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Motorist cannot be stopped for giving police the middle finger

poweRob

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I cannot believe that something like this had to be decided by a court. Police that think arresting folks for such actions seem to have gone off the charts with ego driving their decisions over actually serving the people. And it's such police that actually deserve the bird.

Appeals court: Motorist cannot be stopped for giving police the middle finger

A motorist cannot be stopped for “giving the finger” to a police officer, the U.S. Court of Appeals ruled Thursday.

In a lawsuit against two police officers, the court held the insulting gesture did not constitute “reasonable suspicion that criminal activity or a traffic violation was afoot.”​
 
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The decision was stupid in the face of reality:

“This ancient gesture of insult is not the basis for a reasonable suspicion of a traffic violation or impending criminal activity. Surely no passenger planning some wrongful conduct toward another occupant of an automobile would call attention to himself by giving the finger to a police officer.”

Illustrates the judge knows nothing about human behavior and the stupity of criminals.

What's the local law say about flipping the bird in public? In some jurisdictions it's the same as cursing in public and there are laws prohibitting such speech, especially around children. I can see this being disorderly conduct under the law. At the very least it falls under the community standards ruling like pornography.
 
i would advise against giving anyone the finger if that individual has a steering wheel between his or her hands. people lose their damned minds when you put them in a car.
 
The decision was stupid in the face of reality:



Illustrates the judge knows nothing about human behavior and the stupity of criminals.

What's the local law say about flipping the bird in public? In some jurisdictions it's the same as cursing in public and there are laws prohibitting such speech, especially around children. I can see this being disorderly conduct under the law. At the very least it falls under the community standards ruling like pornography.

It's just too much authority to give police to be able to arrest someone simply because that person showed a single fleeting sign that didn't like them very much.
 
Agree with the court's decision. But that guy was stupid as hell to flick off a cop.
 
Agree with the court's decision. But that guy was stupid as hell to flick off a cop.

Agreed. You shouldn't pull on a lion's tail but the bigger picture IMHO is that the police shouldn't be a lion in our society.
 
It's just too much authority to give police to be able to arrest someone simply because that person showed a single fleeting sign that didn't like them very much.

Yeah I can see that. What if they were flipping someone else off? How is that different? How about flipping off children, or cursing at them? Should a officer intercede then?
 
Yeah I can see that. What if they were flipping someone else off? How is that different? How about flipping off children, or cursing at them? Should a officer intercede then?

For flipping them off? nah... but I also don't think the police should arrest the parent who punches the guy in the face for doing it.

If it were just flipping a bird in passing. No. However, I think if they were showing agressive behavior towards someone else that is threatening, the bird would be of minor consequence I think anyways.
 
Yeah I can see that. What if they were flipping someone else off? How is that different? How about flipping off children, or cursing at them? Should a officer intercede then?

No, I should not be arrested for flipping off children. Or cursing at them. They can leave.
 
No, I should not be arrested for flipping off children. Or cursing at them. They can leave.

The law generally disagrees with you. Though some courts have found flipping police off to be protected FA speech, in those same jurisdictions flipping off a judge in court or a teacher in school is not protected and can be limited by law. In addition, some jurisdictions may find it obscene speech or "fighting words".

The Obscenity Exception

The government does have greater latitude to suppress “obscene” speech, but what’s “obscene.” Personally, I can’t define it, but I know it when I see it. Under current Supreme Court precedent, the word “obscene” refers to material that appeals to the prurient interest, depicts or describes sexual conduct in a way that is patently offensive, and lacks serious literary, artistic, or scientific value.[1]

Political speech is usually not considered obscene. In Cohen v. California, another Vietnam era case, a young man named Paul Cohen was arrested for wearing inside a courthouse a jacket on which he had written “F- the draft” (except that he spelled out the entire F-word). In overturning Cohen’s conviction, the Supreme Court stated that “It cannot plausibly be maintained” that the words on his jacket convey any erotic message that would meet the definition of “obscenity.”

Them’s Fightin’ Words

Under the doctrine of “fighting words” a person may be arrested for a “breach of the peace” if his or her words are spoken directly to a person and are likely to provoke violent retaliation. Whether the one-fingered salute can constitute “fighting words” has been the subject of various court cases. Unfortunately, the results haven’t been consistent. In 2000, a federal court in Arkansas held that flipping the bird to a police officer was protected speech and did not constitute “fighting words.”[2] However, on January 13, 2009, a federal court in Maine held that the First Amendment did not protect a man who was arrested for “disorderly conduct” for making the same gesture toward two game wardens.[3]

Neither of these cases, however, involved a mere picture of an extended middle finger. Whether Tim’s T-shirts are sufficiently inflammatory to drive men to violence would depend upon the situation on the mean streets of Exampletown.

School for Scandal

The State may be able to impose limitations on expression in certain other limited contexts. Under the Tinker v. Des Moines case I mentioned a minute ago, school officials could prohibit, say, the wearing of a provocative T-shirt if they have reasonable grounds to believe that the shirt would “substantially and materially disrupt the educational process

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Notice in Maine the charge was upheld against a fellow who flipped off two game wardens.
 
I cannot believe that something like this had to be decided by a court. Police that think arresting folks for such actions seem to have gone off the charts with ego driving their decisions over actually serving the people. And it's such police that actually deserve the bird.

Appeals court: Motorist cannot be stopped for giving police the middle finger

A motorist cannot be stopped for “giving the finger” to a police officer, the U.S. Court of Appeals ruled Thursday.

In a lawsuit against two police officers, the court held the insulting gesture did not constitute “reasonable suspicion that criminal activity or a traffic violation was afoot.”​

Why would a cop even be allowed to? Giving the cops "the bird" is a First Amendment right.

Of course cops generally are tyrants anyways.
 
The cops are legally empowered to pull you over for no reason whatsoever, throw you down on the hood of their car, forcibly take your blood, subject you to a full body cavity search and hold you in jail for at least 24 hours without charges. All they have to do is mention the word "drugs" and they can go so far as to confiscate your car without a conviction. Unless you have money and/or status, there ain't **** you can do except take it up the ass and say, "Thank you, officer."

Flipping the cops the bird is just as smart as wearing a confederate flag t-shirt, putting on blackface and going into the ghetto.
 
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