
 
The liberals here are likening this to a small inconvenience. This isn't a minimum wage increase where an employer is out by a small to moderate chunk. We're talking several thousands of dollars per employee, per year.

You don't wonder why employers are trying to dodge this? If it was a miniscule thing, it wouldn't cause this much uproar.
 
Gipper said:
The liberals here are likening this to a small inconvenience. This isn't a minimum wage increase where an employer is out by a small to moderate chunk. We're talking several thousands of dollars per employee, per year.

You don't wonder why employers are trying to dodge this? If it was a miniscule thing, it wouldn't cause this much uproar.
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Yeah, a whole 15 cents on a pizza. Compared to someone having healthcare coverage for working people, it's a no brainier. I refuse to 15 cents. The bastards.
 
Boo Radley said:
Yeah, a whole 15 cents on a pizza. Compared to someone having healthcare coverage for working people, it's a no brainier. I refuse to 15 cents. The bastards.
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Are you being intentionally dense? I'm talking about businesses that suddenly have to close down because their costs of operation suddenly increase by a six figure amount annually.

Obamacare cost me my previous job, and my aunt is leaving the medical profession and closing up shop because of it.

You suddenly see your profits slashed 20-40%, and see if you keep a straight face - unless you're just a simple enemy of business.
 
Gipper said:
Are you being intentionally dense? I'm talking about businesses that suddenly have to close down because their costs of operation suddenly increase by a six figure amount annually.

Obamacare cost me my previous job, and my aunt is leaving the medical profession and closing up shop because of it.

You suddenly see your profits slashed 20-40%, and see if you keep a straight face - unless you're just a simple enemy of business.
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Bet it doesn't happen. I think you're being hyperbolic.
 
Boo Radley said:
Bet it doesn't happen. I think you're being hyperbolic.
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So you think that adding approximately 10k in pre-tax costs per year per employee is going to make a marginal effect on a business?

Seriously, I want whatever you're smoking.
 
Gipper said:
So you think that adding approximately 10k in pre-tax costs per year per employee is going to make a marginal effect on a business?

Seriously, I want whatever you're smoking.
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Again, watch. You have it all wrong and won't happen. Sorry, this scare tactic has been tried before, and even republicans were never going to repeal it.
 
Liberals are the ones that wanted universal healthcare paid for by the government. They recognized that we were already paying for the uninsureds' healthcare through ER visits and said it would be more efficacious to spend that money on preventative care instead.

Conservatives are the ones that refused UHC, screamed about the debt being to high and instead demanded we stop shouldering the healthcare burden and shove it onto employers instead.


Why do conservatives hate businesses so much?

Why are they so adverse to shopping for a better deal than the anal raping that we're currently getting?

How far does your head have to be up your ass to think there could ever be more political support for letting 40 million die without giving them so much as an ER visit than political support for paying less than what we currently pay and getting a hell of a lot more for our buck?
 
Boo Radley said:
See, too many are always seeing great conspiracies. This "crisis" has been around a long time. Many have tried to address it, going all the back to FDR. Every time and discussion started, the socialism scare rang out, and the problem continued to grow. Right now we're expensive, have poor access comparatively, and have the government largely footing the bill for those most in need of medical attention. The systems really no system at all. Obama presented a better plan, but the tea party and republicans must take some responsibility with what we have now. They help shoot down the better plan, which lead to what was seen as compromise, borrowing from republican plans.

Now, I would welcome a two tiered singe payer system. But one has not yet proposed. But if one is ever proposed, the fear mongering will be epic.
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We are well aware that you want the government to fully take over and run the Health Care system in the United States. But, as we see more and more of the ACA expose itself this year, can you lay out what would change from Obama's plan as it is now, to what you envision as a better system?
 
samsmart said:
Which just goes to highlight that we should implement a universal health care system rather than have a health care system primarily based on providing incentives to businesses to provide health care to their workers.
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Wouldn't a UHC program explicitly take the providing of Health care insurance away from business provided private sources, and shift it to a government provided entitlement?
 
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