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Tom DeLay Sentenced To 3 Years In Prison

How many Illinois Govs. are in the can and what party do they belong to?

Blago (D)

Ryan (R)

However I'm not talking about governors - I'm talking about CHICAGO - NOT ILLINOIS. There is a huge difference considering I'm talking about a city and NOT the entire state.

You do realize that 90% of the counties in Illinois are republican outside of Chicago?

Chicago is the bad seed in the apple.
 
I'm too busy pointing out your tea party memes and talking points to worry about your vapid insults. It's frankly a blast to demonstrate how the rightwing mind circles around its memes, without ever approaching a fact.

I am pointing out facts, meanwhile you're talking crap..

You cant accept the truth - it would shatter your complex so you're in denial.
 
Nope. You are quite simply wrong. You've obviously got a chip on your shoulder about this, so I won't bother trying to disabuse you of your preconceptions. Go ahead and run with the crazy.

QTF

I'll do the same with him.
 
I am pointing out facts, meanwhile you're talking crap..

You cant accept the truth - it would shatter your complex so you're in denial.

Nobody believes you. I suspect not even yourself.

I've lost track of all the counterfactual memes you posted. But of course the purpose of rightwing memes isn't to assert facts, but to make pseudoarguments and hope nobody notices. I noticed.
 
Blago (D)

Ryan (R)

However I'm not talking about governors - I'm talking about CHICAGO - NOT ILLINOIS. There is a huge difference considering I'm talking about a city and NOT the entire state.

You do realize that 90% of the counties in Illinois are republican outside of Chicago?

Chicago is the bad seed in the apple.

Kinda looks like politics is an equal opportunity career path to the can to me. especially if you have the misfortune to be elected Gov in the land of Lincoln.:mrgreen:
 
Nope. You are quite simply wrong. You've obviously got a chip on your shoulder about this, so I won't bother trying to disabuse you of your preconceptions. Go ahead and run with the crazy.

If I'm so goddamn wrong then why the hell do progressives continually attack the Bill of Rights and Fox News' First Amendment rights as well?

Hell, progressives only own the goddamn media, MSNBC, NBC, CNN, CNN HLN, ABC, CBS, PBS and yet progressives cry about progressive TALK radio citing the "Fairness Doctrine?"

So using your logic - progressives WANT more Fox News? is that what you're implying?
 
Nobody believes you. I suspect not even yourself.

I've lost track of all the counterfactual memes you posted. But of course the purpose of rightwing memes isn't to assert facts, but to make pseudoarguments and hope nobody notices. I noticed.

Of course the same could be said for you.
 
Are we really arguing over which party has the most crooks? Really?

:2funny::2funny::2funny::2funny:
 
Nobody believes you. I suspect not even yourself.

I've lost track of all the counterfactual memes you posted. But of course the purpose of rightwing memes isn't to assert facts, but to make pseudoarguments and hope nobody notices. I noticed.

That's because people who don't believe citations are delusional.

You have a mental problem. You don't want to accept the truth because it will shatter your complex. You only believe what you want to....

I was once a progressive when I was a TEENAGER and YOUNG ADULT then a GREW UP and realized the progressive philosophy was based on lies and propaganda. I realized that progressives are nothing more than scared enslaved people or those who claim to care about others but want the government or special interest groups to do all the caring (kinda like a caring carbon credit), I realized that progressives were more interested in conflict (and violence) than they are with peace I realized their philosophy is hypocritical. I realized they and their politics were no different than a street gang.

Funny how I figured out by the age of 20 I was being played like a harp by progressives, but that doesn't mean I'm a republican - It just means I have no respect for progressives because they certainly had no respect for me by treating me like a sheep.

Yeah, ask a progressive "why" on any issue and they wont offer a legitimate and factual answer they will come up with conspiracy theories... That's why they use language like "war on woman" or "racism" - you progressives just dream up a "war" and pretend like its factual... You progressives are over emotional and quite frankly I believe you all belong in mental hospitals because you will believe anything just as long as you feel it is "unjust" just to feel as if you're "fighting for what you believe in" - when you're the ones creating the fight... No matter your age you're all just a bunch of rebellious teenagers that never grew up.

Naaaa, you cant understand what I just told you, that's why I'm a libertarian (classical liberal) and you're here spewing one-liners believing you're the popular funny kid on the 5th grade playground.

It must suck to hit your peak in the 5th grade eh?
 
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This thread has now gone over 12 pages and I see two things worth pointing out.

1. There is no clear cut winner in the "Who is worse? Republicans or Democrats" debate.

2, hoj is unable to complete a post without the use of the word "memes".
 
If I'm so goddamn wrong then why the hell do progressives continually attack the Bill of Rights and Fox News' First Amendment rights as well?

They don't.

Hell, progressives only own the goddamn media, MSNBC, NBC, CNN, CNN HLN, ABC, CBS, PBS and yet progressives cry about progressive TALK radio citing the "Fairness Doctrine?"

