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Claim seeks $100 million for child survivor of Connecticut school shooting

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Claim seeks $100 million for child survivor of Connecticut school shooting - Yahoo! News

(Reuters) - A $100 million claim on behalf of a 6-year-old survivor is the first legal action to come out of the Connecticut school shooting that left 26 children and adults dead two weeks ago.

The unidentified client, referred to as Jill Doe, heard "cursing, screaming, and shooting" over the school intercom when the gunman, 20-year-old Adam Lanza, opened fire, according to the claim filed by New Haven-based attorney Irv Pinsky.

Pinsky's claim said that the state Board of Education, Department of Education and Education Commissioner had failed to take appropriate steps to protect children from "foreseeable harm."

It said they had failed to provide a "safe school setting" or design "an effective student safety emergency response plan and protocol."
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So now we have a surviving child's parents looking to cash in on a 'forseeable harm' claim- nice.
 
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This whole thing is bloody disgusting. I mean really. People DIED and some random bloke decides to sue the school because his kid heard shouting and curse words?

How about be happy that his kid is alive and not dead like the rest of those more unfortunate people. And then take steps to ensure that this will never happen, like have more, proper security put in place at schools. More guards. I mean by God, the US federal government spends a FORTUNE, an ever increasing FORTUNE on crappy public education, the least it could do is make sure that crappy public education is well guarded. I'm sure hiring a few security officers for every school will be a good investment of all that, otherwise, wasteful spending. And that will never happen until the people demand it of their elected official jokes.

I am not in favor of armed security officers, as in, armed with firearms. But with tasers, sure thing.
 
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Rainman05 said:
This whole thing is bloody disgusting. I mean really. People DIED and some random bloke decides to sue the school because his kid heard shouting and curse words?

How about be happy that his kid is alive and not dead like the rest of those more unfortunate people. And then take steps to ensure that this will never happen, like have more, proper security put in place at schools. More guards. I mean by God, the US federal government spends a FORTUNE, an ever increasing FORTUNE on crappy public education, the least it could do is make sure that crappy public education is well guarded. I'm sure hiring a few security officers for every school will be a good investment of all that, otherwise, wasteful spending. And that will never happen until the people demand it of their elected official jokes.

I am not in favor of armed security officers, as in, armed with firearms. But with tasers, sure thing.
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Tasers dont have enough range to be effective unless the attacker is willing to close range with you. I mentioned tasers and bean bag weapons, but the are largely ineffective much past 20 feet.

Im not sure you can make a case for forseeable or preventable for that matter. Ive got to say I dont think Id be looking for blame if my child were alive.
 
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More proof that some humans, are living, breathing, pieces of ****.
Hopefully a judge will be wise enough to not allow such damages to be levied.
 
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If he deserves $100 million just because his kid was there when it happened, I guess I deserve maybe $1 million from all the anguish of hearing anti-gun BS for the past month, right?
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
If he deserves $100 million just because his kid was there when it happened, I guess I deserve maybe $1 million from all the anguish of hearing anti-gun BS for the past month, right?
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Add 200,000.00 Euro's there because I too empathized the anguish of bearing the forums being flooded with gun related issues and you'll have 1,200,000.00 Euro's. Who will represent our case?
 
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It was not even actually seeing the shooting that caused this "anguish" but the hearing of its results over the school's loud speaker? Sue the school for its operation/activation of a warning over the PA system! Lawyers will do the strangest things, for 25% to 33% of the booty, of course. ;)
 
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Pinsky's claim said that the state Board of Education, Department of Education and Education Commissioner had failed to take appropriate steps to protect children from "foreseeable harm."

It said they had failed to provide a "safe school setting" or design "an effective student safety emergency response plan and protocol."
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Scum, obviously.
 
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Rainman05 said:
This whole thing is bloody disgusting. I mean really. People DIED and some random bloke decides to sue the school because his kid heard shouting and curse words?

How about be happy that his kid is alive and not dead like the rest of those more unfortunate people. And then take steps to ensure that this will never happen, like have more, proper security put in place at schools. More guards. I mean by God, the US federal government spends a FORTUNE, an ever increasing FORTUNE on crappy public education, the least it could do is make sure that crappy public education is well guarded. I'm sure hiring a few security officers for every school will be a good investment of all that, otherwise, wasteful spending. And that will never happen until the people demand it of their elected official jokes.

I am not in favor of armed security officers, as in, armed with firearms. But with tasers, sure thing.
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Tasers are kind of like knives; one shouldn't bring them to a gun fight.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
It was not even actually seeing the shooting that caused this "anguish" but the hearing of its results over the school's loud speaker? Sue the school for its operation/activation of a warning over the PA system! Lawyers will do the strangest things, for 25% to 33% of the booty, of course. ;)
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Dig a little deeper, it's probably more like 50%. :thumbs:
 
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SMTA said:
Claim seeks $100 million for child survivor of Connecticut school shooting - Yahoo! News



So now we have a surviving child's parents looking to cash in on a 'forseeable harm' claim- nice.
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I'm going to play lawyers advocate here and say that this may be less about trying to cash in and more about opening the state of Connecticut up to lawsuits for not providing enough protection. By this lawyer filing this lawsuit, a legal precedent can be set for the state's responsibility for the protection of students, and throughout all the states rather than just in Connecticut.

Doing so will put pressure on state governments to enact some kind of reform to provide better protection of our schools.

Hopefully, it will work out this way.
 
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samsmart said:
I'm going to play lawyers advocate here and say that this may be less about trying to cash in and more about opening the state of Connecticut up to lawsuits for not providing enough protection. By this lawyer filing this lawsuit, a legal precedent can be set for the state's responsibility for the protection of students, and throughout all the states rather than just in Connecticut.

