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Hollywood keeps its tax break in 'fiscal cliff' deal

apdst said:
How do you explain most movies pushing a Liberal agenda?
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I don't know about most, but a large portion do. It's the screenwriters, the directors, and the actors. Conservatives can make film, but often times they are marred with one difficulty or another: can't get the big names, can't get the script right, can't get a decent director, can't get the funding. It's not necessarily doctrine so much as a self-sustained culture of Hollywood workers, but not really the executives.
 
Risky Thicket said:
It didn't take long for this thread to sink into ridiculous partisan bitch slapping.

"He hit me first."

"He hit me harder."

How about the fact that the pork barreling was wrong? American citizens are the real constituents, not special interests. Not Hollywood. Not the oil industry. Not Puerto Rican rum. It's wrong when Congress does that ****, no matter who they do it for. Lobbyists were all over that bill. That's wrong. That's a major part of the problem. Who gives a fat rat's ass who did it first and who got more? It's wrong. It's always wrong.
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Special interests are just concentrated pockets of American citizens (the ones you call "real constituents"). The top gets more, but we can't forget that that the industries employ a great many jobs and impact the overall economy of each state/district, hence why it simply makes more sense to have collection of special interests vying for attention of the representative rather than millions of incoherent voices streaming in.
 
Risky Thicket said:
It didn't take long for this thread to sink into ridiculous partisan bitch slapping.

"He hit me first."

"He hit me harder."

How about the fact that the pork barreling was wrong? American citizens are the real constituents, not special interests. Not Hollywood. Not the oil industry. Not Puerto Rican rum. It's wrong when Congress does that ****, no matter who they do it for. Lobbyists were all over that bill. That's wrong. That's a major part of the problem. Who gives a fat rat's ass who did it first and who got more? It's wrong. It's always wrong.
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You wanna cry about partisanship, yet insist on mentioning oil and gas subsidies that don't exist.
 
Risky Thicket said:
When is the last time you saw a good Dennis Miller movie?
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Yeah, because "Tales From The Crypt's Bordello of Blood" is such a bastion of conservative thought.
 
apdst said:
How do you explain most movies pushing a Liberal agenda?
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Like I said before, it's because they think movie audiences will pay to see it.
 
samsmart said:
Like I said before, it's because they think movie audiences will pay to see it.
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So, you admit that most Hollywood movies are pushing a Liberal agenda?

It's awful arrogant to suggest that movies with a Liberal lean will sell more tickets than movies with a Conservative lean.
 
Fiddytree said:
I don't know about most, but a large portion do. It's the screenwriters, the directors, and the actors. Conservatives can make film, but often times they are marred with one difficulty or another: can't get the big names, can't get the script right, can't get a decent director, can't get the funding. It's not necessarily doctrine so much as a self-sustained culture of Hollywood workers, but not really the executives.
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The execs control the purse strings.
 
Deuce said:
Jeez, they say our tax structure makes businesses flee to other countries, and then get mad about tax benefits designed to prevent exactly that...
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The benefits aren't broad. They are specific, and more often than not to individuals that tend to fit the Democrat narrative, sometimes even specific individuals.

The fact that these benefits get enacted at all, for anybody, speaks to the need for them in the first place, and the negative aspects of taxes. The fact that they only go to certain people.... well, now, that is called corruption.
 
apdst said:
So, you admit that most Hollywood movies are pushing a Liberal agenda?
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No.

I admit that Hollywood executives make the kind of movies that Hollywood executives think audiences will pay to see.

apdst said:
It's awful arrogant to suggest that movies with a Liberal lean will sell more tickets than movies with a Conservative lean.
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Hollywood executives are quite arrogant in what they think movie audiences want.

What's scary is how often they are right.
 
samsmart said:
No.

I admit that Hollywood executives make the kind of movies that Hollywood executives think audiences will pay to see.



Hollywood executives are quite arrogant in what they think movie audiences want.

What's scary is how often they are right.
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Wow, how full of the Libbo agenda can a person be to think that only movies with a Leftist lean will draw audiences. :lamo
 
apdst said:
So, you admit that most Hollywood movies are pushing a Liberal agenda?

