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10 States to Boost Minimum Wage.....

Notice that the term "Entry Level Job" has been quietly removed from the American lexicon.

Minimum wage jobs were never meant to be career jobs, they are jobs for the elderly and kids. In the past twenty years, the United States has imported millions of people with the mindset that once they get a minimum wage job, they stay forever, that is their career. Sometimes they move to another minimum wage job.

That "Minimum wage job as career" mindset also includes NEVER doing anything to improve yourself, never learning, never advancing and never getting an education You simply stay in the job, keeping others out and scream because your wages are too low to raise your family of five children. That is the mindset of the non-Western immigrants. These people vote for liberals who condemn employers as "stingy" for not giving them more money and when the minimum wage is raised, the government gets more in taxes from the employer.

They take those jobs and stay with them because of the taxpayer funded benefits they receive.

I posted somewhere else on here that a single parent with 2 kids under the age of 16 making $20k/yr is eligible for benefits which net out to the same disposable income as someone else in the same family situation making $50k/yr. (link)

Why better yourself if doing so reduces your standard of living?
 
Washington state min wage is over 9 bucks now and their economy seems
about average with other states and I have not seen burger joints closing in mass.

Average ? What States are you using. Washington States economy is horrible right now.

I guess I find it hard to see any light at the end of the tunnel when Houston, Tx is and Texas in general is the primary source for economic activity in North America.

All averages compared to us equals a list of failing States.
 
People (mainly liberals, socialists, etc) clamor for higher minimum wage all the time. This is simple math really. Business owners will simply fire one worker and make another work harder to make up for it. It's like the call for socialized medicine. Employers have already figured a way around it. That's the problem with all of these social programs. We're in a capitalist system. The business owners will simply find a way around them everytime.

Problem is if the job is labor intensive what you propose probably isn't possible. And if it is, most sane employers have already done it. If I have three employees and can fire one and still accomplish the same work I'm carrying dead weight with three employees. I should fire one regardless of minimum wage (and in a competitive economic system, failing to fire the dead weight will put my business out of business - either capitalism is broken or this idea of firing a worker and making others work harder is dumb.)
 
Problem is if the job is labor intensive what you propose probably isn't possible. And if it is, most sane employers have already done it. If I have three employees and can fire one and still accomplish the same work I'm carrying dead weight with three employees. I should fire one regardless of minimum wage (and in a competitive economic system, failing to fire the dead weight will put my business out of business - either capitalism is broken or this idea of firing a worker and making others work harder is dumb.)

This is partially inaccurate. I cede to you that a larger company will not follow this model. However, more than 50% of employees are employed by small businesses. There are many business owners, small businesses in particular, that will hold on to a worker even if it puts a little bit of a dent in their profit. But when it gets to the point that its costing them to employ said worker, they'll fire him. Firing/laying people off sometimes hurts businesses worse that cutting people to get a little more profit. No business wants former employees speading bad gouge about them or protesting in front of their store, plant, etc. Capitalism does have a human factor in it. Not all business owners are cold hearted snakes as they are depicted by liberal talking heads and politicians.
 
Actually if they can't afford it, they will find a way to purchase capital that will do the job instead. You know all those self-checkout counters they have at supermarkets now? Did you notice how those started to go up three months after the last time Congress raised the national minimum wage? Unemployment started climbing about the same time.


The notion that "well if you can't afford to pay a wage of X then you don't deserve to be in business" is as destructive as the idea that "if you don't have the skill set to make your labor worth X then you don't deserve to work".

I think you're reading way too much in your individual observations and you should get some more information before you credit the creation and implementation of the self check out machine to minimum wage laws. Personally I think its more much reasonable to say these machines, like automated assembly lines, are replacing some workers because the cost of operating them isn't just below minimum wage but so far below that it wouldn't matter what the minimum wage was or if there even was one it would still be more economical to employ these machines.
 
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I think you're reading way too much in your individual observations and you should get some more information before you credit the creation and implementation of the self check out machine to minimum wage laws. Personally I think its more much reasonable to say these machines, like automated assembly lines, are replacing some workers because the cost of operating them isn't just below minimum wage but so far below that it wouldn't what the minimum wage was or if there even was one it would still be more economical to employ these machines.

I expect the self checkouts are also have higher throughputs as 6 of them can be installed in the space of two checkouts. Doubling the number of customers who can be checked out, with just one employee
 
boosting minimum wage for states is a horrible ideas.states have multiple areas of varying cost of living,it would make sense to let individual areas decideminimum wage based off cost of living and average income.

clearly lets use cali,hollywood may have a super high cost of living,while san bernardino county would have a fairly low cost of living,san bernardino county federal minimum wage would afford plenty,but hollywood and other rich coastal cities minimum wage cant afford crap,raising state minimum wage raises costs across a state,so san bernardino country business wouldsuffer tomake hollywood slightly more liveable,its counter productive.

it would makemore sense fora city that charges top dollar to survive with millionaires flipping the bill to raisewages and pricesa little higher so minimum wage buys equal to other areas.minimum wage isnt a living wage nor was it ever meant to be,but its not hard for every city to pay minimum wage to where it buys the same as minimum in an area with a low cost of living,this ofcourse wouldmean hollywood and upscale la would pay 22 an hour minimum wage while san bernardino county would pay federal minimum wage,both would have the same buying power.
 