Doing so will put pressure on state governments to enact some kind of reform to provide better protection of our schools.

Hopefully, it will work out this way.
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Nothing could have prevented this tragedy, except armed teachers. Security guard? First shot - gone.

Turning schools into prisons is not the answer.
 
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ecofarm said:
Nothing could have prevented this tragedy, except armed teachers. Security guard? First shot - gone.

Turning schools into prisons is not the answer.
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I'm not saying what the answer is - I'm not getting into that debate.

However, what I'm saying is that this lawyer is filing this lawsuit in order to force state legislatures to have that debate and to come up with solutions, if only to fulfill their legal obligations in protecting school students in order to prevent future lawsuits against them.

Hopefully, they will come up with some reforms that do actually better protect students.
 
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samsmart said:
I'm not saying what the answer is - I'm not getting into that debate.

However, what I'm saying is that this lawyer is filing this lawsuit in order to force state legislatures to have that debate and to come up with solutions, if only to fulfill their legal obligations in protecting school students in order to prevent future lawsuits against them.

Hopefully, they will come up with some reforms that do actually better protect students.
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Using illegitimate lawsuits to get bureaucrats to hold extra meetings is crap. What a huge waste of time and money, for the justice and education systems.

Going about things in a bs manner is not the way.
 
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ecofarm said:
Nothing could have prevented this tragedy, except armed teachers. Security guard? First shot - gone.

Turning schools into prisons is not the answer.
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How is an armed teacher any different than an armed security guard?

How does an armed security guard make the school become a prison and an armed teacher not have the same effect?
 
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samsmart said:
I'm going to play lawyers advocate here and say that this may be less about trying to cash in and more about opening the state of Connecticut up to lawsuits for not providing enough protection. By this lawyer filing this lawsuit, a legal precedent can be set for the state's responsibility for the protection of students, and throughout all the states rather than just in Connecticut.

Doing so will put pressure on state governments to enact some kind of reform to provide better protection of our schools.

Hopefully, it will work out this way.
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I thought of the same thing - hopefully it will work to increase school security.
 
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ecofarm said:
Using illegitimate lawsuits to get bureaucrats to hold extra meetings is crap. What a huge waste of time and money, for the justice and education systems.

Going about things in a bs manner is not the way.
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Considering that despite the people being the sovereign in the U.S. but have very little in the way of implementing policies directly, using lawsuits to get legislators to pass reforms is one of the few levers that the people have to exert pressure on our elected representatives.
 
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SMTA said:
How is an armed teacher any different than an armed security guard?
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Really? A guard is generally in uniform or otherwise known. If you're the badguy and you know who has a gun, you shoot them first. It's pointless for defense against murderous slaughter.

How does an armed security guard make the school become a prison and an armed teacher not have the same effect?
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I was referring to other measures.

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SMTA said:
How is an armed teacher any different than an armed security guard?

How does an armed security guard make the school become a prison and an armed teacher not have the same effect?
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Several advantages of a concealed-armed (non-uniformed) school staff exist. 1) Students are not likely to be aware of who is "packing", 2) the perp is not likely to be aware of who is "packing", 3) armed uniformed security do only one thing and are idle 99.9% of the time, 4) teachers/staff are already present, familiar and cause no alram to students and 5) costs to add an extra colateral duty to existing personnel are far lower than adding additional "single purpose" personnel.
 
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samsmart said:
Considering that despite the people being the sovereign in the U.S. but have very little in the way of implementing policies directly, using lawsuits to get legislators to pass reforms is one of the few levers that the people have to exert pressure on our elected representatives.
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Glorifying frivolous lawsuits. All self-righteous about it too. Very nice.
 
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ecofarm said:
Really? A guard is generally in uniform or otherwise known. If you're the badguy and you know who has a gun, you shoot them first. It's pointless for defense against murderous slaughter.



I was referring to other measures.

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Poor reasoning. If a shooter is going to take out the uniformed guard because he is armed do you really think if all teachers are carrying he will have any trouble identifying which person in a classroom of 6 yr olds has the gun?

A teacher doesn't have time to patrol the school grounds like a guard can. I think the guard may be more of a preventive action while the carrying teacher would be reactive action.
 
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Crosscheck said:
Poor reasoning. If a shooter is going to take out the uniformed guard because he is armed do you really think if all teachers are carrying he will have any trouble identifying which person in a classroom of 6 yr olds has the gun?

A teacher doesn't have time to patrol the school grounds like a guard can. I think the guard may be more of a preventive action while the carrying teacher would be reactive action.
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Poor reasoning. The shooter would not know which teachers are armed, presumably even as a student of the school and CERTAINLY as an outsider. If you think a uniformed guard in the open obstructs someone intent on mass murder, you're not thinking right. Shoot the guard first, end of defense.

A teacher(s) needn't patrol. When the shots start going off, maneuver and engage.

The objective cannot be prevention - that's impossible. The objective must be mitigation and immediate effective response. Like an ambush, return fire immediately or everyone dies.
 
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I'm guessing if this were a parent of a murdered child suing, you would all be saying they're trying to profit off their child's death.

either way I agree it's nothing to sue over since it doesn't hurt the school, just taxpayers

just hope the child never finds out about this
 
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ecofarm said:
Poor reasoning. The shooter would not know which teachers are armed, presumably even as a student of the school and CERTAINLY as an outsider. If you think a uniformed guard in the open obstructs someone intent on mass murder, you're not thinking right. Shoot the guard first, end of defense.

A teacher(s) needn't patrol. When the shots start going off, maneuver and engage.

The objective cannot be prevention - that's impossible. The objective must be mitigation and immediate effective response. Like an ambush, return fire immediately or everyone dies.
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Law enforcement experience, or just internet experience?
 
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