Progressives don't own the media. Fox is the highest rated news station in the country, so you are just entirely full of ****. Also, quite a lot of progressives don't give a frack about the fairness doctrine. This is something you've built up in your head as a talking point. You should probably stop doing that.

So using your logic - progressives WANT more Fox News? is that what you're implying?

I'm not implying anything. I'm simply pointing out that if, as you've suggested, the "progressive media" has the kind of power you're alleging, they have no use whatsoever for the fairness doctrine. Not your made up version of the fairness doctrine, but the actual fairness doctrine.
 
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They don't.
Really? then why the hell do democrats use slogans like "Faux News?" if they have no issue?

Oh yeah we're in la la land where progressives deny FACTS...



Progressives don't own the media. Fox is the highest rated news station in the country, so you are just entirely full of ****. Also, quite a lot of progressives don't give a frack about the fairness doctrine. This is something you've built up in your head as a talking point. You should probably stop doing that.

Well considering Fox is the ONLY conservative media outlet in a nation that is roughly 50% conservative, not to mention the fact progressives watch Fox because they're masochists - yeah it is not surprising Fox is the highest rated news network.. I can give you several options for progressive news - I can only give you one for conservatives.

I'm not implying anything. I'm simply pointing out that if, as you've suggested, the "progressive media" has the kind of power you're alleging, they have no use whatsoever for the fairness doctrine.

You have to understand that "fair" to progressives is to destroy every non-progressive opinion. Just like "fair" to progressives is socialism (and Marxism) yeah well, "fair" may be good to the toilet cleaners under those models, however it isn't fair to the doctor or scientist who went to school for 10+ years just so they could live the same lifestyle and be treated the same despite the fact they gave 10 years of their life to learning a trade - while anyone could pick up a toilet brush and clean a toilet.
 
They don't.
Really? then why the hell do democrats use slogans like "Faux News?" if they have no issue?

Oh yeah we're in la la land where progressives deny FACTS...

I didn't say they have no issue, I said they didn't attack the first amendment rights of anyone. Anyone with half a brain should have some issues with Faux news. Political propaganda is a bad thing. And yes, Fox is full of political propaganda. So is MSNBC (although arguably somewhat less so). More people watch Fox. Which brings me to...


Well considering Fox is the ONLY conservative media outlet in a nation that is roughly 50% conservative, not to mention the fact progressives watch Fox because they're masochists - yeah it is not surprising Fox is the highest rated news network.. I can give you several options for progressive news - I can only give you one for conservatives.

And yet, Fox is the highest rated news station in the country; so where's this progressive media monster you're obsessed with if most people are watching fox?


You have to understand that "fair" to progressives is to destroy every non-progressive opinion.

I don't have to understand that, because it's ****ing stupid and wildly inaccurate.


Just like "fair" to progressives is socialism (and Marxism)

Yeah, Socialism and Marxism are not remotely the same thing. Also, you're not talking about any kind of reality, you're talking about bull**** talking points that you use to engage in a kind of mental masturbation. I'm sure it's rewarding to you, but it's still a fantasy. I would hope it gets you off, though, because otherwise it's entirely worthless.
 
About ****ing time. With regards to justice, Tom sure as hell lived up to his last name.

Tom DeLay Sentenced To 3 Years In Prison

Former U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, once considered among the nation's most powerful and feared lawmakers, was sentenced to three years in prison Monday for a scheme to influence elections that already cost him his job, leadership post and millions of dollars in legal fees. The sentence comes after a jury in November convicted DeLay, a Houston-area Republican, on charges of money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering for using a political action committee to illegally send corporate donations to Texas House candidates in 2002. Prosecutors said DeLay will likely be free for months or even years as his appeal makes it through the Texas court system.​

The whole thing is exactly what Dave Chappele exemplified in this bit called "Tron Carter's Law & Order". Two different justice system's indeed.

Maybe he will have a reunion with his pal Jack Abramoff when he gets out of the pokey in three years.
 
I didn't say they have no issue, I said they didn't attack the first amendment rights of anyone. Anyone with half a brain should have some issues with Faux news. Political propaganda is a bad thing. And yes, Fox is full of political propaganda. So is MSNBC (although arguably somewhat less so). More people watch Fox. Which brings me to...

Yeah right, progressives think Fox News should be banned.

Oh really? progressives certainly want to ban Free Speech - anything they don't agree with is promptly labeled "hate speech" - If I was wrong then "hate speech" wouldn't even be a phrase now would it? NO that is something progressives invented.


And yet, Fox is the highest rated news station in the country; so where's this progressive media monster you're obsessed with if most people are watching fox?

I'll attempt to make it as simple as possible - progressives have several news outlets to watch - conservatives only have ONE and conservatives make up 50% of the populace. One side gets watered down due to competition and the other has NO competition. Since Fox News has no competition and the other outlets do and factoring in the notion that 50% of the nation is conservative or republican Fox News will be rated higher. It's basic statistics. Well, either that or you're confused on how TV ratings work.




I don't have to understand that, because it's ****ing stupid and wildly inaccurate.