I am sure some from the left would think so. Here in Chicago they just had a protest and they wanted 15 an hr. Shall we throw in some benefits too?

MIT came up with a living wage calculator based on area you live in.
 
I think you're reading way too much in your individual observations and you should get some more information before you credit the creation and implementation of the self check out machine to minimum wage laws.

You are reading more into what I wrote than I said. The increase in the national minimum wage law simply made those machines relatively cheaper on the margin, resulting in their more rapid spread.




Really. I don't understand why people have such trouble internalizing that labor exists on a supply/demand curve in competition with alternative resources.
 
I tried using one of those self-checkouts at a Lowe's a couple weeks ago, and the thing kept ****ing up. It wouldn't scan the items.
 
You are reading more into what I wrote than I said. The increase in the national minimum wage law simply made those machines relatively cheaper on the margin, resulting in their more rapid spread.




Really. I don't understand why people have such trouble internalizing that labor exists on a supply/demand curve in competition with alternative resources.

Guess I was reading too much into it.
 
Washington state min wage is over 9 bucks now and their economy seems about average with other states and I have not seen burger joints closing in mass.

Here in Santa Fe, NM, the minimum wage is highest in the nation at $10.29. Small town... just put up a third McDonalds. A 2nd WalMart.

It's not killing this city's economy.
 
I tried using one of those self-checkouts at a Lowe's a couple weeks ago, and the thing kept ****ing up. It wouldn't scan the items.

I use one at the commissary here in Japan, or in the States when I'm at Wal-Mart all the time. If you don't have a massive load, it's quicker and more effective.
 
Here in Santa Fe, NM, the minimum wage is highest in the nation at $10.29. Small town... just put up a third McDonalds. A 2nd WalMart.

It's not killing this city's economy.
What small town has three McDonalds and two Wal-Marts?
 
That's not a small town, that is pretty large bordering city.

no thats fairly small,i lived in joshua tree that was small,ithad a littleover 3k when i moved there and about as much land size as la,while the neighboring city had around 50k when i moved their,prolly now around 65k,yet most americans would drive through it and call it some redneck ghost town.with its population close to santa fe,its economy was practically reliant on the hour away palm springs and 40 minutes away 29 palms marine base.
 
no thats fairly small,i lived in joshua tree that was small,ithad a littleover 3k when i moved there and about as much land size as la,while the neighboring city had around 50k when i moved their,prolly now around 65k,yet most americans would drive through it and call it some redneck ghost town.with its population close to santa fe,its economy was practically reliant on the hour away palm springs and 40 minutes away 29 palms marine base.

Santa Fe is the capital so most jobs are government (State, city and county) and a lot of people commute here to work from Albuquerque.... which is the big city of New Mexico.
 
no thats fairly small,i lived in joshua tree that was small,ithad a littleover 3k when i moved there and about as much land size as la,while the neighboring city had around 50k when i moved their,prolly now around 65k,yet most americans would drive through it and call it some redneck ghost town.with its population close to santa fe,its economy was practically reliant on the hour away palm springs and 40 minutes away 29 palms marine base.

I guess the sizes are different in the U.S.. Here a town is everything between I think 1500 and 100,000 people anything larger is a city. Generally anything over 50,000 is a large town.
 
Santa Fe is the capital so most jobs are government (State, city and county) and a lot of people commute here to work from Albuquerque.... which is the big city of New Mexico.

kinda like yucca valley,itwas amedium between 29 palms and palsprings and therest of the coachella valley and coachellafest(largest music fest in the country)joshua tree itselfhowever was inhabited by homesteaders whowere given free lad by the federal govt under the deal they build a house on it,in which my great grandfather moved from missouri to do.
 
kinda like yucca valley,itwas amedium between 29 palms and palsprings and therest of the coachella valley and coachellafest(largest music fest in the country)joshua tree itselfhowever was inhabited by homesteaders whowere given free lad by the federal govt under the deal they build a house on it,in which my great grandfather moved from missouri to do.

So what you are saying is you come from a long line of government free-loaders taking government handouts? lol
 
So what you are saying is you come from a long line of government free-loaders taking government handouts? lol

quite so,but iwouldnt call it freeloaders,it was blm land that couldnt be sold unless the govt paidpeople to move there.

instead of paying them,they gave each person 5 free acres under the requirement they build a house on it.cali wasnt the only state to do it,kansas does the same,so do many other states,its mostly a move to get people to move into empty land that isnt worth a dime unless people actually live there.
 
quite so,but iwouldnt call it freeloaders,it was blm land that couldnt be sold unless the govt paidpeople to move there.

instead of paying them,they gave each person 5 free acres under the requirement they build a house on it.cali wasnt the only state to do it,kansas does the same,so do many other states,its mostly a move to get people to move into empty land that isnt worth a dime unless people actually live there.

Yeah I was just giving you ****.

Perhaps they should do that for the nasty scab on the country called West Texas.
 
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