It's awful arrogant to suggest that movies with a Liberal lean will sell more tickets than movies with a Conservative lean.
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So you don't believe in free market capitalism... interesting.
 
apdst said:
Did you see, "Dave", or, "The American President"?
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An interesting pair of films. Bachelor Presidents, well, one officially anyhow during the mid-1990s.

The execs control the purse strings.
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Yes, but the culture is more to do with the underlings, the creative talent.

I mean, I share much of your criticism of Hollywood, I really do, but I think this is slightly exaggerated.
 
apdst said:
Wow, how full of the Libbo agenda can a person be to think that only movies with a Leftist lean will draw audiences. :lamo
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LOL... you are the only one saying that. No one else.

First, movies are quite profitible... and it is only you saying there is a liberal agenda. Therefore, by your view, liberal movies are big sellers.

Now, back to your wild conspiracies.
 
poweRob said:
So you don't believe in free market capitalism... interesting.
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How do you get that idea? Did I say that they can't, or shouldn't do what they're doing? Or did I just point out a fact about what they're doing?

I thought you were smarter than that, but...
 
poweRob said:
LOL... you are the one saying that. No one else.

First, movies are quite profitible... and it is only you saying there is a liberal agenda. Therefore, by your view, liberal movies are big sellers.

Now, back to your wild conspiracies.
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No I'm not. Samsmart is. Do try and keep up.
 
apdst said:
Wow, how full of the Libbo agenda can a person be to think that only movies with a Leftist lean will draw audiences. :lamo
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For one, I'm not full of the "Libbo" agenda. I'm just stating how Hollywood works.

Secondly, I'm not a fan of the Hollywood industry. I don't like that Hollywood executives make movies based on what they think sells. It limits the creativity of film. Even so, Hollywood is a business first, and film executives do what they do in order to ensure that a film is profitable. Which they need to do considering how much money is required to invest in a film project - millions of dollars.

Thirdly, it is not the fault of Hollywood executives that audiences seem to like what they like. Audiences, as a mass, tend to enjoy stories that are generally formulaic and what they are used to. Movie audiences want to go to movies to be entertained, not to be educated or enlightened. This is the sole function of the romantic comedy genre. So Hollywood executives are just providing a supply to what movie audiences demand.

Fourthly, I don't know why you disparage me for explaining how Hollywood works to you, or why you think my explanation is a defense of them. All doing so does is highlight how ignorant you are of the industry. You can if you want to. It just doesn't make any sense at all to do so though.
 
apdst said:
No I'm not. Samsmart is. Do try and keep up.
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I'll wait on you. Clearly I did a hyper logic jump well beyond you.
 
samsmart said:
Thirdly, it is not the fault of Hollywood executives that audiences seem to like what they like. Audiences, as a mass, tend to enjoy stories that are generally formulaic and what they are used to. Movie audiences want to go to movies to be entertained, not to be educated or enlightened. This is the sole function of the romantic comedy genre. So Hollywood executives are just providing a supply to what movie audiences demand.
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I've mostly come to the conclusion that Hollywood's attempts at educating or enlightening us almost always fall flat with cliches and self-adulation. So, while I am a critic of romantic comedies, I have more of a soft spot on them than many such "deep" films. ;)
 
When Progressive Marxists claim the rich aren't paying their "fair share", they only mean the ones they can't bribe

The Hollywood meat puppets who play make believe in front of the camera bow at the alter of Big Government, so they get a pass
 
apdst said:
Wow, how full of the Libbo agenda can a person be to think that only movies with a Leftist lean will draw audiences. :lamo
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Well if you don't like it get off your ass and make a "conservative" film and prove that people want to see it if you think differently. . Sounds like you have one class envy.
 
Fenton said:
Thats one "bussiness" I wouldn't have any problem with being off shored.

Actually off shored into the frigid waters of the North Atlantic.
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They can come here, they just have to be unionized.
 
samsmart said:
Except movie stars are not necessarily the ones seeking out these tax breaks. Rather, it is the movie executives who are.
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You have no ****ing shame, you know that samsmart. I'll bet you'd drink sulfuric acid for these leftist hypocrites if they asked, wouldn't you?
 
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