Oh really? then what the hell are you attempting to do now? progressives are a bunch of Nazi's who believe they can ban whatever they don't like or tax the ideas or substances they don't like into oblivion.

You want to talk about happy meal toys, slurpees and cigarettes or guns, fireworks and light bulbs?


Yeah, Socialism and Marxism are not remotely the same thing. Also, you're not talking about any kind of reality, you're talking about bull**** talking points that you use to engage in a kind of mental masturbation. I'm sure it's rewarding to you, but it's still a fantasy. I would hope it gets you off, though, because otherwise it's entirely worthless.

Marxism is a social philosophy and socialism is the economic model the philosophy exists under. Both are the same because both ideas are joined at the hip. WOW socioeconomics!
 
That's because people who don't believe citations are delusional.

You have a mental problem. You don't want to accept the truth because it will shatter your complex. You only believe what you want to....

I was once a progressive when I was a TEENAGER and YOUNG ADULT then a GREW UP and realized the progressive philosophy was based on lies and propaganda. I realized that progressives are nothing more than scared enslaved people or those who claim to care about others but want the government or special interest groups to do all the caring (kinda like a caring carbon credit), I realized that progressives were more interested in conflict (and violence) than they are with peace I realized their philosophy is hypocritical. I realized they and their politics were no different than a street gang.

Funny how I figured out by the age of 20 I was being played like a harp by progressives, but that doesn't mean I'm a republican - It just means I have no respect for progressives because they certainly had no respect for me by treating me like a sheep.

Yeah, ask a progressive "why" on any issue and they wont offer a legitimate and factual answer they will come up with conspiracy theories... That's why they use language like "war on woman" or "racism" - you progressives just dream up a "war" and pretend like its factual... You progressives are over emotional and quite frankly I believe you all belong in mental hospitals because you will believe anything just as long as you feel it is "unjust" just to feel as if you're "fighting for what you believe in" - when you're the ones creating the fight... No matter your age you're all just a bunch of rebellious teenagers that never grew up.

Naaaa, you cant understand what I just told you, that's why I'm a libertarian (classical liberal) and you're here spewing one-liners believing you're the popular funny kid on the 5th grade playground.

It must suck to hit your peak in the 5th grade eh?

The old "grew up" crap statement is BS as the " I was so drunk I didn't know what I was doing".
So in another words you grew up and everyone else stayed retarded , right? Well, while you were trying to cut the cord many of us were already serving in the military at 18.

But of course you are too smart to be a democrat and of course not a republican either. And in another 20 yrs you will look at this dribble and be embarassed.
 
I know exactly what it is....

Yeah, just like Obamacare doesn't have death panels that will "ration" resources.

Fair to progressives is their POV puked back at them on MSNBC 24-7-365.

Just like socialism is the only "fair" solution to progressives.

The simple fact that you went off topic to do a broadstroke bull**** slam of liberals in general kind of proves that you have not a clue what the fairness doctrine is and was.
 
Yeah, and Tom Delay was tried in the justice system when you go to jail for committing an act that was made illegal after you comitted it.

Gotta love that, right?

This egregious lack of knowledge of the law is just sad. What you are claiming is expressed directly in the constitution as unconstitutional:

Ex post facto laws are expressly forbidden by the United States Constitution in Article 1, Section 9, Clause 3.

No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.​

Now go ahead and bring the proof that all the judges in from the original trial through the follow up appeals agreed on a ruling that was so blatantly unconstitutional.
 
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About ****ing time. With regards to justice, Tom sure as hell lived up to his last name.

Tom DeLay Sentenced To 3 Years In Prison

Former U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, once considered among the nation's most powerful and feared lawmakers, was sentenced to three years in prison Monday for a scheme to influence elections that already cost him his job, leadership post and millions of dollars in legal fees. The sentence comes after a jury in November convicted DeLay, a Houston-area Republican, on charges of money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering for using a political action committee to illegally send corporate donations to Texas House candidates in 2002. Prosecutors said DeLay will likely be free for months or even years as his appeal makes it through the Texas court system.​

The whole thing is exactly what Dave Chappele exemplified in this bit called "Tron Carter's Law & Order". Two different justice system's indeed.

Yeah. can I have a big Amen to that. AAAAMMMEEN. Pompus asshole.
 
It was repealed by Reagan in 1987, paving the way for the Rightwing Noise Machine and Fox News.

F.C.C. VOTES DOWN FAIRNESS DOCTRINE IN A 4-0 DECISION - NYTimes.com

That's what I thought. It is also opposed by the current president. The "Fairness Doctrine" has about as much chance of becoming law as a snowball has of surviving the summer in Phoenix outside on the sidewalk. Still, it is ranted about by the RW radio hosts as if it were a real threat to their programs.
 
Are we really arguing over which party has the most crooks? Really?

:2funny::2funny::2funny::2funny:

No, I think the argument was about who gets picked on the most because of its crooks. you know, "Hey, sure, that R was a crook, but were he a Democrat, he'd have gotten away with being a crook. "

Political parties, bah, humbug!
 
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